OAO Raw Thread for 8/22

[Guest Rrrsh]

I will post in the RAW thread 6 days before Unforgiven and on the Unforgiven thread. You will see, in time, it will make sense.

[Guest Rrrsh]

Having seen SS, the crowd was much, much more for Jericho than 70/30.  I dunno precisely the number of people who cheered for Jericho but I thought he had at least half the crowd.

 

Bear in mind Jericho was booked like a jobber and got that much of a reaction.  Things will prove interesting when a strongly booked Angle goes after Cena.

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A: Jericho got as much as a build as he would get any other time by the WWE. Still, he is consistantly the most cheered heel. So, the build seems to be irrelevant to him. Which is a whole diffrent arguement on why the fuck they dont push him to begin with.

 

B: The guys cheering for Jericho were all on the floor and were real loud. If you look at the crowd when Cena is being cheered, you can see the entire seats nearly cheering for him. But, the core Jericho guys were near mics, together and loud males. Kids and Woman, who all cheered for Cena, just dont have the same volume. Its alot like when Lesnar got cheered vs Rock. Remeber how fuckin shitty that face turn was for Lesnar? Its because that one night meant nothing.

[cabbageboy 0]

Have I said Cena needed to be turned heel? Not once.

 

My point about Jericho is that he's a jobber at this point. He's not a real contender, he did nothing to NOT be a jobber anymore, like go on a win streak or win a contender match or tourney. He just got a title shot for no real apparent reason and his only match was to beat up a ref. That isn't exactly a strong contender. And even with that shit booking, the man STILL got about half the crowd? Hell, the main point of booking such a bleh challenger is so that Cena would have the whole crowd on his side.

 

I suppose my main point is that legit over guys don't have half the crowd turn on them during a match. The Rock had it happen a few times but those were just bizarro crowds and the booing was for a variety of reasons.

[Open the Muggy Gate 0]

This Cade/Murdoch team looks intriguing to me. Hopefully they don't do as badly as the Heartthrobs have thus far...a Southern-style heel tag team could be a nice breath of fresh air on RAW.

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That's what I was thinking. Old school southern-style team... it's something the E could use well. Now let's pray to God they don't stereotype it up. I've been somewhat of a mark for Lance Cade anyways since he came around Jackson 4 years ago for a Memphis Championship Wrestling show and delivered a **** hardcore match that upstaged the main event (which was Kurt Angle vs. Chris Benoit!). And he did it against Joey Abs (yes, THAT Joey Abs). So I hope this goes well.

 

I have no clue if Trevor is related to the Murdoch's. I doubt it. I think I read somewhere he used to be in the Dupp family for a bit. I could be wrong though.

[Guest Catcher8C]

Trevor Murdoch was formerly Trevor Rhodes of WLW, a federation based out of mid-missouri. He was trained by Harley Race and his storyline there was that he was a carbon copy of early Dustin Rhodes. Not in a comedy way, just in the way he worked and his mannerisms, as well as his last name. He is a decent worker in the several times I've seen him.

 

I have no idea if he is related to any Murdochs, but I would imagine that if he was they would have played that up in WLW instead of Rhodes. No idea, though.

[SuperJerk 0]

Jericho's not the only one leaving Raw after tonight.

 

I gave those fuckers until tonight to put on something worth watching, and they've failed miserably.  I doubt tonight's show is gonna change my mind.

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Last night's show didn't change my mind. I've already seen Angle and Cena feud a couple of times on Smackdown, so I don't care to see it again. HBK vs. Chris Masters, and Flair vs. Carlito don't sound worth sticking around for either.

 

I'm done.

[AndrewTS 0]

Trevor Murdoch was formerly Trevor Rhodes of WLW, a federation based out of mid-missouri. He was trained by Harley Race and his storyline there was that he was a carbon copy of early Dustin Rhodes. Not in a comedy way, just in the way he worked and his mannerisms, as well as his last name. He is a decent worker in the several times I've seen him.

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I'd mark out hard for a team of Goldusts.

 

Although it looks like this gimmick is going to be the West Texas Rednecks minus Perfect. Although maybe Murdoch's good enough to bring the workrate and keep Cade's suckiness to a minimum as he improves.

[Guest Rrrsh]

Have I said Cena needed to be turned heel?  Not once. 

 

My point about Jericho is that he's a jobber at this point.  He's not a real contender, he did nothing to NOT be a jobber anymore, like go on a win streak or win a contender match or tourney.  He just got a title shot for no real apparent reason and his only match was to beat up a ref.  That isn't exactly a strong contender.  And even with that shit booking, the man STILL got about half the crowd?  Hell, the main point of booking such a bleh challenger is so that Cena would have the whole crowd on his side. 

 

I suppose my main point is that legit over guys don't have half the crowd turn on them during a match.  The Rock had it happen a few times but those were just bizarro crowds and the booing was for a variety of reasons.

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And my point that is Y2J always get cheered, always had. So Cena's overness cant be judged.

 

One could also argue this is just a freak crowd. Since, ya know, HE GETS CHEERED EVERYWHERE ELSE.

[Guest Rrrsh]

Jericho's not the only one leaving Raw after tonight.

 

I gave those fuckers until tonight to put on something worth watching, and they've failed miserably.  I doubt tonight's show is gonna change my mind.

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Last night's show didn't change my mind. I've already seen Angle and Cena feud a couple of times on Smackdown, so I don't care to see it again. HBK vs. Chris Masters, and Flair vs. Carlito don't sound worth sticking around for either.

 

I'm done.

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Who cares.

[Guest JMA]

I'm not interested in Flair vs. Carlito either. Hell, I'm not interested in Flair feuding with ANYONE. He needs to retire ASAP.

[Guest Brian]

Here's what I figured happened with Hardy:

 

Hardy knew what he was doing the whole time, playing everyone for the shoot, and the WWE got pissed about it. They got pissed because they hate the IWC and they hate having to recognize the real world and how their fans are reacting.

 

So when they go to Hardy, they have a plan. They figure they can keep him strong in the short-term, than job him out and get their money out of us. Well, Hardy probably was a little more shrewd in negotiations, and when they signed him, he didn't get a jobber contract. He's got guaranteed money coming. So they want him to quit. So they'll job him out, and job him out, and humiliate him until they can get rid of him.

 

Otherwise, I have no clue. Like I said earlier, I've pretty much given up.

[RedJed 0]

Here's what I figured happened with Hardy:

 

Hardy knew what he was doing the whole time, playing everyone for the shoot, and the WWE got pissed about it. They got pissed because they hate the IWC and they hate having to recognize the real world and how their fans are reacting.

 

So when they go to Hardy, they have a plan. They figure they can keep him strong in the short-term, than job him out and get their money out of us. Well, Hardy probably was a little more shrewd in negotiations, and when they signed him, he didn't get a jobber contract. He's got guaranteed money coming. So they want him to quit. So they'll job him out, and job him out, and humiliate him until they can get rid of him.

 

Otherwise, I have no clue. Like I said earlier, I've pretty much given up.

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That very well might be whats happening. I know TNA was offering Hardy something pretty high for a contract so maybe Vince did really have to throw down a huge offer back to him. That would possibly explain some of this shit lately.

 

Almost like a situation, for example - Mark Henry, but blatantly misused a million times more.

[Guest Brian]

Here's what I figured happened with Hardy:

 

Hardy knew what he was doing the whole time, playing everyone for the shoot, and the WWE got pissed about it. They got pissed because they hate the IWC and they hate having to recognize the real world and how their fans are reacting.

 

So when they go to Hardy, they have a plan. They figure they can keep him strong in the short-term, than job him out and get their money out of us. Well, Hardy probably was a little more shrewd in negotiations, and when they signed him, he didn't get a jobber contract. He's got guaranteed money coming. So they want him to quit. So they'll job him out, and job him out, and humiliate him until they can get rid of him.

 

Otherwise, I have no clue. Like I said earlier, I've pretty much given up.

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That very well might be whats happening. I know TNA was offering Hardy something pretty high for a contract so maybe Vince did really have to throw down a huge offer back to him. That would possibly explain some of this shit lately.

 

Almost like a situation, for example - Mark Henry, but blatantly misused a million times more.

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I know it's hard to believe that the booking team did something intentionally rather than just fucked everything up like they usually do, but it just feels like with all the promos, the match, and now this, that they never meant to push Hardy at all.

[SuperJerk 0]

Jericho's not the only one leaving Raw after tonight.

 

I gave those fuckers until tonight to put on something worth watching, and they've failed miserably.  I doubt tonight's show is gonna change my mind.

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Last night's show didn't change my mind. I've already seen Angle and Cena feud a couple of times on Smackdown, so I don't care to see it again. HBK vs. Chris Masters, and Flair vs. Carlito don't sound worth sticking around for either.

 

I'm done.

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Who cares.

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"I do?"