Hurricane Katrina

[CheesalaIsGood]

In that case, Joe McCarthy trumps all

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Definitly. Senator Joe ranks up their with other Wisconsin homeboys like Jeff Dahmer and Ed Gein. Its just too bad his liver exploded.

 

Czech, etc...How 'bout we agree to move all the Kanye discussion to the thread in the music folder?

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Good idea. Kudos.

[The Czech Republic]

A natural disater takes place and this clown wants to bitch about a nothing nobody like Kanye West. "Shut the fuck up" in this regard is INDEED a strong counter-arguement.

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Let's try "a natural disater takes place and this clown wants to bitch about George Bush. "Shut the fuck up" in this regard is INDEED a strong counter-arguement." Hey how about that?

[CheesalaIsGood]

Was *I* bitching about George Bush?

[The Czech Republic]

I'm referring to Kanye West, whom I wanted to shut the fuck up.

[Guest]

Was *I* bitching about George Bush?

 

I don't think so, which is a fucking shock.

[CheesalaIsGood]

You know you wuold THINK that when something like this happens people concerns would be the rescue efforts and how the survivors are. Instead do we want to waste time being all up in arms over what a SINGER said or how the guy in CHARGE of that resuce effort is performing?

[The Czech Republic]

Well, now all of a sudden the liberals are realizing that there was a natural disaster, not a human disaster, so whhhhhyyyyyy are we talking about peeeeeeople? Took long enough. Out of hypotheses to blame it on Bush?

[SuperJerk]

I don't see anything wrong with debunking myths about why the government was slow to respond to the disaster. Pointing out the obvious holes in Kayne West's comments on this topic should be acceptable conversation, but attacking him (or Bush) personally is irrelevant.

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I have now blocked every aimname in this thread. Carry on.

[CheesalaIsGood]

Well, now all of a sudden the liberals are realizing that there was a natural  disaster, not a human disaster, so whhhhhyyyyyy are we talking about peeeeeeople? Took long enough. Out of hypotheses to blame it on Bush?

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Oh cry me a river. "The Liberals" aren't the issue here. Apparently, you would like to make your hurt feelings the issue. Take it to to HD or the music folder... or better yet LSD and cry about it there.

 

Why are you splitting hairs on whether this is a human OR a natural disaster? It is both and continues to be BOTH. Perhaps you must in order to keep you politcal point of view intact. To each their own.

[SuperJerk]

Well, now all of a sudden the liberals are realizing that there was a natural  disaster, not a human disaster, so whhhhhyyyyyy are we talking about peeeeeeople? Took long enough. Out of hypotheses to blame it on Bush?

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You don't seem to comprehend that people are criticizing the government for what happened BEFORE AND AFTER the natural disaster. We cannot control the weather, but we can control how we prepare for it, and how we react to it when it has gone.

[The Czech Republic]

I don't see anything wrong with debunking myths about why the government was slow to respond to the disaster.  Pointing out the obvious holes in Kayne West's comments on this topic should be acceptable conversation, but attacking him personally is irrelevant.

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I don't think calling him out on being an attention whore at a bad time is really an ad hominem attack. I'd be pissed at any musician for this stunt, because now in reference to the telethon incident, he's "Kanye West, whose new album just hit stores this past week."

 

And sorry that I don't understand the sacred bond of the black people. But when I apply his comments to anyone but blacks, it's a ridiculous scenario. It just is.

[The Czech Republic]

I have now blocked every aimname in this thread.  Carry on.

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This was important to know.

[Da Maintenance Man]

I don't see anything wrong with debunking myths about why the government was slow to respond to the disaster.  Pointing out the obvious holes in Kayne West's comments on this topic should be acceptable conversation, but attacking him personally is irrelevant.

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I don't think calling him out on being an attention whore at a bad time is really an ad hominem attack. I'd be pissed at any musician for this stunt, because now in reference to the telethon incident, he's "Kanye West, whose new album just hit stores this past week."

 

And sorry that I don't understand the sacred bond of the black people. But when I apply his comments to anyone but blacks, it's a ridiculous scenario. It just is.

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Here it is people...the difference between minorities & whites...right before your eyes.

[SuperJerk]

I don't see anything wrong with debunking myths about why the government was slow to respond to the disaster.  Pointing out the obvious holes in Kayne West's comments on this topic should be acceptable conversation, but attacking him personally is irrelevant.

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I don't think calling him out on being an attention whore at a bad time is really an ad hominem attack. I'd be pissed at any musician for this stunt, because now in reference to the telethon incident, he's "Kanye West, whose new album just hit stores this past week."

 

I agree Kayne West is an idiot, I'm just not obsessing over it and taking the criticism beyond "Hey, that was a dumb thing to say, but who cares?"

 

And sorry that I don't understand the sacred bond of the black people. But when I apply his comments to anyone but blacks, it's a ridiculous scenario. It just is.

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So no other American ethnic group has been known to express a common cultural bond?

 

I guess you've never heard of Native Americans. Or Mexicans. Or Puerto Ricans. Or Italians. Or Jews. Or the Irish.

[The Czech Republic]

We've given more shit to Damaramu for saying "we" about OU's football team.

Who thought I'd go to bat for Damaramu.

[Guest]

Here it is people...the difference between minorities & whites...right before your eyes.

 

That you are better than us? Or that you guys can bond together and say my people when someone like Kanye has no relation to them other than the color of his skin. If a white celebrity were to say this during a telethon about the disaster with reference to the situation in Alabama, he would be crucified in the media. Please enlighten me.

[The Czech Republic]

So no other American ethnic group has been known to express a common cultural bond?

 

I guess you've never heard of Native Americans.  Or Mexicans.  Or Puerto Ricans.  Or Italians.  Or Jews.  Or the Irish.

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I really can't picture an Irishman, or a Mexican, or a Jew standing in a Manhattan studio saying "the Navy is coming to kill us." If this was Galveston, Texas, would George Lopez say "they're gonna shoot my people"?

[SuperJerk]

So no other American ethnic group has been known to express a common cultural bond?

 

I guess you've never heard of Native Americans.  Or Mexicans.  Or Puerto Ricans.  Or Italians.  Or Jews.  Or the Irish.

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I really can't picture an Irishman, or a Mexican, or a Jew standing in a Manhattan studio saying "the Navy is coming to kill us."

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1. You must admit they DO seem to have this "sacred bond" you don't understand. That's what I was actually explaining to you. Please try to keep up.

 

2. I'm not aware that a black person said "the Navy is coming to kill us" in a Manhattan studio either, so your point is moot.

[Big Ol' Smitty]

I guess you've never heard of Native Americans.  Or Mexicans.  Or Puerto Ricans.  Or Italians.  Or Jews.  Or the Irish.

 

Or Christians. Or Muslims. Or homosexuals. Or Catholics. Or Evangelicals...

[Da Maintenance Man]

Here it is people...the difference between minorities & whites...right before your eyes.

 

That you are better than us? Or that you guys can bond together and say my people when someone like Kanye has no relation to them other than the color of his skin. If a white celebrity were to say this during a telethon about the disaster with reference to the situation in Alabama, he would be crucified in the media. Please enlighten me.

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All I can tell you is to study up on African American history/culture. Try & go back to slavery days when blacks were being raped, shot, & hung on trees in front of each other. It would be hard for AAs to NOT form a common bond with each other after that.

[Guest]

Here it is people...the difference between minorities & whites...right before your eyes.

 

That you are better than us? Or that you guys can bond together and say my people when someone like Kanye has no relation to them other than the color of his skin. If a white celebrity were to say this during a telethon about the disaster with reference to the situation in Alabama, he would be crucified in the media. Please enlighten me.

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All I can tell you is to study up on African American history/culture. Try & go back to slavery days when blacks were being raped, shot, & hung on trees in front of each other. It would be hard for AAs to NOT form a common bond with each other after that.

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I know my stuff, that's not the issue. That has jack shit to do with current African-Americans, they haven't been hung on trees in front of each other, they haven't been sent over here on ships, and they aren't being made to stand in a field and pick for an asshole slaveowner. I want to know the current bond, because Kanye has no connections to the African-Americans that are still in New Orleans and the ones that are sitting in the Astrodome today after this disaster, and for him to say that the military is being sent in to kill "us" is asinine.

[The Czech Republic]

I want to know the current bond, because Kanye has no connections to the African-Americans that are still in New Orleans and the ones that are sitting in the Astrodome today after this disaster, and for him to say that the military is being sent in to kill "us" is asinine.

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But we don't understand, they have bonds, bonds that are deeper than...y'know, everything that separates him from them.

[EricMM]

I want people to admit that if any white person tried to ask for help for another white person because they were WHITE they would be called racist for saying so.

 

Any cracker who utters the phrase, "we need to help our people" is just fucked. I mean christ almighty, what if Bush had said that?

[Guest]

But we don't understand, they have bonds, bonds that are deeper than...y'know, everything that separates him from them.

 

I want people to admit that if any white person tried to ask for help for another white person because they were WHITE they would be called racist for saying so.

 

Any cracker who utters the phrase, "we need to help our people" is just fucked. I mean christ almighty, what if Bush had said that?

 

At least someone agrees with me.

[SuperJerk]

Here it is people...the difference between minorities & whites...right before your eyes.

 

That you are better than us? Or that you guys can bond together and say my people when someone like Kanye has no relation to them other than the color of his skin. If a white celebrity were to say this during a telethon about the disaster with reference to the situation in Alabama, he would be crucified in the media. Please enlighten me.

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All I can tell you is to study up on African American history/culture. Try & go back to slavery days when blacks were being raped, shot, & hung on trees in front of each other. It would be hard for AAs to NOT form a common bond with each other after that.

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I know my stuff, that's not the issue. That has jack shit to do with current African-Americans, they haven't been hung on trees in front of each other, they haven't been sent over here on ships, and they aren't being made to stand in a field and pick for an asshole slaveowner. I want to know the current bond, because Kanye has no connections to the African-Americans that are still in New Orleans and the ones that are sitting in the Astrodome today after this disaster, and for him to say that the military is being sent in to kill "us" is asinine.

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Do you not get that a shared cultural history is part of a cultural bond?

 

Do you not understand that just because Kayne West is rich and famous NOW, he grew up part of that African-American culture that includes a history of slavery, rape, torture, lynching, housing discrimination, job discrimination, racial profiling, and stereotyping?

 

Don't you realize that common CURRENT problems, such as housing discrimination, job discrimination, racial profiling, and stereotyping can form a bond amongst its current victims?

[Big Ol' Smitty]

and for him to say that the military is being sent in to kill "us" is asinine.

 

It was probably a reference to all the "shoot the looters" talk that was going on the past few days.

 

Announcing the arrival of 300 Arkansas National Guard troops in New Orleans fresh from service in Iraq, Blanco said, "these troops are battle-tested. They have M-16s and are locked and loaded." "These troops know how to shoot and kill and I expect they will," she said.

 

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/monacharen/welcome.shtml

 

http://boortz.com/nuze/200508/08312005.html

[EricMM]

It was probably in reference to the fact that they are going to shoot at the people who are shooting at the rescuers.

 

Who are, given the pre-disaster make up NO, probably black.

 

So, Kanye seems to be mad that they're going to shoot black people.

 

Nevermind that these black people are causing people to die DIRECTLY.

[SuperJerk]

I want people to admit that if any white person tried to ask for help for another white person because they were WHITE they would be called racist for saying so.

 

Any cracker who utters the phrase, "we need to help our people" is just fucked.  I mean christ almighty, what if Bush had said that?

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That's because white people are not a discriminated against subculture.

[Guest]

But they are a race.