Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted October 9, 2005 I knew Cal was kind of overrated, but they played better than even I expected. .. it'll be an even better day when USC goes down... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2005 I wouldn't mind seeing USC and UCLA both being undefeated going into the finale. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted October 9, 2005 Make that 47-40 on a last second Maurice Drew TD run. Drew's a strong little guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2005 Fuck Cal. I bet on them as a 1 1/2 point underdog, and then they just have to give up the garbage touchdown as time expires to make me lose. I mean they were up 13 with 8:00 left, and then they can't even win my teaser bet at +6? Fuck them. Fuck them in their dirty asses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixrising 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2005 5-0 BABY!!!!!!!! Haven't been this much excited about UCLA football in a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted October 9, 2005 I knew I ragged on the guy before the season, but Drew Olson's turned into the fuckin MAN. His leadership leading them to back-to-back comeback wins has been incredible. Best QB I've seen at UCLA since McNown, probably better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 9, 2005 PSU is undefeated. If anybody wants further proof that the Big 10 is an extremely overrated conference, just remember that a team that would struggle to be .500 in a real conference is undefeated in that joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2005 They had freshmen step up, and they're a lot better than they were last year. What's hard to understand about that? Before the season, a lot of people (not including myself) though Alabama might struggle to stay above .500. Well, they're 5-0 after bitch-slapping the mighty Gators by 30 points. I'm sure there were people who thought UCLA would be struggling to stay above .500. Now, after beating Cal, they're pretty much guaranteed to get to 9-0 going into the last two weeks of the season. Having a surprise team do well, and pick up a couple of big early wins is indicative of nothing other than the great variance present in college football. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2005 Nebraska's bubble finally burst Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 9, 2005 They had freshmen step up, and they're a lot better than they were last year. What's hard to understand about that? Before the season, a lot of people (not including myself) though Alabama might struggle to stay above .500. Well, they're 5-0 after bitch-slapping the mighty Gators by 30 points. I'm sure there were people who thought UCLA would be struggling to stay above .500. Now, after beating Cal, they're pretty much guaranteed to get to 9-0 going into the last two weeks of the season. Having a surprise team do well, and pick up a couple of big early wins is indicative of nothing other than the great variance present in college football. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Considering that NOBODY in the Big 10 is all that impressive --- yet they never lack for ranked teams --- the media's love affair with that piddling conference is mind-boggling. Hell, the press had fucking MICHIGAN in the top 5 at one point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2005 U of L put an absolute assrape on UNC today 69-14. You know, after the past two weeks I am still in shock at that South Florida game. What the fuck happened there? Anyway, next week is the definition of must win at WVU. No way should U of L start the shitty Big East at 0-2. Win there and running the table and finishing 10-1 looks feasible, and if that happens the USF result will probably go down and the single weirdest game result of the year. As far as Penn St. goes, hell right now I'd take them over most of the SEC aside from Georgia and maybe Bama. Anyone wanting to take Notre Dame next week over USC? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2005 Arizona State has quickly gone from a team that you could say if they get a couple of breaks their way against LSU and USC they are a national title contender to helllllllooooo Las Vegas Bowl in a real hurry as they are about to lose to Oregon. The conference has been jumbled after today. Figured ASU and Cal were definently better than UCLA and Oregon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Y2DAYDAY Report post Posted October 9, 2005 Being from western PA and being a Pitt fan who hates Penn State, nothing would please me more than for Penn State to win out, USC to win out, and for USC to slaughter PSU in the National Championship game. Of course, Penn State won't win out and though they have a good defense, if they were in the SEC, they'd have a losing record probably(maybe 3-3). BTW, SC won't lose to UCLA. Or Cal. Or Notre Dame. Or anybody for at least 10 months. They are beatable but won't be beaten, if that makes any sense. I hate nothing more than PSU fan boys, especially the diehards from mid-PA that live only for PSU football, and the people that think they are better than everybody else because they go to PSU or are fans of Penn State football. My boy plays for Michigan so they better beat down PSU next week. Back to business, UCLA looks tough. ND is pretty good. But they won't beat USC. When your running back is #21, running for 200 yards a game and no one knows his name except for the diehards, that is a sign of a truly stacked offense. OSU is a big disappoinment this year based on expectations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 9, 2005 As far as Penn St. goes, hell right now I'd take them over most of the SEC aside from Georgia and maybe Bama.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> The list of SEC teams that would easily handle them: Georgia Florida Tennessee LSU Alabama Auburn In other words, half of the SEC would beat them handidly (2 TD's, minimum). I won't get into the ACC teams that would roll them. Hell, they wouldn't exactly be elite in the Big 12 or PAC-10. S. Carolina would have an outside shot at them, as well. They are not that good. Oh, and I can't see USC tripping up this season before the national title game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted October 9, 2005 I'll be the first to take Notre Dame over SC. The Trojans have looked rather average at times, before coming back in a flurry to kick ass in the second half. It'll be interesting also for the coaching matchup, as it'll be former New England head coach Pete Carroll against former New England offensive coordinator Charlie Weis. Between the two, I just might put my money on Weis, but SC has the defense that noone else on their schedule has. Which is the main reason I fear the UCLA-USC game this year, but I have faith in Drew Olson's word when he said he wanted to take L.A. back for the Bruins. I never really saw SC take over, but then again I haven't lived there for about a year and a half now, so who knows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2005 What a mess. I hate when a team plays better on the road than at home. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2005 Let me take a look at the SEC/Penn St. thing that Mike mentioned: Georgia--Yeah, they look like one of the two best in the SEC and could likely beat Penn St. home or away. Florida--I might have said they would beat Penn St. until Bama completely exposed them. If this one was at Happy Valley, PSU wins...in the Swamp, Gators. Tennessee--Tennessee is shitty. I've seen little about this team that screams out "This is a top level team." LSU--They LOST to that bleh Tenn. team after being up 24-7. I don't think we'll know how good or bad LSU is this whole season due to Katrina though, so this one is a ?. Alabama--I think Bama would likely beat Penn St., yes. Auburn--Auburn isn't near the team they were last year. As far as South Carolina goes....dude, they were tied with UK until UK's RB decided to start fumbling every possession yesterday. The Gamecocks aren't much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2005 Great win last night for PSU. Michigan will be tough next week in Ann Arbor since Michigan has to win or they might be looking at an under .500 season, but if PSU gets out of there with a win, I think 9-2 or 10-1 is a real possibility. I don't know about anyone else but I love that top traditional programs (Penn State, Alabama, Notre Dame, USC, Texas) are having great years. Makes college football more fun for me as a fan. I think if PSU wins the Big Ten this year, Joe might decide to finally call it quits... Tennessee--Tennessee is shitty. I've seen little about this team that screams out "This is a top level team." I think there's a good chance of Tennessee being 7-4 this year, with the Alabama and Notre Dame games still coming up for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Urban Warfare 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2005 Just imagine if LSU didn't self destruct against UT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 9, 2005 Let me take a look at the SEC/Penn St. thing that Mike mentioned: Georgia--Yeah, they look like one of the two best in the SEC and could likely beat Penn St. home or away. Florida--I might have said they would beat Penn St. until Bama completely exposed them. If this one was at Happy Valley, PSU wins...in the Swamp, Gators. PSU isn't in Alabama's caliber at all. Florida would run and pass roughshod over them. Tennessee--Tennessee is shitty. I've seen little about this team that screams out "This is a top level team." There is not a single Big 10 team I'd give a shot at beating Tennessee. Not one. LSU--They LOST to that bleh Tenn. team after being up 24-7. I don't think we'll know how good or bad LSU is this whole season due to Katrina though, so this one is a ?. I can say LSU would be good enough to win the Big 10. They won't win the SEC West, though, because it's loaded. Alabama--I think Bama would likely beat Penn St., yes. Auburn--Auburn isn't near the team they were last year. They don't need to be. Again, PSU is not all that good and if they were in a real conference, they'd be, at best, .500. As far as South Carolina goes....dude, they were tied with UK until UK's RB decided to start fumbling every possession yesterday. The Gamecocks aren't much. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Gamecocks are terrible. Spurrier lacks the horses. I'd STILL give them a shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted October 9, 2005 The new polls are out: AP Top 25: 1. USC (58) 5-0 1618 1 2. Texas (7) 5-0 1565 2 3. Virginia Tech 6-0 1493 3 4. Florida State 5-0 1393 4 5. Georgia 5-0 1389 5 6. Alabama 5-0 1244 7 7. Miami 4-1 1205 9 8. Penn State 6-0 1096 16 9. Notre Dame 4-1 1058 12 10. LSU 3-1 1057 11 11. Florida 5-1 935 13 12. UCLA 5-0 889 20 13. Texas Tech 5-0 794 15 14. Boston College 5-1 656 18 15. Ohio State 3-2 641 6 16. Michigan State 4-1 581 19 17. Tennessee 3-2 538 8 18. California 5-1 537 10 19. Louisville 4-1 461 23 20. Oregon 5-1 456 25 21. Auburn 4-1 441 22 22. Minnesota 5-1 321 NR 23. Wisconsin 5-1 241 14 24. Colorado 4-1 222 NR 25. TCU 5-1 181 NR Coaches Poll: 1. USC (57) 5-0 1544 1 2. Texas (4) 5-0 1488 2 3. Virginia Tech (1) 6-0 1425 3 4. Georgia 5-0 1348 4 5. Florida State 5-0 1290 5 6. Miami 4-1 1187 8 7. Alabama 5-0 1156 10 8. LSU 3-1 1049 11 9. Notre Dame 4-1 998 12 10. Penn State 6-0 942 18 11. Texas Tech 5-0 918 13 12. UCLA 5-0 862 16 13. Florida 5-1 840 15 14. Boston College 5-1 657 17 15. Ohio State 3-2 572 6 16. California 5-1 563 9 17. Michigan State 4-1 540 19 18. Tennessee 3-2 473 7 19. Louisville 4-1 460 22 20. Auburn 4-1 444 21 21. Oregon 5-1 311 NR 22. Minnesota 5-1 303 NR 23. Wisconsin 5-1 293 14 24. Colorado 4-1 184 NR 25. West Virginia 5-1 91 NR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 9, 2005 PSU is top 10? That is an epic joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ANKLELOCK 0 Report post Posted October 9, 2005 Tennessee is not "shitty". They are slightly disappointing. You have to remember that they just played 3 top 5(at the time) teams in 4 weeks and 3 games in 13 days, the third of which was against a team that had two weeks off. NO team in the country has had a schedule like that this year. They were worn out. They will get a much deserved rest this week before playing Bama, which should be a rivalry game filled with more hate than any in recent college football history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted October 10, 2005 Harris Poll 1. USC 2. Texas 3. Virginia Tech 4. Georgia 5. Florida State 6. Alabama 7. Miami 8. Notre Dame 9. Penn State 10. LSU 11. UCLA 12. Florida 13. Texas Tech 14. Boston College 15. Michigan State 16. California 17. Ohio State 18. Auburn 19. Louisville 20. Oregon 21. Tennessee 22. Minnesota 23. Wisconsin 24. Colorado 25. West Virginia Dropped Out: Arizona State, Michigan, Georgia Tech, Nebraska 26. Arizona State 27. TCU 28. Nebraska 29. Georgia Tech 30. Fresno State 31. Michigan 32. Virginia 33. Northwestern 34. Maryland 35. Iowa State 36. South Florida 37. Texas A&M 38t. Baylor 38t. Connecticut 38t. Kansas State 38t. Toledo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted October 10, 2005 Texas Tech at #11, that's a joke. The only team with a pulse that they've played all year is Nebraska, and if that LB hadn't fumbled, they would have lost that game. The Nittany Lions are completely legitimate. I really don't get why you hate Penn State so much, Mike. They beat an above average South Florida squad in their opener, beat a solid Northwestern team on the road, destroyed an otherwise undefeated Minnesota team, and then beat Ohio State. They've accomplished more than almost any team in the country, and at least at this point, they look like the class of the Big Ten. Other than the fact that SEC teams are so much better than everyone else that they should have six teams in the Top Ten, give me justification for who should be ahead of Penn State right now. Looking at the coaches poll, not only can I not justify raising any of the lower ranked teams above Penn State, I can't even imagine how they justify having Penn State behind Notre Dame. At this point of the season, Notre Dame is basically a Big Ten team, and they lost to Michigan State at home. Meanwhile, the Nittany Lions have played just as tough of a schedue and are currently undefeated. The Sagarin rankings are unbiased and look only at who teams have played, and how well they did against each other. They have Penn State at #5, LSU the highest ranked SEC team at #7, and Tennessee all the way down at #29. Your idea that PSU is not a top-level football team is just completely unfounded. This isn't to say that they're likely to go to the Rose Bowl (they're not) or that they couldn't easily lose to Michigan next week (they could). All I'm saying is at this point in the season, given what they've accomplished, it would be sheer lunacy not to rank Penn State in the Top Ten. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 10, 2005 Texas Tech at #11, that's a joke. The only team with a pulse that they've played all year is Nebraska, and if that LB hadn't fumbled, they would have lost that game. The Nittany Lions are completely legitimate. I really don't get why you hate Penn State so much, Mike. They beat an above average South Florida squad in their opener, beat a solid Northwestern team on the road, destroyed an otherwise undefeated Minnesota team, and then beat Ohio State. They've accomplished more than almost any team in the country, and at least at this point, they look like the class of the Big Ten. Other than the fact that SEC teams are so much better than everyone else that they should have six teams in the Top Ten, give me justification for who should be ahead of Penn State right now. I'll give you a quick list of teams who could beat PSU 7 times out of 10. In no particular order. Miami FSU Virginia Tech Tennessee Alabama USC Florida Georgia LSU Auburn UCLA Texas Texas Tech Arizona State BC Oregon Add into that mix the utter replacability of any Big 10 team (funny, their "big win" always seems to come against other Big 10 teams who haven't beaten anybody, either) and you could have PSU also losing to Michigan, MSU, OSU, etc. The Sagarin rankings have been sketchy since they were first introduced into the whole picture. Tennessee #29? Jesus Christ, that is friggin' insanity. At this point, NOBODY in the Big 10 warrants much above a spot at #20. Not one single team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted October 10, 2005 OK, that list just shows that you don't know much about college football right now. Texas Tech should have lost to Nebraska. Other than that, the best team, they've played all year is Kansas, and they beat them by 13 at home. Arizona State has lost three home games this year, with their best win being either at Oregon State or home against Northwestern. I certainly hope your not advocating ranking either of them over Penn State. Even looking at UCLA, their only decent win this season was over Cal at home. Cal's so untested that their best win was a 15 point home win over Illinois, probably the worst team in the Big Ten. You say that the Big Ten teams haven't beaten anybody, but really what big non-conference wins does the SEC have. Just looking through schedules quick, here's what some notable SEC teams have done in non-conference play (with conference records): Alabama (3-0): Beat Middle Tennessee State and Southern Miss Georgia (3-0): Beat Boise State and Louisiana Monroe Auburn (2-0): Lost to Georgia Tech at home before beating Ball State and Western Kentucky Florida (3-1): Beat Wyoming and La. Tech Vanderblit (2-1): Beat Wake Forest and Richmond before losing to Middle Tennessee State LSU (2-1): Beat Arizona State by 4 Tennessee (2-2): Beat UAB by 7 And that's the best of the best. Three games against BCS teams for the seven teams who have winning records in conference. Other than Arizona State, there isn't one win over a Top 40 team. Now, let's look at the bottom portion of the conference: South Carolina: Beat Central Florida and Troy Kentucky: Lost to Louisville, beat Idaho State by 12, lost to Indiana by 24 Mississippi: Beat Memphis, lost to Wyoming, beat the Citadel Arkansas: Beat Missouri State, lost to USC, beat La. Monroe Mississippi State: Beat Murray State and Tulane Wow, so on a whole, that leaves the SEC with a record of 2-4 against teams from BCS conferences. Wow, that really shows how they proved themselves by picking up big OOC victories, doesn't it. Although to be fair, SEC member schools did split with Wyoming and Middle Tennessee State. Now, I'm not doing this to say the SEC is a bad football conference. It's not. It's probably the second best in the country behind the ACC. The point is that teams don't play a lot of tough non-conference games and dismissing the entire Big Ten due to it as a matter of course, is nothing if not ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 10, 2005 The Big 10 plays nobodies every year, go to the bowls, and proceed to suck it up in them every year. This isn't an ISOLATED incident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted October 10, 2005 I don't care about the history of Big Ten scheduling practices. I'm just talking about which football teams are good right now. Last year was a definite down year for the conference, and their bowl record was still 3-3, so saying that they're destined to do terrible in the bowl season makes no sense whatsoever. The point was that the Big Ten is just as legitimate as most BCS conferences, (and much more so than the Big XII or Big East), so saying that they shouldn't have any teams ranked in the Top 20 (or Top 10 for that matter) is just silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 10, 2005 There is nobody who has looked impressive enough to make me think they have a prayer against the top half of the SEC or the top half of the ACC. And when you have to pull the moribund Big East out to defend a conference, you don't have a good conference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
