More news on the TNA 2 Hour Special

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What we know about the prime time special is it will have a Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett NWA title match rematch, a rematch of Sunday's Ultimate X with Petey Williams vs. Chris Sabin vs. Matt Bentley and Team 3-D vs. Team Canada. The original plan for Samoa Joe vs. Sabin was changed due to wanting to rematch Sunday's Ultimate X because of the match ending early and the screwed up finish.

 

 

Thoughts? Complaints? Issues?

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It's exactly what I thought would happen, and I have no problem with it at all. I just hope to God that they actually try to fix that one huge flaw in the Ultimate X match.

 

It shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

 

I don't see how they can have JJ win the title back right now either. In my eyes, Rhino must either win clean or someone should distract JJ (Monty, Raven, etc...) which leads to Rhino winning. After all that Rhino went through on the PPV, it wouldn't make a lick of sense to see him drop the title, even if JJ and a ton of other people cheat.

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If they fix the problem with this Ultimate X match...

 

I want one of the competitors to do either a 450 or a Shooting Star Press off the cables.

 

Sure Daniels did his Best Moonsault Ever, but I missed it when it happened.

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I'm actually glad that Team 3-D will face Team Canada as opposed to the obvious AMW match. It also depends on which members of Team Canada they face. Petey will be in Ultimate X, which leaves Roode, Young, and A-1. Roode is very underrated and Young 0wns because he did a Flair flop from the apron to the floor and bumps like no one's business. A-1 is pretty much worthless, so yeah, I want Roode and Young.

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A good follow-up show with logical progression. I can't imagine Rhino/JJ ending well, though. I think a "Keep the title safe" storyline is better than a "we need the to get the title away from them" at this point, so JJ winning would really suck. A Ultimate X match on TV is something that I think would attract someone who was just flipping through the channels and then sees two guys hanging there and then some crazy move happens. The key is putting it on at the right time, so they can attract the most viewers and follow it up with something that will keep the audience. Having the match again so close to the PPV risks desensitizing viewers, but I don't think that's something they should worry about when they're trying to build the audience. Dudleys/Team Canada SCREAMS for a spot in the match where it breaks down, 3LK with Kip come down, and it ends up with the Dudleys and NAOs in the ring back-to-back, they turn around and go face to face and just look at each other, and before anything could happen Konnan and Killings come in and put the focus back on fighting team canada. It's one of those spots that just places the thought in peoples minds, and it doesn't have to be paid off for a while because it wasn't anything direct. Just a hint.

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I don't see how they can have JJ win the title back right now either. In my eyes, Rhino must either win clean or someone should distract JJ (Monty, Raven, etc...) which leads to Rhino winning. After all that Rhino went through on the PPV, it wouldn't make a lick of sense to see him drop the title, even if JJ and a ton of other people cheat.

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I totally agree, although I fear Jarrett is going to get the belt back again, since the plan was never to give it to Rhino in the first place. I hope TNA brass consider the other option though, in putting Rhino over and keeping the belt off Jarrett now for a looooong time, as this is just too good of a potential opportunity to pass up with Rhino defending the belt against some random main event level talent like Abyss, etc, and then long term against Brown. Jarrett/Raven is inevitable as well, but would much rather have that match done without the belt at stake particularly.

 

Wonder what happened to the X division trios match as was reported, hope thats still on in some capacity. Maybe they will also go with Styles/Joe for the title? Or else Daniels/Joe would even be fine, and Styles v. Hardy or something like that.

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When is this special again?

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When is this special again?

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Week from tomorrow at 9pm ET I believe. Possibly 8pm.

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I'm actually glad that Team 3-D will face Team Canada as opposed to the obvious AMW match.

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Oh I'm right there with you on that. Not only does it make sense for Team 3-D to face Team Canada right now, but they don't need to just hand the titles over to Team 3-D right now, and they don't need to have them get beat down again so soon already again either. I could see something being set up where AMW keeps putting off the title match against 3-D, and not actually taking place on down the road, maybe for a few months.

 

Having the match again so close to the PPV risks desensitizing viewers, but I don't think that's something they should worry about when they're trying to build the audience.

 

I agree with you, which is something I almost never do in the WWE folder but in here you are like a different poster (with good reason I suppose). Since they had an Ultimate X match at the PPV, and now one in just a week or so on the 2 hour special, I think they should hold off on booking another one of those matches for quite some time.

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According to my TV Guide it's next Thursday, 10 PM EST.

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On the Spike TV website, it says that it's on Thu, November 3 @ 9:00 PM.

 

Ever since the show was first reported, I've been thinking that the first hour would be going head to head with the last hour of SD.

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Well, the Observer site only lists 3 matches (U-X, NWA title, tag match) so I'm banking on at least 2-3 more matches on the show.

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Surely one of those will include Shark Boy.

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I'm actually glad that Team 3-D will face Team Canada as opposed to the obvious AMW match.

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Oh I'm right there with you on that. Not only does it make sense for Team 3-D to face Team Canada right now, but they don't need to just hand the titles over to Team 3-D right now, and they don't need to have them get beat down again so soon already again either. I could see something being set up where AMW keeps putting off the title match against 3-D, and not actually taking place on down the road, maybe for a few months.

 

Having the match again so close to the PPV risks desensitizing viewers, but I don't think that's something they should worry about when they're trying to build the audience.

 

I agree with you, which is something I almost never do in the WWE folder but in here you are like a different poster (with good reason I suppose). Since they had an Ultimate X match at the PPV, and now one in just a week or so on the 2 hour special, I think they should hold off on booking another one of those matches for quite some time.

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I agree in the sense that I believe they were planning a Ultimate X match for the special even before BFG (Tenay: "Ultimate X is coming to Spike TV")...geez, less than 2 weeks apart.

 

However, with the BFG match cut short due to circumstances beyond their control, I would have done the same thing and put the rematch here.

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So far it looks great. I'd rather have BFG suck a little and the 2 Hour Special be kick ass than the other way around. More people will watch the Special, so I see this as a chance for TNA to redeem itself from BFG.

 

JJ vs. Rhino: Good idea, but Rhino needs to go over CLEAN. TNA's constant problem has been that the title matches always end screwy (mostly b/c that's how JJ matches are always booked). We need to know what Raven and Monty think about this, and maybe they should get a little involved, but Rhino HAS to come out strong here. After looking invincible at BFG, Rhino shouldn't just drop the belt back to JJ under any circumstance.

 

Ultimate X: Also a good idea, but no more rematches. I'd like for them to do this one right, but they can't erase the fact that Petey one at BFG. I think all three guys can have a better showing this time.

 

Dudz vs. Team Canada: Should be a good squash that gets the Dudz back on the scene and after the tag titles. What I'd do concerning 3LK would have BG and Kip seen watching the match together and joking around backstage. It would tease the NAO reunion, and give Konnan something to bitch about since BG is hanging out alone with Kip.

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I think TNA needs a new gimmick match for the X division. Something involving trampolines. They could call it "High Impactolines" and have it sorta be like a ladder match where someone has to bounce up to grab a belt or something...

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I could easily see Raven show up, helping Rhino win the match, then demanding a title match.

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JJ vs. Rhino: Good idea, but Rhino needs to go over CLEAN. TNA's constant problem has been that the title matches always end screwy (mostly b/c that's how JJ matches are always booked). We need to know what Raven and Monty think about this, and maybe they should get a little involved, but Rhino HAS to come out strong here. After looking invincible at BFG, Rhino shouldn't just drop the belt back to JJ under any circumstance.

 

 

See this is the thing that I hate more about Jarrett than anything else, including his stale promos claiming he's King of the Mountain. It's the finishes of his matches. They end with one or all of the following: ref bumps, guitar shots, run-ins, non-sensical turns. Thing is, because Jarrett is a heel, it's acceptable that he wins in cheating fashion. Problem is, he won't lay down clean and when he jobs, it's just as screwy as his wins. However, the face doesn't get over that way. (case in point, Jarrett jobbing to AJ in June because Tito Ortiz beat Jarrett, not AJ)

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dreaded double post

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Rhino vs Jarrett is going to make this company look really stupid because JJ is going to win the belt probably with a guitar shot. Even though at BFG, Rhino took an insane amount of punishment INCLUDING a guitar shot and still won.

 

There will be no way to defend them if they give the strap back to JJ. It'll be a beyond horrible move.

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It's a tough decision to make. Do you give a clean win ending that satisfies, or do you leave a bit of a cliff-hanger that leaves the crowd wanting more?

 

To me, they should build the whole show around Raven. Which side is he on? You have that as your mystery throughout the show to keep the viewers watching. Dudleys talk to him about how they created a revolution in ECW, and how they could do it again in TNA and give the crowd something to cheer for again. Shit, make it biblical with the Dudleys appealing to Ravens Pride. JJ appeals to Ravens sense of Greed, talking about how if Raven joins him that he'll get the money, power, and gold. The end of the show you get your answer. Raven prevents JJ from winning, Rhino hits the gore, 1,2,3. After the match, while they're celebrating, Raven DDT's Rhino and joins up with JJ. You win both ways there.

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I think TNA needs a new gimmick match for the X division.  Something involving trampolines.  They could call it "High Impactolines" and have it sorta be like a ladder match where someone has to bounce up to grab a belt or something...

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You want TNA to have a Matrats type of ring?

 

 

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JJ vs. Rhino: Good idea, but Rhino needs to go over CLEAN. TNA's constant problem has been that the title matches always end screwy (mostly b/c that's how JJ matches are always booked). We need to know what Raven and Monty think about this, and maybe they should get a little involved, but Rhino HAS to come out strong here. After looking invincible at BFG, Rhino shouldn't just drop the belt back to JJ under any circumstance.

 

 

See this is the thing that I hate more about Jarrett than anything else, including his stale promos claiming he's King of the Mountain. It's the finishes of his matches. They end with one or all of the following: ref bumps, guitar shots, run-ins, non-sensical turns. Thing is, because Jarrett is a heel, it's acceptable that he wins in cheating fashion. Problem is, he won't lay down clean and when he jobs, it's just as screwy as his wins. However, the face doesn't get over that way. (case in point, Jarrett jobbing to AJ in June because Tito Ortiz beat Jarrett, not AJ)

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And that is a major failing of TNA right now. Jarrett shound win more matches clean and more importantly, lose clean too. During the ending of the title match, I was wondering if I was time-warping back to WCW when Jarrett had the title. I'm not saying that he has to win every match without interference or the obligatory guitar shot, but hell, he shouldn;t win every match WITH them, either.

 

Don Muraco was one of the nastiest heels of his time and he didn't win by outside interference all of the time.

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No no no no no, more like Slamball!

 

You have trampolines outside the ring, guys bouncin, and jumpin, and slammin.... ok, it doesn't work at all... But my god the visual!

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I think Larry Zybysko or whomever should ban people from ringside during the main. That way, Rhyno (is he back to the "y" or still with "i") can just go over clean. We already got the convoluted run-in mess.

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Or have the convoluted mess and then book a cage match for the PPV to keep that mess out (ooh, a 3 way between Raven/JJ/Rhino).

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It's Rhino now, with an "i".

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I thought about that after I submitted my last reply. Build to a cage match to keep AMW, Gail, Team Canada out sort of like a lot of the old IV Horsemen feuds.

 

...but would that mean a title switch back to Jarrett? I mean, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to end the match in a no contest when Jarrett doesn't have the belt. I'm not feelin' that.

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Like I said before, it becomes a "We must keep the title away from them" storyline. It's not really done very often, infact I think the last time it was done was in WCW during the NWO angle.

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...but that doesn't work either. People running in to get Jarrett DQ'ed doesn't keep the title away from Rhino. It only works if Jarrett has the belt and they do it so that Rhino can't win it when Jarrett gets in trouble.

 

Are you saying that it just becomes a donnybrook (no idea how to spell that) and both sides have people running in, so it ultimately doesn't matter whom got DQ'ed? That way the cage would be keeping people from both sides out, although that seems like it'd put some sympathy on Jarrett because he'd be the challenger going into a singles match with a "fair" shot to win it.