Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 Yeah Gado is good, and supposedly he's very fast. He should find a permanent spot soon. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He definately has a good burst but he doesn't have that open field speed to just break away. He's definately a bruiser though and if Packers fans have anything to be excited about this season its him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 Listen here. The Jets.. Here it comes.. Would get... Wait for it... MURDERED ALIVE IF THEY DRAFTED A FUCKING TIGHT END! Martin is done. And you're coming up with these crazy ass circumstances for each QB? Brees or Rivers is gone at the end of this year. Where do you think one of them is going? The Jets could offer a future 1st round for either of them, whoever they let go, with some additional picks or whatever. Same shit for Volek if the Titans draft Leinart. And like I said, if Bush doesn't make it, we're probably drafting DeAngelo Williams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UZI Suicide 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 You don't seem to understand that this year's draft is going to be crap as far as QBs go after Leinart. By the way, I've watched about 4 Jets games this season and the reason for Martin's dreadful year is the fact he has to shoulder the whole load. Teams are stacking up against the run because there's no passing threat. It also doesn't help that your pro-bowl Center is done for the year. Next year's draft is going to be pretty good for QBs though as you'll most likely see Marcus Vick and Omar Jacobs join Vince Young in the talent pool. Its going to be the year of the Black QB when it comes to the 07 draft. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Depends on who comes out. This year could potentially be very good if Omar Jacobs and Brady Quinn come out. I wouldn't rule Young out either, even though he said he's staying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 Jets fans are always unhappy with the team's pick on draft day (with the exception of Vilma) and Jets management never seems to care. With teams like The Ravens, Dolphins, Cardinals, and possibly the Raiders all looking for a young QB there IS.NO.GUARENTEE. you get a Volek or Rivers. I'm not too impressed with DeAngelo Williams either. He has a chance at being a good back but right now he's under-sized and can't break tackles well. His open field speed is incredible, but in the NFL holes close real fast and breaking through the secondary isn't as easy. I have him rated #3 out of the backs with what he's doing right now, but I have a feeling the sleeper back in this draft is going to be Mike Bell of Arizona. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 Theres a difference between picking the greatest kicker to come out of college in 10 years in the 2nd round (when the next team would pick him, and eventually picking Justin Miller, the guy you were going to pick, and the crowd wanted to pick with that pick later in the 2nd round), and wasting a 1st round pick on a TE, when your QB's arm has had 2 surgeries, and your running back is on the wrong side of 30. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 Depends on who comes out. This year could potentially be very good if Omar Jacobs and Brady Quinn come out. I wouldn't rule Young out either, even though he said he's staying. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't really see either coming out to be honest. Brady Quinn has just begun to tap into his potential thanks to Charlie Weiss and Omar Jacobs most likely stays another year too as there are alot of questions about his ability to make reads and recognise different defenses. Next year though with Quinn, Young, Jacobs, and Vick all poised to come out...its gonna be a good draft for teams in need of a QB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 I can see Vince Young coming out for the draft if Texas won the title this year. Brady Quinn won't, I don't think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 blah, blah, blah I don't understand this draft is weak when it comes to QB and that my team won't be in position to take Reggie Bush most likely making them go best value blah, blah, blah <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ok, we've established all this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UZI Suicide 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 You don't take "Best value" when picking in the top 10, especially if it's a Tight End, especially if it's a Tight End like Vernon Davis who while being a very good player, is not a top 10 talent, and is likely not even the best Tight End in his draft class. The Jets have a lot of needs, and while they could definitely use a Tight End, that is not a position that they MUST address, especially with a top 10 pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 blah, blah, blah I don't understand this draft is weak when it comes to QB and that my team won't be in position to take Reggie Bush most likely making them go best value blah, blah, blah <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ok, we've established all this. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My team won't be in position? Are you fucking retarded, or just stupid? This is a half season draft buddy. And you're the only fucktard who has DeAngelo Williams that low, and a TE that high. Maybe you'd be better at this if the Patriots didn't brainwash you with picking "football players" instead of making the right picks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 Is that logic I hear from Loaded Glove? You think Frigid would use logic here? Balderdash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 I can see Vince Young coming out for the draft if Texas won the title this year. Brady Quinn won't, I don't think. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Vince Young has stated he's staying for his senior year. For some reason Mack Brown is able to convince players to stay rather than enter early. Look at Roy Williams, Cedric Benson, and now seniors Rodrique Wright and Jonathan Scott. I don't know how he does it, but he does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 My team won't be in position? Are you fucking retarded, or just stupid? This is a half season draft buddy. And you're the only fucktard who has DeAngelo Williams that low, and a TE that high. Maybe you'd be better at this if the Patriots didn't brainwash you with picking "football players" instead of making the right picks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not for Reggie Bush, and I forgot that when you draft you look for pure athletes and not football players. I'll have to look at the Jets model of drafting since they've been so succesful in the past. Oh, and you're right about it being a halfway point draft. At the halfway point that's where the Jets are. You're talking about the end of the season, not me. This draft gauges where teams are going to be around in draft order when the season is over, and if their spot stays the same what they'll be choosing. By the way, watch DeAngelo Williams and read scouting reports rather than just looking at mock drafts. You might learn something. You don't take "Best value" when picking in the top 10, especially if it's a Tight End, especially if it's a Tight End like Vernon Davis who while being a very good player, is not a top 10 talent, and is likely not even the best Tight End in his draft class. The Jets have a lot of needs, and while they could definitely use a Tight End, that is not a position that they MUST address, especially with a top 10 pick. I feel that Vernon Davis will be the top TE coming out of this draft. Marcedes Lewis is a top flight TE too. You could probably flip a coin with the two, but my personal opinion is that Vernon Davis is better. Lets take a look at the Jets needs though. 1.) QB - There's nobody at their spot (where they're slated now in this mock) worth that pick. 2.) TE - The team does not have one capable of doing anything. Its been a weakness for a loooooong time 3.) O-Line - They're not great, but they're ok if Mawae can return 4.) RB - Curtis Martin is probably 2 years away from calling it a career. He still has something left though if they don't depend completely on him. 5.) WR - Coles is nothing special, Chrebet is retiring, and McCarens(sp?) is solid but not a #1. Still, there's no outstanding WR worth this pick. Vernon Davis is a great TE that I feel will be similiar to Alge Crumpler when he fully develops. He's got amazing hands and can just run people over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 Chris Baker really wasn't bad at all this year; of course he's out for the year now, but when you have 2 capable TEs on your roster, no way you use your first round pick on one. If you think it's too weak of a QB class fine, we'll draft an HB. And if there aren't any super dooper HBs available at their position (IYO), then they'll just take an OL, or just trade it off for a QB. Please, no TE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 I'm not taking trades into consideration though, that's the thing. I agree that the Jets could possibly trade the pick away to fix something, but I'm not going to speculate to which team and for who. I'm just going by the order and team needs. If the Jets got an Alge Crumpler-esque TE that ran people over and was about as automatic as one can get in the endzone then I doubt any Jets fans would cry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UZI Suicide 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 I feel that Vernon Davis will be the top TE coming out of this draft. Marcedes Lewis is a top flight TE too. You could probably flip a coin with the two, but my personal opinion is that Vernon Davis is better. Lets take a look at the Jets needs though. 1.) QB - There's nobody at their spot (where they're slated now in this mock) worth that pick. 2.) TE - The team does not have one capable of doing anything. Its been a weakness for a loooooong time 3.) O-Line - They're not great, but they're ok if Mawae can return 4.) RB - Curtis Martin is probably 2 years away from calling it a career. He still has something left though if they don't depend completely on him. 5.) WR - Coles is nothing special, Chrebet is retiring, and McCarens(sp?) is solid but not a #1. Still, there's no outstanding WR worth this pick. Vernon Davis is a great TE that I feel will be similiar to Alge Crumpler when he fully develops. He's got amazing hands and can just run people over. Whether it's Davis or Lewis doesn't matter, neither of them are worth a top 10 pick, IMO. One thing Cena's Writer pointed out is that as the season goes on, the Jets are likely to move up even higher in the draft. The QB situation is becoming more of a mess each week and Curtis Martin is on his last legs. It's a very real possibilty that they will end up witha top 3 pick. They'd be very well served taking DeAngelo Williams or Laurence Maroney, both will be there for their pick, both will impact the team much more than a TE would. Williams BTW, isn't undersized. He's 5-10, 217, which is as big or bigger than RB's like Warrick Dunn, Tiki Barber, Julius Jones, Clinton Portis and Cadillac Williams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 I think Maroney would be a better choice than Williams, but that's my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 DeAngelo Williams is only 205lbs and has problems breaking tackles and doesn't have great cutback skills. I think he has the potential to be a bust in the NFL, but based off his numbers right now he's the #3 back. I don't know if the Jets would really be interested in Maroney. They use the RB as a recieving threat out of the backfield pretty often in that system and Maroney doesn't have good recieving skills at this moment. If they took him then it would limit their playcalling quite a bit since they can't send him downfield with much confidence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 We don't use a RB as a reciever very often. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 Swing passes and the occasional screen count too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brett Favre 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 Nah, that was Hackett man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UZI Suicide 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 205 pounds according to what? Every site I've seen has Williams listed at 217. And I don't think the Jets would pass up on a RB like Maroney because he isn't a great receiver out of the backfield. Curtis Martin only gets like 200 or so receiving yards a year, so it isn't exactly like they're the Chargers or something throwing to their RBs all the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 I decided to look up the NFL Draft history for some comparisons: The highest TE picks in the last 5 years: 2005: Heath Miller (30th) 2004: Kellen Winslow (6th, where the Jets at this point would be) 2003: Dallas Clark (15th) 2002: Jeremy Shockey (14th) 2001: Todd Heap (31st) 2000: Bubba Franks (14th) Now Vernon Davis might be a great TE in the NFL, but recent history shows that great NFL TEs do not get drafted that high. And look what happened to Kellen Winslow... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 205 pounds according to what? Every site I've seen has Williams listed at 217. And I don't think the Jets would pass up on a RB like Maroney because he isn't a great receiver out of the backfield. Curtis Martin only gets like 200 or so receiving yards a year, so it isn't exactly like they're the Chargers or something throwing to their RBs all the time. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He might not rack up the yards but defenses take him serious when he does come out of the backfield. Maroney's going to limit your options there. I think the Jets would be best served grabbing Mike Bell in round 2 or taking a flyer till next year when there are going to be quite a few stud RBs. If LenDale White comes out early then they'd grab him, but as of right now from the things I've read he's leaning towards staying for his senior year. Williams came into the season weighing 217. He's at 205 at the moment according to an updated prospect site I hit up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leelee Report post Posted November 12, 2005 Vince young is a Randall Cunningham/Daunte Culpepper mold of QB. I'm sure the Ravens would take a chance on him as a first round pick if he had declared. He'll certainly be a first round talent next year barring injuries. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't know about that... Young appears to have a heck of a lot worse arm than the 2 stars you mentioned. Young screams an Eric Crouch type to me. And, yes, I'm RAYCIST for mentioning this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UZI Suicide 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 205 pounds according to what? Every site I've seen has Williams listed at 217. And I don't think the Jets would pass up on a RB like Maroney because he isn't a great receiver out of the backfield. Curtis Martin only gets like 200 or so receiving yards a year, so it isn't exactly like they're the Chargers or something throwing to their RBs all the time. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He might not rack up the yards but defenses take him serious when he does come out of the backfield. Maroney's going to limit your options there. I think the Jets would be best served grabbing Mike Bell in round 2 or taking a flyer till next year when there are going to be quite a few stud RBs. If LenDale White comes out early then they'd grab him, but as of right now from the things I've read he's leaning towards staying for his senior year. Williams came into the season weighing 217. He's at 205 at the moment according to an updated prospect site I hit up. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've never heard of a guy losing 12 pounds over the course of a season before. That seems almost impossible. I'm not saying you're lying, I just find that hard to believe. What site is that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 http://www.fftoolbox.com/ I use it to check updated player profiles and when certain players are elligible (always minus a year from the one they say (since they have everybody leaving as a senior) to find the elligibility) for the draft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UZI Suicide 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 It says that page was last updated on August 22nd, and even then he didn't weigh 205 pounds. Every official listing has him at 217, and even if he isn't exactly 217 he's somewhere very close to it. Either way, I don't think he's too small. There are plenty of backs his size in the NFL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Failed Bridge 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 Weight issues aside I just don't find him too impressive. There are backs his size, but not many very good ones. Michael Bennett comes to mind when I think of DeAngelo Williams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2005 I looked over the statistics for the HBs in NCAA this year. I think the 2nd back after Bush that should be taken is: Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin He has 1256 yards, good for a 4.6 average, 20 TDs rushing. He isn't a bad receiver either with 42 catches for 487 yards (11.6 average) and 2 receiving TDs. Not a bad deal if someone gets him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites