TNA fans

[Guest Ste The Man]

Im not saying anything bad about TNA fans or anything but when ever I go to the TNA chat on tna.com (gone now) the people there are always assholes. I go in and say good things about tna and then I mention Orton or Triple H and they unleash a big load od crap about how bad WWE are and how much there gimmicks suck.

 

Ok. If WWE gimmicks suck then why do TNA keep them all the time?

If WWE do a move that was on TNA before they go mad saying "rip off scum"

First of all, captain charisma? Triple x? Abyss? Ravens quotes that wwe gave him. the list goes on. They also talk about WWE all the time..they went to WWE and just looked like fools really, they had a fake HHH and Vince going around acting like idiots. Whats the deal?

 

Was it just the people that go onto the tna chat that are complete idiots or is every TNA fan obsessed with hateing WWE, if ya ask me they act like rebels to much.

tna fan: "im mad because I told Vince he sucks" other fan: "wow your hardcore, once I said WWE suck." <--- geeks

 

 

thoughts?

[JustJoe2k5 0]

Captain Charisma was likely Christian's idea, because WWE wouldn't let him use it if they had any ownership in it. Triple X, never saw anything like that in WWE...maybe Kaientai. I don't believe WWE gave Raven any quotes he hadn't already made up on his own.

 

Of course, you enter a TNA chat and you are likely to find diehard TNA fans. It is just a select few, so don't draw any conclusions about the rest of their fanbase.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I also have a problem that the TNA fanbase here seems to want to kill off a legitimately good thing just so they can push a sucky wrestler whose only apparent appeal is in screaming "POOOOOUNCE!".

[JustJoe2k5 0]

I think people want to see TNA build up another superstar they can call their own, instead of reverting back to bringing in older guys with name value. TNA likes to talk about A.J. Styles, but since him they haven't really created another great star. Monty Brown is viewed as someone who could be that next TNA-made star.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

But he has shown he is far from ready. Fact: Now that they have brought Christian in, it's becoming painfully obvious that if they continue with Monty's push it would rival Jericho/X-Pac in stupidity, with WWE continually trying to show that X-Pac is better than Jericho when every fan knew otherwise.

[Guest Bulwark]

...You talked about WWE in a TNA chat room for TNA fans and you're surprised they gave you shit? Are you new to the internet?

 

  Triple X, never saw anything like that in WWE...maybe Kaientai. 

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I think he meant the Triple X name was a ripoff of the Triple H name. Guess the Vin Diesel movie was too... I always thought they were called Triple X because they were 3 X-Division wrestlers.

 

As for Raven, I think the only thing he brought with him from WWE was the name of his finisher...

[JustJoe2k5 0]

I also thought the reason behind the Triple X name was because they were three X-Division wrestlers. I think calling TNA for "copying" the use of "triple" is kind of petty. Do you expect them to say "xxx" everytime they refer to the team?

[Guest ChampKind]

Ste, if you had said TNA used too much "sports entertainment" angles, or compared Jeff Jarrett to Triple H Jr., you would have had a point. But the stuff you brought up is just plain asinine.

 

Triple X was one of the more original things in wrestling, and my favorite tag team in a long time. As was said before, it's not a Triple H rip - it's because Daniels, Skipper, and Low Ki were X-Division stars. And WWE gave Raven his quotes? Wow, that's really stupid. I'm guessing you never watched ECW, or even his run in WCW, years before he was in WWE.

[Guest Coffey]

As for Raven, I think the only thing he brought with him from WWE was the name of his finisher...

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WWE even changed that. It went from the "Evenflow DDT" to the "Raven Effect."

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

That's what Bulwark was saying, that Raven took the WWE name for the finisher to TNA.

[hyperchord24 0]

TNA is ripping off older ideas from the 'E and WCW only to draw fans in. It's smart business.

[razazteca 0]

1st of all you can't get any kind of discussion going on in chatrooms because majority of the people that go there are fanboy trolls trying to one up each other with pointless insults and tangents trying to be the alpha male if you will PERIOD

[RedJed 0]

I also have a problem that the TNA fanbase here seems to want to kill off a legitimately good thing just so they can push a sucky wrestler whose only apparent appeal is in screaming "POOOOOUNCE!".

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I know you seem to have a serious hatred for Brown, but dont let that get caught up in the fact of the matter that the guy is actually extremely over and has month to month been groomed to lead to a title push as such. There is nothing except your single opinion saying this guy isn't ready at all, as he is over with at least 90 percent of the fanbase at least. TNA needs to go with what the people want.

 

Sure I dont like Goldberg and probably never will, but I am still smart to WHY his push happened as it did. It's smart business. Much like is the situation with Brown. You may personally not enjoy him, but you can't deny he's becoming a star or might already be there, depending on the criteria.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Hatred? No. What I hate is the stupid fans who wants to hurt the promotion just to put the belt on a guy who IS NOT READY because what they don't realize is Monty is over because they've been in Orlando EVERY DAMN TAPING, hell look at Lance Hoyt. Is he over? Yes. Do you want him with the belt? I hope not.

[RedJed 0]

Hatred? No. What I hate is the stupid fans who wants to hurt the promotion just to put the belt on a guy who IS NOT READY because what they don't realize is Monty is over because they've been in Orlando EVERY DAMN TAPING, hell look at Lance Hoyt. Is he over? Yes. Do you want him with the belt? I hope not.

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I think if you looked outside the box on this, you'd see he's over in not just Orlando but in general, people on the boards here and such are taking a liking to him to. It's widespread. Fellow workers in TNA and outside of TNA have given Brown props. And that is NOT the same as Hoyt - people here and everywhere except Orlando understand the difference between Brown and Hoyt. And the difference is the fact that Brown has a shit-ton of charisma. Hoyt really doesnt.

 

For what its worth, I'd like him with the belt just because its something they've spent so much time on and built to so solidly, that it would be completely illogical to not go with it, or at worst, at least give it a try to see if it would work. I know earlier in the year, those Jarrett-Brown matches were booked so solid that Brown looked like a major fucking contender versus Jarrett there.

 

How do you feel he is not even ready? The guy is oozing charisma, has a unique promo ability, and other than the fact that his workrate isnt extremely impressive, keep in mind thats not the end all be all of how a star is made. Hulk Hogan anyone??

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

RedJed, read this thread. More and more people are apparently starting to see Monty as someone who is not ready. Only you, TNABaddboi and bps still want Monty to win it, of the vocal people here anyways. And no offense, but the three of you are the biggest TNA apologists/fans here, so I'd tend to chalk up anything you say as either bias or inflated sense of importance in Brown and TNA's character.

[RedJed 0]

RedJed, read this thread. More and more people are apparently starting to see Monty as someone who is not ready. Only you, TNABaddboi and bps still want Monty to win it, of the vocal people here anyways. And no offense, but the three of you are the biggest TNA apologists/fans here, so I'd tend to chalk up anything you say as either bias or inflated sense of importance in Brown and TNA's character.

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And on that note, no need to even create anymore discussion with you if you think we are all just biased. Fucking ridiculous shit. You didnt even answer my question.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Didn't see the question til now.

 

How is he not ready? Ok.

 

His unique promo ability? No sorry, but calling himself Ex-Lax and screaming "POOOOOUNCE" does not make up a good promo ability. Compare his promos with Christian's. TNA has begun to talk about taking the show on the road via house shows. In order to have fanbase expanded they need a visible champion. While Monty has an unique look to himself, he doesn't make up for the lack of GOOD promo ability and GOOD workrate by his look alone. If you want a Hulk Hogan type as your champion, then you are seriously stupid. There's a company up north in Stamford that subscribes to that theory. TNA is supposed to be about providing an alternative. Putting a WWEish type champion at the top is not going to do it. I did say Monty should get the belt at some point, but when you have someone better in your promotion that has brought with him some buzz and new fans, you cash it in. I'm not saying Christian needs to win the belt at FR or anything, but he needs to be the NEXT meaningful champion.

[dubq 0]

How do you feel he is not even ready? The guy is oozing charisma, has a unique promo ability, and other than the fact that his workrate isnt extremely impressive, keep in mind thats not the end all be all of how a star is made. Hulk Hogan anyone??

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Oozing charisma? Unique promo ability? The guys about as good on the mic as the lovechild of Ken Shamrock and Dan Severen. In other words: fucking horrible.

[The Niggardly King 0]

But he called himself Alpha Ex-Lax... that's very creative and shows his oozing charisma.

[dubq 0]

Yup, and his shoulderblock finisher just adds to the credibility.

[Slingshot Suplex 0]

There's no way Christian can just walk in and win the NWA title at any point in the near future because you know what it do in the eyes of the general public? Career mid/ upper card Christian walks into TNA and wins the NWA title exposing the rest of the roster as being several notches below WWE.

 

As for Monty Brown, save for the nonsensical heel turn, was being pushed very well. Workrate......fuck workrate. The guy was over huge with the TNA fans and they wanted to see him succeed. Put the backing of the company behind him and push him at the title. It's still a business and they can't appeal to just those people that wanna see 4 star matches all the time.

 

Brown does have this aura/ charisma about him like a guy like Goldberg did in his early days in WCW. And they need to capitalize on it soon.

 

I personally hated Hulk Hogan as champion in the 80's but he had the charisma and the magnetic personality to draw people to watch him. And that's the bottom line to all of it.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

I get what people are saying about Monty...but the way I look at it...

 

Christian can't just come in and win the title right off. He needs to chase it.

 

That leaves you with either JJ retaining forever...or putting it on any one of the retreads (Raven, Rhino, Hardy) OR Brown.

 

Since I don't consider Christian a viable option any time in the next few months...I vote Brown.

[Guest [censored]]

The reason I think Brown should win the title, and should have won it this next PPV is because he has been pushed as being the guy who is going to take down jarrett and become the next long term champion. The fans are ready for this change and have gotten behind Brown. Now I can think of a few wrestler's I would rather see in this spot (Ron Killings for starters) but Brown is who they chose and the fans accepted this. Having Jarrett hold the title until Christian is ready sucks, having Jarrett lose to rhino and then rhino lose to Brown sucks as well as damages brown by not getting over Jarrett but rather a transitional champion, and having Brown lose to Jarrett also sucks.

 

I honestly don't really know what TNA is doing right now with their World Title and what's scary is I don't know if they do either.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Yup, and his shoulderblock finisher just adds to the credibility.

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Damn right... I wouldn't what some big black man calling himself "Alpha Ex-Lax" to shoulderblock me.

[Guest Leelee]

I share the same sentiment.

 

As much as I like Brown's charisma, the guy isn't really someone you want leading your fed.

 

BUT, currently, who else has been built as a serious world title contender? Nobody, unless you do a quickie month build-up.

 

Brown is the only option in the short term. Jarrett absolutely needs to drop the belt, in the short term.

[The Niggardly King 0]

Maybe they should quit jobbing out Abyss to Jeff Hardy, and let Ron Killings do something on his own again.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

I've always said that Killings is one promo away from being a top contender again...but he's been trapped in the lower midcard 3LK for SOOOO long now. And people who didn't watch the weekly ppvs (which is nearly everyone in the world)...there's no way they see him as anything at this point.

 

As good as Abyss is...and as good as Jim Mitchell is as his mouthpiece...he also needs serious building to be seen as a top contender and not the JTTS that he is.

[Guest [censored]]

I wouldn't say he one promo away but its not too far off. IMO he needs three things

 

1) as stated by you one promo basically stating he nows means business, wants a title shot and is done goofing around

 

2) a new more serious look. He needs to drop the hip hop soldier thing and instead look more like a serious rapper. 50 cent would be an excellent role model in this regard. He looks hard and is taken serious while still managing to be current and within the mainstream of rap.

 

3) one good long PPPV match where he can remind the fans that he can go in the ring. Jeff Hardy would be a good opponent here.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Yeah he needs more than just the promo...

 

What I'd do is have someone with some credability (You know...Raven has literally nothing to do) come out and run him down for his dancing and joking around when he USED TO BE SOMEBODY in the company. Get him pissed off. Instant feud that can use Raven to shoot Truth back up in the eyes of the audience. And then of course (as everyone en route to a title shot does) he'll beat Abyss.