Survivor: Guatemala

[Lord of The Curry 0]

It's kinda weird when girls that are as borderline unhealthy as Danni say that they eat like a pig. She still looks good in her current state but pack about 10-15 more pounds on that frame and she'd be fit as a fiddle.

[Damaramu 0]

I loved every minute of that episode. Now Steph needs to go.

 

Cindy and Mindy?

[Lord of The Curry 0]

Mindy.

 

Real tits always win.

[Damaramu 0]

Yeah I was just saying "Cindy and Mindy? What the hell were their parents thinking?"

[Lord of The Curry 0]

I dig.

 

I misread that as "Cindy or Mindy?"

[Positively Kanyon 0]

After watching that episode and seeing Stephanie piss away the million dollars, I'm backing either Rafe or Cindy to win it now, with Danii being an outside chance.

 

In saying that, I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if Stephanie wins it, she can talk her way out of a paper bag!

 

And how the fuck did Lydia make it to Final 5? Is she using the Sandra strategy?

[nl5xsk1 0]

And how the fuck did Lydia make it to Final 5? Is she using the Sandra strategy?

That's my biggest issue with the "form a big ass alliance and win by strength in numbers" evolution of the game. Lydia got MUCH further than players that deserved it more, purely by being a lucky part of a big alliance. I preferred it when players were voted off because they were worthless, not because they weren't part of the big alliance.

[starvenger 0]

The Sandra strategy would imply that Lydia at least recognizes her position as eternal swing voter and is willing to advance her position by any means necessary.

 

Lydia has been dead weight for a while and is likely to be cut loose next Thursday unless she pulls off an immunity. For this season, "nice" could play a large part in voting for the winner so you might as well get rid of the nicest person and duke it out with the people that are "playing the game".

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

They had the perfect oppurtunity to get rid of Rafe, and didn't take it. Dumb.

[nl5xsk1 0]

^ Agreed. But you just knew that it was going to be Cindy. Both Rafe & Danni were going to vote Cindy, and Lydia seems to be re-writing the book on how to be a clueless follower in this game. Give her a night to be brainwashed by Rafe & Danni saying "We'd have given the cars; we can't believe Cindy didn't give us the cars; etc etc etc" ... and you just knew that she'd follow them in voting her off.

 

Question: am I the only one that thinks going on the night away like that is a bad move? You pretty much take yourself & another person out-of-pocket, and give a majority of the remaining people a chance to conspire together and make a plan/pact about getting to the final 3. I don't care how hungry I was, if I was in Steph's position I'd have said, "Take <whomever> instead, they deserve it more" and stayed with the majority.

[NYU 0]

For strategy's sake -- and not for altruism, or any other bullshit like that -- Cindy should have given up the cars. She had to have known it would create a sense of jealousy in the camp. And, if it weren't bad enough that she denied them all the opportunity to have a new car, she kept bragging about how much she loved it until they couldn't listen to anymore. If she would have given up the cars, she would have at least guaranteed herself a Final Four spot. Rafe already said there was no way he would have voted for her. I doubt Stephanie would have either. But she managed to isolate the majority of them with what she did.

 

Besides, not for nothing, but Mark Burnett has a tendency to reward people who give up their prizes for others. There was another season, I believe it was in the Amazon, where Matt gave up his reward to see his mom to allow everyone else the chance to see their parents. In the end, Probst gave him an even better reward by allowing his mom to stay at the camp overnight. I bet you, if Cindy would have given up her new car, she would have had a nicer one waiting for her when she got back from the Reward Challenge.

[Guest Ransome]

For strategy's sake -- and not for altruism, or any other bullshit like that -- Cindy should have given up the cars. She had to have known it would create a sense of jealousy in the camp. And, if it weren't bad enough that she denied them all the opportunity to have a new car, she kept bragging about how much she loved it until they couldn't listen to anymore. If she would have given up the cars, she would have at least guaranteed herself a Final Four spot. Rafe already said there was no way he would have voted for her. I doubt Stephanie would have either. But she managed to isolate the majority of them with what she did.

 

It's hard to say. I imagine Cindy realised that her chances of winning were slim and a guaranteed car would be better than giving it up and risking walking away from the game with nothing. If she had given up the cars, she *might* have made it to the final four, but even that I don't think was guaranteed. They did consider her a physical threat, and look how quickly Stephanie voted out Judd after he shared several rewards with her. And even if she did make it to the final four (or three) only to get voted out, it would have all been for naught (while useless players like Lydia got the car that Cindy rightfully won).

 

So we're down to Stephanie, Rafe, Lydia and Danni. At this point, I'd say Stephanie would lose against anybody she was up against (except perhaps Lydia), and Rafe would win against anybody he was up against. Once again, Judd's inevitable embittered final Tribal Council jury speech should be the highlight of the season.

[Damaramu 0]

I'm hoping Rafe or Danni win but I really hate Steph and I hope she does not come anywhere close to winning.

[nl5xsk1 0]

I'm hoping Rafe or Danni win but I really hate Steph and I hope she does not come anywhere close to winning.

She's already pretty close.

[Damaramu 0]

I'm hoping Rafe or Danni win but I really hate Steph and I hope she does not come anywhere close to winning.

She's already pretty close.

 

Damn her! Well not the final 2! Although it might be entertaining to see her go to the final 2 and then only pick up like one vote.

[The Robfather 0]

Should be an interesting finale.

 

I'm sure Judd will have something to say on the jury.

[Damaramu 0]

Judd will be awesome and I know Cindy will be flailing to convince everyone else that Rafe=bad and Steph=good.

[starvenger 0]

For strategy's sake -- and not for altruism, or any other bullshit like that -- Cindy should have given up the cars. She had to have known it would create a sense of jealousy in the camp. And, if it weren't bad enough that she denied them all the opportunity to have a new car, she kept bragging about how much she loved it until they couldn't listen to anymore. If she would have given up the cars, she would have at least guaranteed herself a Final Four spot. Rafe already said there was no way he would have voted for her. I doubt Stephanie would have either. But she managed to isolate the majority of them with what she did.

 

It's hard to say. I imagine Cindy realised that her chances of winning were slim and a guaranteed car would be better than giving it up and risking walking away from the game with nothing. If she had given up the cars, she *might* have made it to the final four, but even that I don't think was guaranteed. They did consider her a physical threat, and look how quickly Stephanie voted out Judd after he shared several rewards with her. And even if she did make it to the final four (or three) only to get voted out, it would have all been for naught (while useless players like Lydia got the car that Cindy rightfully won).

That's pretty much my thought. Giving others a car earns you gratitutde, but it does NOT guarantee that you won't get voted out. With only five people left, you're going to vote off the strongest threat to your winning the million, and for all four people, that was Cindy. Well, actually, it's Rafe, but he's pulling the strings right now, so that wasn't going to happen.

 

As for Rafe saying that there was no way he would have voted for her, you have to remember that the point was moot, so he was only thinking emotionally, not strategically.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Judd was disappointing on the jury ... I think he thought that the ice skating quesiton to Danni was going to be the memorable moment, and when it bombed he was kind of lost.

 

Rafe's a bitch for being pissy that Danni didn't "go with her heart" and choose him for the F2. If she chooses him, she probably loses. And only an idiot would go with their heart over their head when a million dollars is up for grabs.

 

Lastly, Danni proved me wrong ... I was worried that she'd be less attractive in reality after seeing her island-ized all season. She looked phenomenal while done up. Unlike Steph, that still hasn't learned that the uber-wavy hear looks straight out of a Jersey mall, circa 1986.

[Positively Kanyon 0]

Once again the Survivor that was pulling all the strings gets shafted again! That was a fucking bullshit result... Danni did not deserve to win that game at all.

 

But I think the bigger question is does Jeff Probst own shirts that aren't blue?

[nl5xsk1 0]

And Steph deserved to win? She proved the point that fucking everyone else over comes back to bite you in the F2. More people were probably voting against Steph rather than for Danni.

 

So, Danni played well enough to get to the F2, and did so without making many enemies. Sounds like a deserving winner to me.

[starvenger 0]

Lastly, Danni proved me wrong ... I was worried that she'd be less attractive in reality after seeing her island-ized all season. She looked phenomenal while done up. Unlike Steph, that still hasn't learned that the uber-wavy hear looks straight out of a Jersey mall, circa 1986.

Given that Danni was a Miss USA runnerup, you'd hope she'd learned how to properly use makeup. Steph really does look better without makeup. I wish she wouldn't wear so much. She seemed to wear a lot even on The Early Show, whereas Danni didn't wear too much and still looked good.

 

Once again the Survivor that was pulling all the strings gets shafted again! That was a fucking bullshit result... Danni did not deserve to win that game at all.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, Danni played a great game. She was pulling the strings on her tribe (per Brian) until the merge, where she bided her time and made the right moves at the right times. Like Rafe, she let someone else be the bad cop, and stayed out of things until she saw opportunities. A good game, and I'd say she's about the fifth best winner overall.

[Damaramu 0]

Yes! Steph lost! I really can't stand her and I guess it proves that the numbers game doesn't always work.

[Positively Kanyon 0]

I'm not sure what you're talking about, Danni played a great game. She was pulling the strings on her tribe (per Brian) until the merge, where she bided her time and made the right moves at the right times. Like Rafe, she let someone else be the bad cop, and stayed out of things until she saw opportunities. A good game, and I'd say she's about the fifth best winner overall.

 

Stephanie definately played a better game than Danni, in my opinion. She was in control almost the whole time. And that bullshit about her being the mastermind behind Judd's departure was complete crap, Danni and Rafe instigated that ouster, and they were also responsible for Cindy's outster as well. I'm pretty sure they will all go back and watch the show and see that Stephanie wasn't the 'big bad' they all made her out to be.

 

It pisses me off that somebody like Danni can just coat tail it all the way to F2, and that the jury can't recognise that the strategist played a better game than they did but they won't give her the million dollars cause they're bitter. In my opinion, other than the Judd response, I thought Stephanie carved up Danni during final Tribal Council and came off more assertive and gave better answers than Danni did.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Stephenie gave some really bad answers to certain questions, like "Who would you remove from the jury if you had the chance?"

 

I really think that Danni played a better game than she did. She was in control of her tribe pre-merge. After the merge she had a lack of numbers, but still managed to break apart an apparently strong foursome. It was her and Rafe who made the decision to ditch Judd & Cindy, not Stephenie. She was forced into it pretty much. The best she could have done with Judd was force a tie. With Cindy, she would have been in the majority. It was Rafe, not Stephenie, who decided that Lydia should go. Danni was smart enough to know when she needed to win immunity and bought the card that gave it to her. The last vote Stephenie had any sort of say on was when Gary went. After that, others made the decision for her and she just skated along.

 

Danni fully deserved to win.

Edited December 13, 2005 by Kahran Ramsus

[nl5xsk1 0]

I agree with Kahran ... Danni controlled her team until the merge, and then had to re-think her strategy after the merge. Being part of the minority only gave her one real option: stay quiet and let the majority turn on each other. Which they did.

 

On top of that, Danni dominated the Q&A part of the F2. While I recognize that Steph was fighting an uphill battle because of her enemies list, it still seemed like she gave some really shitty answers. She didn't seem apologetic at all, or even able to provide legit reasons why she did what she did. She pretty much just said "I was playing the game" and hoping it would suffice. It did not.

 

And Kanyon, how can you say that Steph played a better game than Danni, even though you also point out that Danni was as to blame for getting rid of Judd & Cindy as Steph was - yet was able to float under the radar and not be held responsible for any of it. Playing the game well involves getting to the F2 without a list of enemies. One person did that, the other did not. In my eyes, the person that got away with it without being hated played the better game.

[starvenger 0]

On top of that, Danni dominated the Q&A part of the F2. While I recognize that Steph was fighting an uphill battle because of her enemies list, it still seemed like she gave some really shitty answers. She didn't seem apologetic at all, or even able to provide legit reasons why she did what she did. She pretty much just said "I was playing the game" and hoping it would suffice. It did not.

Ideally, "I played the game" SHOULD have more weight than it does during final TC, but it tends to yield to emotion and people should realize that you need to play to that while emphasizing your gameplay during the Q&A session. Danni did it very well. Steph, well, she wasn't Katie-level (you'd be hard pressed to find someone who blew Q&A as badly as she did in Palau) but she was a bull in a china shop compared to Danni.