Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2005 I stole this thread from another forum, and it's not MY work, but it's a GREAT list. Thus, I wanted to put it up in this forum, so people could educate themselves about some great deathmetal releases. I made a list earlier this year of quality deathmetal albums released throughout the years (no too overly "brutal" albums are present, and nothing exceedingly melodic, i.e non-deathmetal). I know there are more quality albums out there wanting to be explored... So, name some; I've probably forgotten a bunch. Oh and this is only "real" releases, no demo's are allowed (it would've been some more, especially in the early days of deathmetal if demos were allowed here. Demos from Death Strike, Slaughter, Necro Schizma, Dr Shrinker, Nihilist etc.). 1985: Possessed - Seven Churches Sepultura - Bestial Devastation (EP) 1986: Possessed - Beyond the Gates Sepultura - Morbid Visions Slaughter - Strappado 1987: Death - Scream Bloody Gore Possessed - The Eyes of Horror (EP) 1988: Agressor - Satan's Sodomy (EP) Bolt Thrower - In Battle There is No Law Death - Leprosy Num Skull - Ritually Abused Pestilence - Malleus Maleficarum Rigor Mortis - Rigor Mortis 1989: Autopsy - Severed Survival Bolt Thrower - Realm of Chaos Massacra - Final Holcaust Morgoth - Ressurection Absurd (EP) Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness Obituary - Slowly We Rot Pestilence - Consuming Impulse Sempiternal Deathreign - The Spooky Gloom 1990: Abomination - Abomination Agressor - Neverending Destiny Atheist - Piece of Time Atrocity - Hallucinations Cabal - Midian Cancer - To the Gory End Carnage / Cadaver (Split) - Dark Recollections / Hallucinating Anxiety Darkthrone - Soulside Journey Deicide - Deicide Death - Spiritual Healing Entombed - Left Hand Path Cerebral Fix - A Tower of Spite Grotesque - Incantation (EP) Hellwitch - Syzygial Miscreancy Impetigo - Ultimo Mondo Cannibale Master - Master Morgoth - The Eternal Fall Mortuary - Blackened Images Nocturnus - The Key Obituary - Cause of Death Paradise Lost - Lost Paradise Sorcery - Rivers of the Dead (EP) Thanatos - Emerging From The Netherworlds Tiamat - Sumerian Cry Vacant Grave - Life Or Death Xysma - Above the Mind of Morbidity (EP) 1991: Asphyx - The Rack Atheist - Unquestionable Presence At The Gates - Gardens of Grief (EP) Authorize - The Source Of Dominion Autopsy - Mental Funeral Benediciton - The Grand Leveller Bolt Thrower - War Master Broken Hope - Swamped in Gore Cancer - Death Shall Rise Carbonized - For the Security Carcass Necroticism - Descanting The Insalubrious Death Strike - Fuckin' Death Dismember - Like an Everflowing Stream Entombed - Clandestine Funebre - Children of the Scorn Gorguts - Considered Dead Grave - Into the Grave Immolation - Dawn of Possession Malevolent Creation - The Ten Commandments Master - On The Seventh Day God Created...Master Massacra - Enjoy the Violence Massacre - From Beyond Morbid Angel - Blessed Are the Sick Morgoth - Cursed Order From Chaos - Stillbirth Machine Pestilence - Testimony of the Ancients Phlegethon - Fresco lungs (EP) Revenant - Prophecies of A Dying World Ripping Corpse - Dreaming with the Dead Sentenced - Shadows of the Past Sorcery - Bloodchilling Tales Suffocation - Human Waste (EP) Suffocation - Effigy of the Forgotten Shub Niggurath - Massacring the Infinity Therion - Of Darkness... Torturer - Opressed by the Force Unleashed - Where no Life Dwells 1992: Abhoth - The Tide (EP) Acheron - Satanic Victory (EP) Acheron - Rites Of The Black Mass Afflicted - Prodigal Sun Afterlife – Surreality Amorphis - The Karelian Isthmus Asphyx - Last One On Earth Asphyx - Crush the Cenotaph (EP) At The Gates - The Red In The Sky Is Ours Atrocity - Longing For Death Baphomet - The Dead Shall Inherit Bluuurgh... - In My Embrace Cadaver - ...In Pains Cartilage / Altar (Split) - Ex Oblivione / The Fragile Concept Of Affection Cemetary - An Evil Shade Of Grey Cenotaph - The Gloomy Reflection Of Our Hidden Sorrows Ceremonial Oath - The Lost Name Of God (EP) Convulse - World Without God Crematory - Denial (EP) Darkified - Sleep Forever (EP) Deicide - Legion Demigod - Slumber of Sullen Eyes Demolition Hammer - Epidemic Of Violence Dismember - Pieces (EP) Disgrace – Grey Misery Fester - Winter Of Sin Fleshcrawl - Descend Into The Absurd Furbowl - Those Shredded Dreams (EP) God Dethroned - The Christhunt Gorefest - False Grave - You'll Never See... Hellwitch - Terraasymmetry (EP) Hypocrisy - Penetralia Incantation - Onward To Golgotha Lemming Project - Hate And Despise Liers In Wait - Spiritually Uncontrolled Art (EP) Maceration - A Serenade Of Agony Malevolent Creation - Retribution Mercyless - Abject Offerings Miasma - Changes Monstrosity - Imperial Doom Morpheus Descends - Ritual Of Infinity Necrophiliac - Chaopula: Citadel Of Mirrors Necrophobic - The Call (EP) Necropsy - Never to be Forgotten (EP) Obscenity - Suffocated Truth Obscurity - Wrapped in Plastic (EP) Purtenance - Member Of Immortal Damnation Seance - Fornever Laid To Rest Sinister - Cross The Styx Solstice (US) - Solstice Thanatos - Realm Of Ecstacy Torchure - Beyond the Veil Therion - Beyond Sanctorum Unanimated - In The Forest Of The Dreaming Dead Unleashed - Shadows In The Deep Vader - The Ultimate Incantation Vital Remains - Let Us Pray 1993: Acrostichon - Engraved In Black At the Gates – With Fear I Kiss The Burning Darkness Benediction - Transcend The Rubicon Broken Hope - Bowels Of Repugnance Brutality – Screams of Anguish Cancer - The Sins of Mankind Ceremonial Oath - The Book Of Truth Creepmime – Shadows Crypt of Kerberos - World of Myths Demilich – Nespithe Desultory - Into Eternity Dismember - Indecent & Obscene Eucharist – A Velvet Creation Fleshcrawl - Impurity God Macabre – The Winterlong Goddefied - Abysmal Grief (EP) Gorguts – The Erosion of Sanity Grave - ..And Here I Die… Satisfied (EP) Hypocrisy - Osculum Obscenum Hypocrisy - Pleasure Of Molestation (EP) Illdisosed - Four Depressive Seasons Internal Decay - A Forgotten Dream Kataklysm – The Mystical Gate of Reincarnation Killing Addiction – The Omega Factor Master - Collection of Souls Mercyless - Coloured Funeral Miasma – Love Songs (EP) Morbid Angel - Covenant Mourning - Greetings From Hell Morta Skuld - Dying Remains Necrophobic – The Nocturnal Silence Seance – Saltrubbed Eyes Sentenced - North from Here Suffer - Global Warming (EP) Sinister - Diabolical Summoning Torchure - The Essence Utumno - Across the Horizon (EP) 1994: Amorphis - Tales from the Thousand Lakes Acheron – Lex Talonis Ancient Rites – Diabolical Serenades Abramelin - Transgression From Acheron (EP) Bolt Thrower- ...For Victory Brutality – When the Sky Turns Black Cenotaph – Riding Our Black Oceans Chasm, The - Procreation Of The Inner Temple Detest - Dorval Desultory - Bitterness Disincarnate - Dreams of the Carrion Kind Dominus – A View to the Dim Epidemic – Exit Paradise Fester - Silence Grave - Soulless Gorement - The Ending Quest Hetsheads - We Hail the Possessed... Hypocrisy - Inferior Devoties (EP) Illdisposed - Return from Tomorrow (EP) Infester – To the Depths… In Degradation Incantation – Mortal Throne of Nazarene Luciferion - Demonication: The Manifest Morpheus Descends - Chronicles Of The Shadowed Ones Suffer – Structures Shub Niggurath - Evilness And Darkness Prevails The Chasm – Procreation of the Inner Temple Uncanny - Splenium For Nyktophobia Vader - Sothis Windham Hell - South Facing Epitaph 1995: Abramelin - Abramelin Amon Amarth - Sorrow Throughout the Nine Worlds (EP) Ceremonium – Into the Autumn Shade Creepmime - Chiaroscuro Crown of Thorns - The Burning Damnation - Reborn... Darkified - A Dance on the Grave (Compilation) Decameron - My Shadow Molested - Blod Draum Order From Chaos - Dawn Bringer Sinister - Hate Suffocation - Pierced from Within Unanimated - Ancient God of Evil Undercroft - Twisted Souls Wicked Innocence – Omnipotence 1996: Abramelin – Abramelin Adramelech – Psychostasia Ancient Rites - Blasfemia Eternal Angelcorpse - Hammer of Gods Asphyx - Embrace the Death Chasm, The - From the Lost Years Eucharist - Mirrorworlds Erytrosy - Incomplete Minds Fleshcrawl - Bloodsoul Golem – Eternity: The Weeping Horizons Grotesque - In the Embrace of Evil (compilation) Immolation - Here in After Monstrosity - Millenium Mortem - Demon Tales Sacrilege - Lost In The Beauty You Slay 1997: Autumn Leaves - Embraced by the Absolute Capharnaum - Reality Only Fantasized Crown of Thorns - Eternal Death God Dethroned - The Grand Grimoire Incantation - The Forsaken Mourning of Angelic Anguish (EP) Intestine Baalism - An Anatomy of the Beast Shub Niggurath - The Kinglike Celebration (Final Aeon on Earth) Vital Remains - Forever Underground Vore - Dead Kings Eyes (EP) 1998: Amon Amarth - Once Sent From The Golden Hall Angelcorpse - Exterminate Arghoslent - Galloping Through the Battle Ruins Chasm, The - Deathcult for Eternity: The Triumph Gorguts - Obscura Krabathor - Orthodox Mortem - The Devil Speaks in Tongues Obscenity - Human Barbecue Order From Chaos - An Ending in Fire Pentacle - Rides the Moonstorm 1999: Adramelech - Pure Blood Doom Amon Amarth - The Avenger Angelcorpse - The Inexorable Arghoslent - Arsenal of Glory Autumn Leaves - As Night Conquers Day God Dethroned - Bloody Blasphemy Chasm, The - Procession To The Infraworld Immolation - Failures For Gods Monstrosity - In Dark Purity Nominon - Diabolical Bloodshed Repugnant - Hecatomb (EP) Sargatanas - The Enlightenment 2000: Acerbus - Emanation Darkness Immolation - Close to a World Below Malevolent Creation - Envenomed Morbid Angel - Gateways To Annihilation Mortem - Decomposed by possession 2001: Aborted - Engineering the Dead Bolt Thrower - Honour, Valour, Pride Chasm, The - Reaching The Veil Of Death Deteriorot - In Ancient Beliefs God Dethroned - Ravenous Pentacle - Ancient Death (EP) Vore - Lord of Storms 2002: Arghoslent - Incorrigible Bigotry Chasm, The - Conjuration Of The Spectral Empire Immolation - Unholy Cult Kaamos - Kaamos Vomitor - Bleeding the Priest 2003: Imperious - In Splendour Intestine Baalism - Banquet in The Darkness Mithras - Worlds Beyond The Veil Nunslaughter - Goat Serpens Aeon - Dawn of Kouatl Verminous - Impious Sacrilege 2004: Chasm, The - Spell of Retribution 2005: Bolt Thrower - Those Once Loyal Mortem - De Natura Daemonum Pentacle - Under the Black Cross Nominon - Recremation Infernal Legion - Your Prayers Mean Nothing Blood Ritual - Black Grimoire Kaamos - Lucifer Rising Crimson Massacre - The Luster of Pandemonium Vore - Maleficus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2005 No Sepultura stuff after '86 is listed because they became 'more melodic' then? The 'Slaughter' here had to be a copywrite-infringing band correct? I didn't see any Cannibal Corpse or Nile...what sub-genre do they belong to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted December 25, 2005 Looks like the 90s was the peak for metal too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 25, 2005 Peak for death metal, yes. The mid-90's saw more and more death metal bands come about, and with the Gothenburg scene coming alive in the late 80's and reaching its peak in the mid-90's, it makes sense that the years with the highest amount of very good/great death metal albums are between 1993 and 1998. And I'd say no Sepultura after '86 because they became much more of a "hardcore" band following that. I love Chaos AD, but it didn't seem nearly as brutal as the early stuff. I'm a little shocked at the lack of Suffocation, particularly their latest which was a breath of fresh air for death metal, but since you did say nothing overly brutal (though they're not too brutal), I dig. Loving the Morbid Angel love here, though I don't think I saw Domination listed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted December 25, 2005 Looks like the 90s was the peak for metal too. Oh, easily. You've got the swamp scene, death proliferation, grindcore's formative years, mainstream appeal for a few metal groups, black metal's defining points..even power metal (as a subgenre) really found itself that decade. The genre's only been existant for 30 years or so, depending on what one calls metal. I know if I were to make a top ten metal albums list, the 90's would be the meat and potatoes of the list. Minus say, Sabbath's debut, Reign in Blood, and maybe some early Sepultura. Bolt Thrower is fuckin' awesome, people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 25, 2005 While metal certainly didn't die in the 90's like MTV would have people believe, a top ten list from even just 1986 would blow a list from the 90's out of the water. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 26, 2005 Oh, of fucking course. All of the killer thrash and speed albums that came out from 1985 to 1989 is a who's-who and what's-what of metal. Speak English Or Die, Reign In Blood, Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?, Master of Puppets...damn. And I agree with Agent: Bolt Thrower is fuckin' awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2005 No Sepultura stuff after '86 is listed because they became 'more melodic' then? The 'Slaughter' here had to be a copywrite-infringing band correct? I didn't see any Cannibal Corpse or Nile...what sub-genre do they belong to? Sepultura became less good, is all. As far as Cannibal Corpse and Nile go, this list is for bands that are better than fucking terrible, juvenile, horseshit bands (Cannibal Corpse), and bands that, as a rule, are generally not one trick ponies (Nile) Looks like the 90s was the peak for metal too. Amend that to read "Looks like the first half of the 90's was the peak for metal too." and you'd be closer. Once the doors opened on Death Metal (especially with the Swedish style bands mostly giving up their art and selling out), the clone bands came in looking for either: a) To be part of a clubhouse by having yet another band/zine/distro etc etc b ) To imitate their heros while showing half the ability and none of the leadership required to actually create something new I'm a little shocked at the lack of Suffocation, particularly their latest which was a breath of fresh air for death metal, but since you did say nothing overly brutal (though they're not too brutal), I dig. Loving the Morbid Angel love here, though I don't think I saw Domination listed. If this was my list, Suffocation would have everything listed, starting from the Human Waste demo on up. It's not my list so I'll just have to add that after the fact here. As far as Morbid Angel (Suffocation can realistically be in this point as well for their omissions), this list is meant to be a 'best of the best' listing, so it's entirely reasonable that Altars of Madness or Blessed Are The Sick get on, but other albums don't. You've got the swamp scene, death proliferation, grindcore's formative years, mainstream appeal for a few metal groups, black metal's defining points..even power metal (as a subgenre) really found itself that decade. In the small: Swamp Scene(as I understand it) = another clubhouse mentality after the more innovative and innocently creative musicians left, died, or sold out after being sick of being able to afford lousy smack. Definitely overhyped niche market, with some very interesting moments. I wouldn't list it as part of a discussion of the most important elements of Extreme Metal history. grindcore's formative years Grindcore died when Carcass released Heartwork and the other leaders of the genre simplified their anti society ideals to simple liberal meandering. You need Godflesh Streetcleaner like yesterday While metal certainly didn't die in the 90's like MTV would have people believe, a top ten list from even just 1986 would blow a list from the 90's out of the water. Please make that list, sir. I'd like to kill it, and learn some 1980's bands that I have criminally overlooked. Oh, of fucking course. All of the killer thrash and speed albums that came out from 1985 to 1989 is a who's-who and what's-what of metal. Speak English Or Die, Reign In Blood, Peace Sells...But Who's Buying?, Master of Puppets...damn. I get the feeling that most things that people would list from the 80's(myself included) would be hard to judge fairly because they would have a nice sheen of nostalgia covering them. Reign In Blood is really the only album of that short list that I'd claim to be truly timeless and meaningful as a genre leader and representation of what Heavy Metal can accomplish in the right hands, even though I prefer Master... because I have 'share more happy times' with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2005 While I agree with you to an extent on the nostalgia comment, I do have to say that Peace Sells... as an album is heavily underwhelming. It's listing is there purely for impact and importance (that being that it's Megadeth's most widely-known album before Rust In Peace). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2005 I can distance myself from nostalgia in order to judge the older metal albums for their face value. First, I think Peace Sells is a wholly solid album and just marginally behind RiP on my Megadeth list. Next, while it's tantamount to metal blasphemy, I think RiB is vastly overrated within Slayer's catalog. Yes it's bookended by two classics in "Angel of Death" and "Raining Blood", but most of the middle is poorly produced super-fast forgettable filler songs with only "Altar of Sacrifice" and "Jesus Saves" sticking in my head as being decent. Hell Awaits is a much better album, with longer/more-developed songs and much better production... you can actually hear Araya's bass lines, which are muddled in the production of RiB. Also, Master of Puppets is slightly behind Ride the Lightning on my personal Metallica list. Having established those opinions, here is my personal "best of '86" list for Tack (and anyone else) to try and rip into: 1. Iron Maiden - Somewhere In Time 2. Kreator - Pleasure To Kill 3. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus 4. Crimson Glory - Crimson Glory 5. Megadeth - Peace Sells 6. Metal Church - The Dark 7. Queensryche - Rage For Order 8. King Diamond - Fatal Portrait 9. Fates Warning - Awaken The Guardian 10. Cinderella - Night Songs (yes, I know it's a hair metal album, but it's a damn good one) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted December 28, 2005 You've got the swamp scene, death proliferation, grindcore's formative years, mainstream appeal for a few metal groups, black metal's defining points..even power metal (as a subgenre) really found itself that decade. In the small: Swamp Scene(as I understand it) = another clubhouse mentality after the more innovative and innocently creative musicians left, died, or sold out after being sick of being able to afford lousy smack. Definitely overhyped niche market, with some very interesting moments. I wouldn't list it as part of a discussion of the most important elements of Extreme Metal history. grindcore's formative years Grindcore died when Carcass released Heartwork and the other leaders of the genre simplified their anti society ideals to simple liberal meandering. You need Godflesh Streetcleaner like yesterday You kidding? I love Godflesh. The swamp stuff is indeed a niche market. Pioneers? Not especially, but it's a shame to overlook Down, Acid Bath, Soilent Green, Crowbar, and all the other fun groups with blood type-Heroin+. In terms of interesting moments, that's metal in a nutshell to me. A series of interesting moments, made interesting by how people can manipulate the sound to fit what's either relevant to them, or just different, even if it's not particularly the best "according to Hoyle" metal. Applying a set of criteria to what makes metal "metal" blows the entire point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2005 Actually, Agent, you just made possibly the greatest point ever in regards to metal. There's no real set criteria, just a few things in common (that being distortion and palm-muting...because everything else varies sub-genre to sub-genre). And Slayer, the reason Reign is considered Slayer's best is because of the overall feel of the album. Sure, everything in between "Angel of Death" and "Raining Blood" is filler, but it doesn't really matter if they're great songs or just filler, because the whole album is a heavy blitzkrieg of anger, which is what thrash is all about. It essentially personifies thrash in every aspect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 28, 2005 If that's your criteria, then Pleasure to Kill blows RiB out of the water. This is just my opinion though Just for the hell of it, here's how I'd rate Slayer's "good" discography: Show No Mercy Hell Awaits Reign in Blood Seasons in the Abyss South of Heaven Live Undead Pretty much anything after Seasons has blown though, so that's why in spite of taking their band as my username, they're not my favorite band (that honor belongs to Paradise Lost) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted December 29, 2005 Actually, Agent, you just made possibly the greatest point ever in regards to metal. There's no real set criteria, just a few things in common (that being distortion and palm-muting...because everything else varies sub-genre to sub-genre). Being so inclusive creates a problem of allowing more people into the Metal Clubhouse ie: emo bands and thusly bringing down the overall quality to an even lower level and drowning the greats in even more obscurity. But this, like much of my ranting in this thread I see, is getting a little tangential(almost edit: this whole post is tangential. rock out!) And Slayer, the reason Reign is considered Slayer's best is because of the overall feel of the album. Sure, everything in between "Angel of Death" and "Raining Blood" is filler, but it doesn't really matter if they're great songs or just filler, because the whole album is a heavy blitzkrieg of anger, which is what thrash is all about. It essentially personifies thrash in every aspect. Thrash: Formed from a hybrid of speed metal and hardcore punk, thrash was metal riffs in punk song structures and rhythms. Thrash songs were short, furious bursts of energy that took either political topics or a political look at everyday life, asking why it was so empty and threatening. Where speed metal put punk tempos into metal riffs, and borrowed structure from both prog and heavy metal, thrash structure was almost improvisational. It was also more literal, eschewing entirely the metaphorical (hobbits, wizards, occult) side of metal for the day-to-day life descriptions and metapolitical social critique of hardcore bands. At first, it was avoided by most metalheads and punks alike for not fitting enough to either genre, but eventually someone came up with the word "crossover" to describe it. While many metal writers tend to lump it in with speed metal, or some media creation like "thrash metal," it is a distinct genre, and foreshadowed both the metalcore of the 1990s and the abstract critique of modern mortality denial found in grindcore and death metal. However, its popularity among those who liked realistic and assertive music was such that, despite poor recording quality and songs too explosive for radio play, most thrash bands made it onto labels of a respectable size before being absorbed by either metal or hardcore in the late 1980s. DRI = Thrash Slayer = Speed/Proto-Death I've begun to realize the importance of putting more limits on what is and what isn't good or metal and the genres they fit into etc, simply to do my small part to reduce the amount of truly lousy crap that's spewing out of the heavy metal universe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 29, 2005 I have to agree with Agent's remark about this extreme quantification of metal Now you're just trying to take all the fun out of it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 29, 2005 Tack, where are you getting these definitions/explanations of genres? Slayer's always been referred to as a thrash metal band. I've never heard them called ANYTHING else. They're pretty different from the likes of Megadeth and Exodus, speed metal bands, in that while the songs are played (usually) at a fast pace, the focus is on dissonance rather than consonance to create the disjointed feeling, that aura of uncertainty. Whereas speed metal created songs played faster than your average metal band with acoustic/clean breaks and singing, thrash had vocalists that either used semi-growls, screams, or Lemmy-inspired raspy-voiced singing. Though I will agree entirely with that definition's description of the lyrical content of thrash metal (that being political and more day-to-day life rather than mythological or spiritual like most other metal bands at the time), and that it lead to metalcore in the mid-90's. Also, there doesn't need to be TIGHT restrictions on what makes a metal band a metal band, because if we made it tight enough everything BUT the swamp scene bands wouldn't be labelled metal, since the founding fathers of heavy metal - Black Sabbath - had a more slow, doom, blues-y feel to their music than nearly any metal band that followed, and the swamp scene was basically all about that. Throw stoner rock into that pit of "real metal" too, since stoner bands are HEAVILY influenced by Sabbath to the point where most stoner bands basically just play music that sounds entirely like "Paranoid" and "Sabbra Cadabra." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted December 29, 2005 I have to agree with Agent's remark about this extreme quantification of metal Now you're just trying to take all the fun out of it I'm not all fanatical about it, and I hope I never am, I just feel it would be in "our" best interest if some of the fun was taken out of it until such time that the quality artists can come out of the woodwork and shine again. Tack, where are you getting these definitions/explanations of genres? Slayer's always been referred to as a thrash metal band. I've never heard them called ANYTHING else. They're pretty different from the likes of Megadeth and Exodus, speed metal bands, in that while the songs are played (usually) at a fast pace, the focus is on dissonance rather than consonance to create the disjointed feeling, that aura of uncertainty. Whereas speed metal created songs played faster than your average metal band with acoustic/clean breaks and singing, thrash had vocalists that either used semi-growls, screams, or Lemmy-inspired raspy-voiced singing. Being a lazy prick at 3:40 am, I'll just quote from the Dark Legions Archive, who have basically influenced my thinking on this. Speed Metal: In the early days of the cold war, speed metal arose to reflect the apocalyptic consciousness gripping heavy metal after fusion with antisocial and anarchistic hardcore punk. Bands influenced by the progressive styles of the 1970s and the abrupt, droning, explosive style of hardcore began making a fast type of metal which used palm muting as a strumming technique to produce bursts of alternating rhythmic emphasis. Topics like war, pollution, nuclear weapons and corporate domination were sung of in either a male bass vocal or shouted in a riot style chorusing similar to that of Oi bands. While this music was highly complex and often inventive in structure, it remained roughly within the confines of rock-based mainstream music and passed its technique on to the underground death metal, thrash and grindcore to follow. Thrash Metal: When hardcore and metal collided thrash emerged as a fusion of punk song stylings and musical ethos with metal riff styles and topics. Apocalyptic and confrontational songs of often under a minute in duration battered the listener with one- and two-riff creations which slammed home a central idea in verse and chorus. Politics entered metal forever through this avenue, as did the desire to make simpler and more alarmingly basic music. Vocals were shouted in a high-speed diatribe resembling that of an auctioneer closing a bid. While musicianship was mostly of the lowest caliber, the speed and abrupt percussive guitar techniques of the genre required innovation of custom technique which is the foundation of death metal playing. http://anus.com/metal/about/genre/ Most people have the same idea about Thrash and Speed as earlier mentioned in the thread, simply because it's been represented that way in the media for so long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 29, 2005 You act like there hasn't been quality metal released at all this decade... fuck that From the "best albums of 2005" thread, here were my favorite metal releases from last year Russell Allen and Jorn Lande - The Battle SYL - Alien Nocturnal Rites - Grand Illusion Nevermore - This Godless Endeavor Bruce Dickinson - Tyranny of Souls Candlemass - Candlemass Paradise Lost - Paradise Lost Kreator - Enemy of God Sure, nothing "groundbreaking" (last example I can think of would be Hammerfall reviving power metal with Glory to the Brave), but all quality metal releases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 29, 2005 Ewwww...post-Dead Heart Nevermore... Of course, you know my love for my hometown heroes in Shadows Fall, so I'd have to say that The War Within is also one of the best metal albums of '05. Not only because I love Shadows Fall, but also because the more I listen to it the more I like it. Has a nice blend of old-school metal with some hardcore breakdowns and only a couple generic metalcore-moments, once again proving why they're the best metalcore band around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted December 30, 2005 The new Cryptopsy fucking blows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2005 Corey, have you checked out the re-produced (better) version of Enemies of Reality? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2005 The new Cryptopsy fucking blows. yes sir, it does suck. Mightily. Replace it with Averse Sefira Tetragrammatical Astygmata Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2005 Corey, have you checked out the re-produced (better) version of Enemies of Reality? Cannot say I have, but I saw Nevermore live not too long ago, and all of their songs played (save for "River Dragon...") were from This Godless Endeavour and Enemies of Reality. I was bored. Not because I didn't know the songs, because I can get into a band who plays new songs or whose work I'm not familiar with so long as it's good. I just could not, for the life of me, get into it. Not the point I'd wanted to. I would throw the Zombie Apocalypse/Send More Paramedics split Tales Told by Dead Men into the "best of '05" category, but Zombie Apocalypse is a hardcore band, and Send More Paramedics are kinda lame. Fun to listen to because they basically just rip off Slayer, but not fun enough to listen to because it gets redundant as hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steviekick 0 Report post Posted December 30, 2005 I'll just throw it in here, but what did you guys think of Dark Tranquillity's Character from '05? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2005 I would throw the Zombie Apocalypse/Send More Paramedics split Tales Told by Dead Men into the "best of '05" category, but Zombie Apocalypse is a hardcore band, and Send More Paramedics are kinda lame. Fun to listen to because they basically just rip off Slayer, but not fun enough to listen to because it gets redundant as hell. So why mention it, especially in a Death Metal thread? lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted December 31, 2005 Because it's my favorite release this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J0bber Report post Posted December 31, 2005 Kind of off topic, but just received Sepultura's Against in the mail today through BMG Music. I was VERY pleasantly surprised as it is way better than the overrated Roots album. I always felt, especially in his later days, that Max Cavalera's constant growling was a bit one-dimensional. On Against, new vocalist Derrick Green has a voice that reminds me of the singer from Biohazard, but unlike Cavalera, he also sings. Like Roots, there is a lot of experimenting on the album with sitars, shakers, bells, and just about anything else you can think of. This one crazy Japanese band KODO also makes an appearance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2006 Post-Max Sepultura is shyte. And which singer from Biohazard: Billy or Evan? Billy has the higher-pitched scream, and Evan has the more raspy voice (and also does most of the singing on their slower songs). I cannot stand post-Max Sepultura. Hell, I'll take Soulfly over post-Max Sepultura, and Soulfly is almost as bad as KoRn. ALMOST. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye 0 Report post Posted January 2, 2006 Bah, go take your favourite of 05 and shitty trash music to their own threads and stop gaying my awesome listmania up! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted January 3, 2006 There's no u in "favorite", you whiny Canuck, but I'll humor you anyways... here are my favorite DM albums: Amon Amarth - Once Sent From The Golden Hall At The Gates - Slaughter Of The Soul Death - Symbolic Death - Human Deicide - Deicide In Flames - The Jester Race Morbid Angel - Blessed Are The Sick Obituary - Cause Of Death Sepultura - Beneath The Remains Sepultura - Arise Really, I could just make it the entire Death discography (save for SoP) as they're by far my favorite DM band, but I felt some variety would be good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
