Epic Reine 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2006 I didn't realize I put 7 people in the MITB match, take Henry out and leave Davari in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2006 WM 4 wasn't bad, just looooooong You see the problem with WM4 was, there was no real "great" match. Although Savage/Dibiase finals was good, considering. Just as a whole, the show was flat, which was assisted by the long duration. Without the tournament concept, the show is forgotten. Yep. WM 5 is better than WM 4. And what bad match is at WM 3? Hercules Vs Billy Jack Haynes, King Kong with the "vertically challenged", and Reed Vs Ware...I could have gone without seeing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericho2000Mark 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2006 Proposed / Rumored Wrestlemania 22 Card So Far WWE Championship Cena Vs. Helmsley World Heavyweight Title Angle Vs. Orton Hulk Hogan Vs. The Big Show Edge Vs. Mick Foley Shawn Michaels Vs. Vince McMahon The Undertaker Vs. Mark Henry My Few Changes: If they absolutely have to do Michaels Vs. McMahon, I'd rather see Shawn take on Shane, at least the match would be an improvement with the spotfest son compared to the immobile Chairman. Wrestlemania 22 WWE Championship HHH Vs. John Cena World Heavyweight Title Randy Orton Vs. Kurt Angle Hulk Hogan Vs. The Big Show Interpromotional Match HBK Vs. JBL The Undertaker Vs. Chris Benoit Edge Vs. Mick Foley US Championship Rey Mysterio Vs. Booker T for the US Championship Intercontinental Title RVD Vs. Shelton Benjamin Cruiserweight Open Sho Funaki Vs. Jamie Noble Vs. Steven Richards Vs. Simon Dean Vs. Nunzio Vs. Daivari Vs. Scotty 2 Hotty Vs. Gregory Helms Fatal Four Way for WWE Tag Team Championship The Mexicools Vs. The FBI Vs. Vs. Paul London & Brian Kendrick Vs. MNM Fatal Four Way for the World Tag Titles (To be shown on Heat) Carlito & Masters Vs. Snitsky & Tomko Vs. Val Venis & Eugene Vs. The Big Show & Kane and now this is the part where you post "Your card fucking sucks." Ok. The last Cruiserweight Open sucked, they won't give it any time to get good and there are too many wrestlers involved for any of them to get enough time to put on a good match. HBK-JBL had a terrible, slow and plodding match during the "Raw vs SmackDown" fued. Hogan-Show has been done before, and it wasn't good back then, imagine how bad it would be 10 years later? Orton main eventing WrestleMania is one of the problems with the show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
claydude14 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2006 I haven't read all 5 pages, so I don't know if it's been suggested; but I think Wrestlemania is saved as long as the world title matches are hot matches people want to see. HHH/Cena and Orton/Angle are not those matches obviously. Having Rey/Angle main event is something marks and smarks alike would like to see. On the RAW side, RVD/Cena is ideal. Since Cena has acknowledged mixed crowd reaction, they could sell the reason he is booed is because some of the crowd prefers RVD, sell it as 50/50 (although I doubt it'd be that). Also, the marks want to see RVD win the tournament as you can see in the voting on wwe.com, so it'd be an intersting undercard other main event from RAW. Throw HHH with JBL and Orton with Booker T or something. That's an acceptable Wrestlemania even if Henry/Taker and Michaels/HBK take place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Zaius 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2006 Save Wrestlemania, Could you do it? Jesus couldn't save this Wrestlemania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2006 This card isn't in absolute dire straits until they announce HHH vs. Cena and Orton vs. Angle as the main events. Somehow I can't help but think that a light will go off before then and they'll say "Wait up, we can't have two heels win the titles at WM." Cause right now those two title matches have essentially no one to cheer. First off, within what they have sorta set up here's what I'd do: --Rey must win at No Way Out. This isn't an issue. Orton/Angle has all the appeal of a damp rag. Let Rey retain his shot and go to WM, dedicate his match to Eddie, and pull off the mega huge win. Then you can go back to Orton/Rey or whatever. --The Raw tourney must end in a screwy non decision with RVD and HHH. Since I doubt HHH would accept being in the midcard this is the best solution. You can have a 3 way at WM with Cena/RVD/HHH, with Cena as a tweener, RVD the face, and HHH the heel. Doesn't that beat the lame 1 on 1 match (that would bury RVD in the process)? It's obvious from that wwe.com poll that fans certainly would accept RVD in that position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2006 This card isn't in absolute dire straits until they announce HHH vs. Cena and Orton vs. Angle as the main events. Somehow I can't help but think that a light will go off before then and they'll say "Wait up, we can't have two heels win the titles at WM." Cause right now those two title matches have essentially no one to cheer. First off, within what they have sorta set up here's what I'd do: --Rey must win at No Way Out. This isn't an issue. Orton/Angle has all the appeal of a damp rag. Let Rey retain his shot and go to WM, dedicate his match to Eddie, and pull off the mega huge win. Then you can go back to Orton/Rey or whatever. --The Raw tourney must end in a screwy non decision with RVD and HHH. Since I doubt HHH would accept being in the midcard this is the best solution. You can have a 3 way at WM with Cena/RVD/HHH, with Cena as a tweener, RVD the face, and HHH the heel. Doesn't that beat the lame 1 on 1 match (that would bury RVD in the process)? It's obvious from that wwe.com poll that fans certainly would accept RVD in that position. What the fans want and what Triple H wants, aren't the same. Only one, has any say in the matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Si82 0 Report post Posted February 8, 2006 Save Wrestlemania, Could you do it? Jesus couldn't save this Wrestlemania. He's already in the main event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted February 9, 2006 How about saving WM 23 in Detroit? We might have another WM 7 on our hands at the rate things are going. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedJed 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 The only logical things I can figure with the ME stuff is this, and keep in mind this is me trying to stay as close to reality as possible given where they are obviously going with things already (Orton and HHH likely going over) but there are some glaring problems but most can be compromised with something like this, and I think it would really make the show interesting at least in the upper card. Basically you announce that on both shows, due to the title contendership situation up in arms (from events at SNME and No Way Out) that both title matches will be under fatal four way and triple threat rules respectively with these matches...this will tie in the shitty matches/ideas into only one at least and make for something more interesting with them if they must go in this direction. World Title Angle v. Orton v. Rey v. Taker WWE Title Cena v. HHH v. Edge Then you book under Hogan v. Foley or if you dont need Hogan's BS just do Foley/HBK v. Shane/Vince MITB Interpromotional Ladder Match RVD v. Benoit v. Benjamin v. Booker T v. Flair v. JBL Move Henry down the card to feud with Lashley Show/Kane v. MNM - Interpromotional title v. title to unify tag belts Trish v. Mickie James - Women's title CW Gaunlet Match w/ Helms, Knoble, Kash, Crazy, Psicosis, London, etc, etc Do some goofy interpromotional match like Boogeyman v. Carlito w/ Shaq helping to build up the match pre-Mania, thats about everyone covered that deserves a spot or at worst is over enough to deserve a spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prophet of Mike Zagurski 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 How do you know two heels are going to win titles at WM? I could see Randy tap out to the Anklelock. I miss long build ups to WM matches. Only Vince/HBK has any build up to it. Orton should win the title now and job to Rey at WM. Cena vs HHH will suck because I can't think of any reason...HHH has become a shell of his former self. All he does is want the title and cut promos about it. They just push this match the usual way. HHH will use sledgehammer and Cena will get busted open. Cena will win at Mania and lose the blow off match at Backlash or Badd Blood in HIAC match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 Cena vs HHH will suck because I can't think of any reason...HHH has become a shell of his former self. All he does is want the title and cut promos about it. ...and constantly talks about how no one is more dedicated to the business than him, as if Benoit and Angle aren't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrestlefreak 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 No matter how bad the card is, every Mania has a couple of good matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommytomlin 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 I think a way to salvage RAW's main event, at least, would be to replicate the Wrestlemania X World Title scenario. Have Edge fight Mick Foley at the start of the show, then Cena/Triple H with the winner of that match facing Edge in the main event. It would add a bit of unpredictability to the card at least. Obviously, it won't happen, because Edge is not allowed to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrestlefreak 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 Yeah, the've pretty much buried Edge! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 No matter how bad the card is, every Mania has a couple of good matches. WM1, 4, 9, disagree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 I guess I'll go into my question about WM 23 because I have a feeling that some of the things being done for Mania this year might explain why guys like Cena and Orton are in the main events. WrestleMania 23 is supposedly going to be promoted as the 20th anniversary of Hogan slamming Andre the Giant. It's going to take place in Detroit. Now, if Hogan and Austin aren't scheduled for WM 22 maybe just maybe Vince is thinking long term and will use the match at WM 23. The same with HBK/Bret. I know about all of the problems surrounding this match from ever happening as well. However, I bet Vince will throw tons of money at Hogan, Austin, HBK, and Bret to do these matches to sell out Ford Field and at least try to surpass the biggest Mania of all-time in WM 3. It could be a 2 year build up for the event. Hogan has already challenged Austin on HomeComing and we have not seen both men since. Vince vs. HBK is brewing at the moment and HBK has already stated he will become a part timer after Mania. So, what better way to have HBK return in a special attraction against Bret next year and Hogan/Austin being pushed as the biggest match since Hogan/Andre? In the meantime, get the younger guys over like Randy Orton and John Cena in the meantime which would explain why the wwe has Orton and Cena pegged for the main events of this year's Mania. Bring in The Rock next year to face one of the two and that's your third big match for WM 23. Anyone think that maybe some of this theory I have come up with might explain some of the wwe's actions? I know they aren't famous for booking long term, but it does seem like they do for certain things like HHH/Cena and Orton in the main event of Mania this year which have been rumoured for months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 I guess I'll go into my question about WM 23 because I have a feeling that some of the things being done for Mania this year might explain why guys like Cena and Orton are in the main events. WrestleMania 23 is supposedly going to be promoted as the 20th anniversary of Hogan slamming Andre the Giant. It's going to take place in Detroit. Now, if Hogan and Austin aren't scheduled for WM 22 maybe just maybe Vince is thinking long term and will use the match at WM 23. The same with HBK/Bret. I know about all of the problems surrounding this match from ever happening as well. However, I bet Vince will throw tons of money at Hogan, Austin, HBK, and Bret to do these matches to sell out Ford Field and at least try to surpass the biggest Mania of all-time in WM 3. It could be a 2 year build up for the event. Hogan has already challenged Austin on HomeComing and we have not seen both men since. Vince vs. HBK is brewing at the moment and HBK has already stated he will become a part timer after Mania. So, what better way to have HBK return in a special attraction against Bret next year and Hogan/Austin being pushed as the biggest match since Hogan/Andre? In the meantime, get the younger guys over like Randy Orton and John Cena in the meantime which would explain why the wwe has Orton and Cena pegged for the main events of this year's Mania. Bring in The Rock next year to face one of the two and that's your third big match for WM 23. Anyone think that maybe some of this theory I have come up with might explain some of the wwe's actions? I know they aren't famous for booking long term, but it does seem like they do for certain things like HHH/Cena and Orton in the main event of Mania this year which have been rumoured for months. The problem with this is that Austin won't work with Hogan, Bret won't come back under any circumstances and the Rock has a lot better things to do than work another match. Other than that, good job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 I think the Bret Hart scenario is the real barrier to this for real. He really does look like he is sticking to his principles unlike his colleagues ranging from Piper to Foley to Hogan. The only other person who seems to stick to his principles about not returning is Ultimate Warrior. I just got to believe that Vince has a reason why he is so hell bent on keeping Cena face where even HHH is defending the fans turning on the guy on Angle not being a good heel against him. The argument went as far as using Edge's recent work as proof that Angle did not do his job correctly in having fans rally behind Cena. Why not just tween him or turn him heel? The Rock I don't see as too much of a problem for a big time show such as celebrating WM 3 if the wwe does something good for him at the event. If I was a betting man, I would just build Cena into a monster heel and put him against The Rock next year. It "could" have the same type of appeal of Rock/Hogan where the preceeding top star faces the old guard. Hell, Rock may be the only guy who can get fans to look at Cena differently. I don't think HHH or anyone else currently on the roster can change the fans' perception of Cena. He needs one of the guys from the attitude era helping him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech Tremendous 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 Yeah Bret Hart is a barrier because HE IS NOT COMING BACK. You mention in your original post that he could come back for a match against HBK. Do you realize that Bret cannot work a match? He can't take a punch, a bump or anything. He could maybe do a retirement speech and that's it... he has reiterated the same in every interview. It's a pipe dream to put him in any scenario involving wrestling. I can't really foresee any situation where the Rock would come back either. He is in a completely different stratosphere at this point. Why would he want to jeopardize his career by lowering himself to working with the WWE again? There is no upside for him to work a show at this point, regardless of his love for the profession. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedJed 0 Report post Posted February 10, 2006 I think if Rock's movie career starts to fizzle out (and correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt Doom basically bomb in the box office?) there is no question he'll come back to wrestling, but its questionable if it would be to WWE (which seems the most likely deal), TNA, or another upstart by whenever that time is that he's done the movie thing and is interested in coming back to the business. I definately also wouldnt count him out on Mania 23, as long as he doesnt have any movie committments and/or if him and Vince made a deal soon (as in within the next few months) to schedule it long in advance. I could most certainly see an Orton/Rock match (battle of the 3rd generation guys) at Mania 23 if the plan is to really move Orton up this year and continue into the next. Thats a money match right there that just makes perfect sense tying into the 3rd gen deal. As far as Bret, all we can hope to even see from him is a nod at the HOF and then an appearance at Mania to coincide with that, and at very most, very slim to none though, he shows up during HBK/Vince and likely just stands there and distracts whoever. He can't physically work a match, and even if he were to, I'd be inclined to think it would actually be in TNA or else against Angle. He's just not even going to go there and work a match with Vince or HBK, no way. Might as well all start accepting that. The Austin-Hogan thing may formulate by next year, and I would imagine since it really fell apart this year, that it will be on the agenda to try to put together by then. I still dont see it happening unless Hogan and Austin become best buds as there is going to be politics like crazy in even trying to pencil in that match, as we've seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2006 The Rock has about as good of a chance of going to TNA as Vince Young does of going to the Arena Football League. It's just never going to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericho2000Mark 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2006 I think the Bret Hart scenario is the real barrier to this for real. He really does look like he is sticking to his principles unlike his colleagues ranging from Piper to Foley to Hogan. The only other person who seems to stick to his principles about not returning is Ultimate Warrior. I just got to believe that Vince has a reason why he is so hell bent on keeping Cena face where even HHH is defending the fans turning on the guy on Angle not being a good heel against him. The argument went as far as using Edge's recent work as proof that Angle did not do his job correctly in having fans rally behind Cena. Why not just tween him or turn him heel? The Rock I don't see as too much of a problem for a big time show such as celebrating WM 3 if the wwe does something good for him at the event. If I was a betting man, I would just build Cena into a monster heel and put him against The Rock next year. It "could" have the same type of appeal of Rock/Hogan where the preceeding top star faces the old guard. Hell, Rock may be the only guy who can get fans to look at Cena differently. I don't think HHH or anyone else currently on the roster can change the fans' perception of Cena. He needs one of the guys from the attitude era helping him. The fans would shit on Cena moreso if he faced The Rock, or Hogan, or Austin... He needs a heel turn to get his "edge" back, then when he starts drawing face reactions again, don't change his character, just change his opponents to heels. That's basically what they did to Austin in '97, and Rock in '99, and we all know how well that turned out. Not that I'm saying Cena is anything close to Rock or Austin... I think if Rock's movie career starts to fizzle out (and correct me if I'm wrong, but didnt Doom basically bomb in the box office?) there is no question he'll come back to wrestling, but its questionable if it would be to WWE (which seems the most likely deal), TNA, or another upstart by whenever that time is that he's done the movie thing and is interested in coming back to the business. I definately also wouldnt count him out on Mania 23, as long as he doesnt have any movie committments and/or if him and Vince made a deal soon (as in within the next few months) to schedule it long in advance. I could most certainly see an Orton/Rock match (battle of the 3rd generation guys) at Mania 23 if the plan is to really move Orton up this year and continue into the next. Thats a money match right there that just makes perfect sense tying into the 3rd gen deal. The Rundown and Walking Tall basically bombed at the box office too, but they did incredibly well on DVD and managed to turn around a decent profit. Rock isn't going anywhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 11, 2006 The Rock has about as good of a chance of going to TNA as Vince Young does of going to the Arena Football League. It's just never going to happen. Excellent analogy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Epic Reine 0 Report post Posted February 12, 2006 The Rock is pretty much an A-List celebrity in hollywood and actually co-stars with A-list actors and actresses. Unlikeguys who did movies like Hogan and Piper, The Rock is a hollywood favorite that doesn't get shitted on and has a lot of big movies coming up, not straight to DVD releases so as far as Rock coming back to wrestling, it would have for a few years at the very least, even for one time shots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2006 Yeah Bret Hart is a barrier because HE IS NOT COMING BACK. We should keep this option open I know about his physical state although he HAS said he is not that badly off as people think on TSN's sportsdesk around fall time in 2004-winter 2005 when promoting that Alladin thing. Vince vs. Bret with one punch, kick, and sharpshooter may be all that's needed. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I wouldn't put it past Vince or a wrestler to go against logic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dr Stupid Report post Posted February 20, 2006 If Taker/Angle were allowed to work something of the quality they gave us at NWO, but with a different spin to keep it fresh, that would be well on the way to saving WM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dandy 0 Report post Posted February 20, 2006 Okay, I haven't read all the posts, so I apologize if any or all of this has been said already. I am not only picking the matches, but the winners as well, which I feel is necessary to save this Wrestlemania. WWE Championship © John Cena vs. Triple H Cage Match---Pinfall/Submission only (Cena requests the old school blue bars) World Championship © Kurt Angle vs. Randy Orton vs. Rey Mysterio Job vs. The Streak Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker w/ Vince McMahon Vince forces Taker to wrestle Michaels. If HBK loses, he is fired. The Legend Returns Hulk Hogan vs. JBL Money in the Bank Shelton Benjamin vs. RVD vs. Chavo vs. Matt Hardy vs. Paul Burchill vs. Bobby Lashley RVD wins and uses his title shot at the ECW show. Edge vs. Mick Foley Kane vs. Big Show US Title © Chris Benoit vs. Finlay vs. William Regal Cruiserweight Title---6-Pack Elimination Match © Gregory Helms vs. Jamie Noble vs. Brian Kendrick vs. Paul London vs. Kid Kash vs. Nunzio Booker T vs. The Boogeyman Women's Title ©Trish Stratus vs. Mickie James WWE Tag Titles © MNM vs. Gymini vs. The Dicks vs. The Mexicools That is 12 matches, and you might have one of them on Heat. I think this would blow the current card out of the water if the matches turned out good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dam(o)nYankees Report post Posted February 20, 2006 Have Orton out the spot up against Rey and the Undertaker at the Supershow. Before the match, have Orton remind Booker of the favor. During the match, have Booker run out and intentionally nail Orton (If you want to say Booker is upset over the Eddy thing, so be it) leading to a Last Ride/Seated Senton double pin, putting Rey and Taker in the main event. Turn the T'S~! face for an Orton Mania program where they constantly make fun of his lack of charisma and stupid pose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dr Stupid Report post Posted February 20, 2006 Job vs. The Streak Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker w/ Vince McMahon Vince forces Taker to wrestle Michaels. If HBK loses, he is fired. I hadn't thought of that. It puts a bit more into the storyline, but it still seems to me that Taker could do a great match with Angle or Benoit. (Plus we don't have to see Vince wrestle!!!!) You know, if it was Bishoff instead of Vince, Shawn would be facing KAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
