benoit4hor 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2006 At times it seemed as if the WWE was heading in a direction where RAW would be the "Sports Entertainment" show and Smackdown would be the "Wrestling" show, but it didnt' turn out that way. If they wanted to appease both the Smark fans and the Marks that would be the easiest way to do it. I think it would be interesting to see which show would get the most interest. Do you think if Smackdown was a wrestling/workrate based brand, featuring mat wrestling,crusiers, and stiff brawling. While RAW was a storyline/charactor driven brand featuring divas, gimmick wrestlers, and wild stories the WWE would be better off? Here's how I'd split the rosters according to who is listed at WWE.com RAW GM Mr. McMahon Wrestlers Big Show Boogeyman Carlito Chris Masters Edge Gene Snitsky Goldust Gymini Hulk Hogan Joey Mercury John Cena Johnny Nitro Kane Lance Cade Lashley Mark Henry Mick Foley Orlando Jordan Randy Orton Rene Dupree Ric Flair Road Warrior Animal Rosey Scotty 2 Hotty Shawn Michaels Stone Cold Sylvan Tatanka The Rock Triple H Tyson Tomko Undertaker Viscera Vito Women Ashley Candice Jillian Kristal Lita Melina Mickie James Stacy Keibler Torrie Wilson w/ Chloe Trish Stratus Victoria Commentators Jerry Lawler Michael Cole Jonathan Coachman Ring Announcer Lilian Garcia Backstage Interviewers Maria Todd Grisham Smackdown GM Theodore Long Wrestlers Booker T Brian Kendrick Chavo Guerrero Chris Benoit Daivari Danny Basham Doug Basham Eugene as Nick Dinsmore Finlay Funaki Gregory Helms Hardcore Holly Jamie Noble JBL Johnny Parisi Ken Kennedy Kid Kash Kurt Angle Matt Hardy Matt Striker Nunzio Paul Burchill Paul London Psicosis Rey Mysterio Rob Conway Rob Van Dam Shelton Benjamin Simon Dean Spirit Squad without the gimmick Steven Richards Super Crazy Trevor Murdoch Val Venis William Regal Women Sharmell Commentators Joey Styles Tazz Ring Announcer Steve Romero Backstage Interviewers Josh Mathews Kristal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2006 It's fairly easy to appease both smarks and marks. It's called "putting out a quality product." The WWF appeased the marks in 2000 by featuring several compelling storylines and giving the most time to the workers that could talk and had a presence in the ring and on the screen. They appeased the smarks by featuring good matches every week, and the storylines, more often than not, made sense. HOW TO APPEASE BOTH: -Push those that can "talk the talk" AND "walk the walk" -Cycle people into the main event to help get them over -Put on good matches -Make sure the storylines make sense to new and longtime viewers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dangerous A 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2006 WWE will always try to appease the marks, or at least do what they think marks would like. Smarks, at least a high percentage, will always buy what WWE sells no matter how bad things are. It's the marks who's money counts most in WWE's eyes since they also outnumber the smarks by about 10 to 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted February 24, 2006 I was rolling on the floor laughing when you put the Bashems, Holly, JBL, Ken Kennedy, Simon Dean and Booker T in the "workrate" side and Edge, Orton, HBK and MNM in the "Sports entertanment side" Jesus that was a good one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2006 Because the Bashams, Booker T and JBL are bad wrestlers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benoit4hor 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2006 I was rolling on the floor laughing when you put the Bashems, Holly, JBL, Ken Kennedy, Simon Dean and Booker T in the "workrate" side and Edge, Orton, HBK and MNM in the "Sports entertanment side" Jesus that was a good one. Well going on the fact I hardly see Smackdown because it's never on here, I was going by... Everyone claims the Bashams were really good in OVW, Holly & JBL can both put on a good brawl and would match up well with Regal, Benoit, Finlay. I've never seen Kennedy, and Simon & Booker have both shown they can work. Edge's Rated "R" superstar is a good entertaining gimmick and he's not that great a worker, Orton is not a great worker, HBK is a "Sports Entertainment" wrestler and I dont see Nitro or Mercury putting on any mat classics, plus they have a entertaining gimmick. IMO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2006 MNM should be on SmackDown, Kennedy on Raw, maybe Holly too. The rest are fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2006 Moving certain wrestlers to one particular brand in an effort to appeal to a certain demographic of wrestling fan (smark/mark) is fruitless because it's the exact same hierarchy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
benoit4hor 0 Report post Posted February 24, 2006 Not if they let the fans dictate Smackdowns pushes. While they did it their way on RAW. Hell I'm surprised they don't because RAW will probably always have a higher rating and it would be a good way for Vince to say "see the fans don't know what they want" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted February 25, 2006 Almost everyone has a charicter in WWE. HHH is not some over the top Sports Entertanment charicter. You just dont think he is good in the ring, so you put him on RAW. Just like Helms has a charicter, but you think he is a good wrestler, so he is on your "workrate" side. Almost EVERYONE has a "charicter" in WWE. Now if you want to make it Sportz Entertanment vs Wrestling, fine. Then what th3 fuck is a guy who comes out a Purple Jumpsuit selling a Diet Pill doing on your Workrate show? And HBK has NEVER had a Sports Entertanment charicter. EVER. Next off, you think Holly and JBL can put on good enough brawls to warrent a workrate vote but Randy Orton isnt good enough? What the fuck are you on? Edge's charicter is a simple, basic charicter man. Its not even close to SE, its juts a guy who thinks he is the best and will go to extreme lengths to prove it. Combine that with a man with a short fuse who will blow, and you got Edge. Its not SE, not at all. And while I am at it, would someone tell the IWC that Booker T is a peice of shit. PLEASE. He is fucking lazy, slow, plodding, sloppy and boring. Yah, alright, he was good in 1998. JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE ITS 2006. You have never seens Kenendy and are going on OVW for Bashems? Fine. Kennedy is a great SE gimmcik, but it is very SE. He is done little if anything note worthy in the ring. Bashems have been boring in the WWE, showing very little of their OVW promise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dam(o)nYankees Report post Posted February 25, 2006 I was rolling on the floor laughing when you put the Bashems, Holly, JBL, Ken Kennedy, Simon Dean and Booker T in the "workrate" side and Edge, Orton, HBK and MNM in the "Sports entertanment side" Jesus that was a good one. Orton is neither a good worker nor entertaining, but guys like HBK and MNM can really do both. You sort of need them to help out the "entertainment" side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Princess Leena Report post Posted February 25, 2006 I was rolling on the floor laughing when you put the Bashems, Holly, JBL, Ken Kennedy, Simon Dean and Booker T in the "workrate" side and Edge, Orton, HBK and MNM in the "Sports entertanment side" Jesus that was a good one. Orton is neither a good worker nor entertaining, but guys like HBK and MNM can really do both. You sort of need them to help out the "entertainment" side. Where would you place Test, AS? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whizzo Report post Posted February 25, 2006 If the women are on raw and you want melina on raw then MNM have to be on raw with her. Its that simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dam(o)nYankees Report post Posted February 25, 2006 If the women are on raw and you want melina on raw then MNM have to be on raw with her. Its that simple. I wanna see some more Melina vs. Trish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted February 25, 2006 And while I am at it, would someone tell the IWC that Booker T is...fucking lazy, slow, plodding, sloppy and boring. But isn't this the basic main event character model? Slower than a bottle of Vermont Maple Syrup and more predictable than an episode of COPS? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dam(o)nYankees Report post Posted February 25, 2006 Next off, you think Holly and JBL can put on good enough brawls to warrent a workrate vote but Randy Orton isnt good enough? What the fuck are you on? Orton is all the worst aspects of WWE Christian without the mic skills or charisma. A basic Orton match consists of chinlocks, whacky faces, chinlocks with whacky faces incorporated to try and fool us into thinking its not a chinlock, and the most absurd, business exposing selling this side of the women. He sends himself flopping every which way on moves, often in the exact opposite direction that the momentum of the move should be sending him. Yes, he can have good matches with Foley and Benoit, but all that confirms is that he's not, in fact, Billy Gunn. He's not the worst guy in the company, but he's certainly not one of the better ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
