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Just to point this out, the marky-ist city in America, that was rabid for Cena...didn't even react to Orton's dastardly run-in.

 

If mark-city doesn't give a shit that you put down the very over star...you really aren't over.

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Okay, we got that match out of our systems, now lets never ask for it again.

Wow, the internet really can turn on anyone. :rolleyes:

I'm not turning on anyone. The match sucked. Everyone more or less knew it would suck going in, and they didn't disprove anything. RVD and shelton shouldn't be depushed over this, but they certainly dont need to face eachother ever again.

 

I was commenting on how everyone made up their minds the match would suck before it even started. Given that as recently as 6 weeks ago Shelton Benjamin was pretty revered around here, and now people are getting pissed off that Shelton's comedy-relief storyline mother isn't making an appearance...I'd certainly call that turning on him.

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Just to point this out, the marky-ist city in America, that was rabid for Cena...didn't even react to Orton's dastardly run-in.

 

If mark-city doesn't give a shit that you put down the very over star...you really aren't over.

He really is the Crowd Killer.

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I think it has more to do with Shelton being saddled with a piss-poor gimmick that even experienced wrestlers would have trouble pulling off; ie, if they had any brains/pull, they'd outright refuse it.

 

I find Shelton boring now, because his character seems to be a rehash of every version of heel that Chris Jericho has portrayed since the heyday of WCW.

 

WCW proved that a match with two accomplished "high-flyers" can make very good matches, with their "Reign of the Luchadores" era.

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Okay, we got that match out of our systems, now lets never ask for it again.

Wow, the internet really can turn on anyone. :rolleyes:

I'm not turning on anyone. The match sucked. Everyone more or less knew it would suck going in, and they didn't disprove anything. RVD and shelton shouldn't be depushed over this, but they certainly dont need to face eachother ever again.

 

I was commenting on how everyone made up their minds the match would suck before it even started.

We were right. Shelton and RVD was probably the worst combination they could come up with. One has a problem with botching spots and the other is strictly a spot machine. That's not turning on him. That's recognizing the obvious.

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Damn hicks.

 

A crowd that doesn't react the way YOU want them to is better than a completely dead crowd.

I have no desire to watch any kind of encounter between these two without an anti-Cena crowd. Its boring as all shit otherwise.

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Okay, we got that match out of our systems, now lets never ask for it again.

Wow, the internet really can turn on anyone. :rolleyes:

I'm not turning on anyone. The match sucked. Everyone more or less knew it would suck going in, and they didn't disprove anything. RVD and shelton shouldn't be depushed over this, but they certainly dont need to face eachother ever again.

 

I was commenting on how everyone made up their minds the match would suck before it even started.

We were right. Shelton and RVD was probably the worst combination they could come up with. One has a problem with botching spots and the other is strictly a spot machine. That's not turning on him. That's recognizing the obvious.

 

Come WM, they will get to do their spots and the botches will be ignored and everyone, once they stop bitching about Flair going over will praise these two for being the "BEST ATHLETES IN THE WWE! THEY SHOULD MAIN EVENT WM23!!" and forget this abomination of a match existed today.

 

I mean, shit, even AJ Styles can have a good match with fellow spot monkeys. Shelton and RVD couldn't.

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Shelton can be pretty good when he's not trying to do spot after spot after spot, and well, at least Rob's over.

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Flair isn't remotely winning the MITB. I'm assuming with RVD jobbing tonight he is a no brainer winner to take the MITB. Just wondering but why exactly does everyone on here seem to think Flair is going to win this match? What possible sense would it make? The guy is 57 years old and we already know from the Edge TLC match he can't climb a ladder with any speed whatsoever. He's going to do that slow climb and somehow not have any 1 of 5 other guys knock him down? It ain't believable.

 

Can we really judge this matchup on what we got tonight? I mean let's face it, we had a match interrupted by a commercial break leading up to a Flair run in for the finish. I don't want to see this match again either, but for other reasons. Namely that I can't stomach seeing Van Dam fuck around going after the IC title for the umpteenth time, particularly after he got so close to winning the WM tourney.

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Shelton and RVD was probably the worst combination they could come up with.

 

That's such an ignorant comment I don't even know where to begin.

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Damn hicks.

 

A crowd that doesn't react the way YOU want them to is better than a completely dead crowd.

I have no desire to watch any kind of encounter between these two without an anti-Cena crowd. Its boring as all shit otherwise.

 

Judging from your posts (& I don't know if anyone else notices too), you SERIOUSLY hate John Cena. So much to the point where I have to wonder if he ever did anything to you personally. Out of sheer curiosity (not shitting you at all), did he?

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Since I live in Arizona, and on Mountain Time, were Edge & Lita on RAW, tonight? Was there any sort of major hype for the Hardcore Match at Wrestlemania?

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Shelton and RVD was probably the worst combination they could come up with.

 

That's such an ignorant comment I don't even know where to begin.

Can you think of a grouping that would have exposed both guys worse?

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Damn hicks.

 

A crowd that doesn't react the way YOU want them to is better than a completely dead crowd.

I have no desire to watch any kind of encounter between these two without an anti-Cena crowd. Its boring as all shit otherwise.

 

Judging from your posts (& I don't know if anyone else notices too), you SERIOUSLY hate John Cena. So much to the point where I have to wonder if he ever did anything to you personally. Out of sheer curiosity (not shitting you at all), did he?

I'm annoyed that his response to the biggest push for anyone in years is given to a guy half assing it every week.

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Can we really judge this matchup on what we got tonight?
Same way we can judge any other match.

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Shelton and RVD was probably the worst combination they could come up with.

 

That's such an ignorant comment I don't even know where to begin.

Can you think of a grouping that would have exposed both guys worse?

 

Yes. Insert any single guy from tonight's main event against RVD and you'd have gotten a far worse showing. The match wasn't as bad as you're making it out to be.

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I'm guessing this Raw will finally get below a 4.0 rating this year, a 3.8 rating (which is equivalent to like a 3.3 or 3.4 rating before 2006, when at the start of this year, apparently TIVO started factored into the ratings), so if Raws gets that rating, not good going into WM.

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Shelton and RVD was probably the worst combination they could come up with.

 

That's such an ignorant comment I don't even know where to begin.

Can you think of a grouping that would have exposed both guys worse?

 

Yes. Insert any single guy from tonight's main event against RVD and you'd have gotten a far worse showing. The match wasn't as bad as you're making it out to be.

All those people have had matches with Rob (some very recently) that haven't sucked as hard as this did. When Rob is wrestling, more often than not the other guy needs to be able to ground him or the match falls apart.

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Ahh... I see, it's the "what have you done for me lately" fan.

No, I'm a "those two just stunk up the ring and everyone saw it coming" fan

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Up and down Raw for sure but how bizzare to see Verne Gagne being inducted into a WWE HOF, and then to have the shitty ass son wrestler who works at a Twin Cities car dealership (I shit you not, bought my vehicle from him) to be the one inducting him. When I bought my car from Greg a few years ago he was shitting on WWE whenever he could get a chance. But money is money, these guys' will just be this years' Paul Orndorff.

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Guest Rrrsh

After reading this thread, I really hope someone just bans Angelsault for being a douchebag.

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