Zarqawi's dead!

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I didn't literally mean they should do that guys. I just think they need to keep sending the message to the other Al-Quaeda scum that this is how they'll end up if they continue opposing the US.

[Guest JustPassinBy]

I could post this thread in a "Reasons why the world hates America" forum and you'd all still be clueless as to why.

 

But hey, one towel-head down, right!?

 

I suggest turning off Air America.

Try giving "reality" a second chance.

[Failed Bridge 0]

Pretty sure Curry was referring to the jingoistic reaction to this sort of news. (see: Deon and Invader's response).

 

Oh, and apparently a woman and child were also killed in the bombing

 

Yeah it was his family. It's a damn shame but the problem being he has been taking his family with him everywhere he went. Odds are his death will also lead to the execution of the hostage they have as well. So pretty much, three innocents will die but it was getting to be a situation where they finally knew where he was going to be without doubt and went with it.

 

Damn shame though.

If TV, and 24 in general have taught us anything its the family always comes back for revenge. Did you want to deal with Dennis Hopper later on? I certainly didn't.

[Slayer 0]

If TV, and 24 in general have taught us anything its the family always comes back for revenge.

Don't forget the Jaws sequels

[Gary Floyd 0]

Good to see he's dead. Now my dream of America battling terrorists turned into flesh eating zombies comes closer to coming true.

[Guest Felonies!]

But hey, one towel-head down, right!?

I know! How dare they kill this peaceful, hard working, and loving family man! Huh? What's that you say? He devised plans that lead to the gruesome and heartless deaths of hundreds (perhaps thousands in the end) of people? Oh...well he's still human and doesn't deserve that regardless!

 

</People like Curry>

Yeah, I think he missed the point. However, Hacksaw Deon Duggan isn't really doing anyone any favors here.

 

Anyway, it's gonna take a lot more than some Zucchini guy to impress Al Franken, I can tell you that much right now.

[Failed Bridge 0]

If TV, and 24 in general have taught us anything its the family always comes back for revenge.

Don't forget the Jaws sequels

Jaws vs Seaworld and Jaws vs Michael Cane should be erased from existence.

[Guest LiveFastDieNever]

Pretty sure Curry was referring to the jingoistic reaction to this sort of news. (see: Deon and Invader's response).

 

Oh, and apparently a woman and child were also killed in the bombing

 

Yeah it was his family. It's a damn shame but the problem being he has been taking his family with him everywhere he went. Odds are his death will also lead to the execution of the hostage they have as well. So pretty much, three innocents will die but it was getting to be a situation where they finally knew where he was going to be without doubt and went with it.

 

Damn shame though.

If TV, and 24 in general have taught us anything its the family always comes back for revenge. Did you want to deal with Dennis Hopper later on? I certainly didn't.

 

 

Yeah, but they've also taught us that Jack fucking Bauer is on the case. We're cool.

 

Wait . . . it's not a documentary?

[SuperJerk 0]

But hey, one towel-head down, right!?

I know! How dare they kill this peaceful, hard working, and loving family man! Huh? What's that you say? He devised plans that lead to the gruesome and heartless deaths of hundreds (perhaps thousands in the end) of people? Oh...well he's still human and doesn't deserve that regardless!

 

</People like Curry>

Yeah, I think he missed the point. However, Hacksaw Deon Duggan isn't really doing anyone any favors here.

 

Anyway, it's gonna take a lot more than some Zucchini guy to impress Al Franken, I can tell you that much right now.

 

I think Curry is just disputing whether or not the average American had any good reason to want this guy dead, since America invaded his country and not the other way around.

 

My answer to that would be that, while our reasons for overthrowing Saddam Hussein's regime are suspect, that doesn't give Zarqawi the right to murder innocent people. The insurgents are trying to impose their will on a democratically elected Iraqi government through the use of fear and violence. Maybe instead of blowing up cars and beheading people, they should try to work within the new system - a system which gives them more of a say in the government than they've had at any time in their lives. As much as I disagree with the decision to go to war in the first place, the insurgents are not innocent Iraqi freedom fighters. They are a minority of extremists that would rather kill than cooperate with a government their own people elected.

[Art Sandusky 0]

Yeah, it's a good thing that we got him, and people need to get this. Enough of this "yeah....okay....but YOU DIDN'T GET BIN LADEN NOW DID YOU" crap. You guys don't need to challenge and question every single thing that happens in Iraq. There are some good things coming out of this mess, and this happened to be one of them.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Hacksaw Deon Duggan

 

Awesome.

[snuffbox 0]

Yeah, it's a good thing that we got him, and people need to get this. Enough of this "yeah....okay....but YOU DIDN'T GET BIN LADEN NOW DID YOU" crap. You guys don't need to challenge and question every single thing that happens in Iraq. There are some good things coming out of this mess, and this happened to be one of them.

 

Well said.

 

I also like that Bush has sounded like a reponsible, thoughtful man in the aftermath of Zarqawi's death...no 'bring em on!' kind of rhetoric. He made a few intelligent, low-keyed statements, thanked the troops, and left it at that. Possibly his most statesman-like moment of this war.

[Failed Bridge 0]

he's already been replaced

 

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[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

The Timely Death

Of al-Zarqawi

By Chris Floyd

6-11-6

 

 

Abu Musab Saddam Osama al-Zarqawi, the extremely elusive if not entirely mythical terrorist mastermind responsible for every single insurgent action in Iraq except for the ones caused by the red-tailed devils in Iran or the stripey-tailed devils in Syria, has reportedly been killed in an airstrike in Hibhib, an area north of Baghdad, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki announced today.

 

Zarqawi, the notorious shape-shifter who, according to grainy video evidence, was able to regenerate lost limbs, speak in completely different accents, alter the contours of his bone structure and also suffered an unfortunate binge-and-purge weight problem which caused him to change sizes with almost every appearance, was head of an organization that quite fortuitously dubbed itself "Al Qaeda in Iraq" just around the time that the Bush Administration began changing its pretext for the conquest from "eliminating Iraq's [non-existent] weapons of mass destruction" to "fighting terrorists over there so we don't have to fight them over here."

 

The name change of the Zarqawi gang from its cumbersome original "The Monotheism and Holy War Group" to the more media-sexy "Qaeda" brand was thus a PR godsend for the Bush Administration, which was then able to associate the widespread native uprising against the Coalition occupation with the cave-dwelling dastards of the bin Laden organization. This proved an invaluable tool for the Pentagon's massive "psy-op" campaign against the American people, which was successful in sufficiently obscuring reality and defusing rising public concerns about what many experts have termed "the full-blown FUBAR" in Iraq until after the 2004 elections.

 

However, in the last year, even the reputed presence of a big stonking al Qaeda beheader guy roaming at will across the land has not prevented a catastrophic drop in support for President Bush in general and the war in Iraq in particular. Polls show that substantial majorities even those still psy-oped into believing the conquest has something to do with fighting terrorism are now saying that the war "is not worth it" and call for American forces to begin withdrawing.

 

With the Zarqawi theme thus producing diminishing returns, the Administration has had another stroke of unexpected luck with his reputed sudden demise. Moreover, the fact that Zarqawi was killed in a military action means that Mr. Bush will not have to cough up the $25 million reward placed on the head of the terrorist chieftain. That money will now be given to Mr. Bush's favorite charity, Upper-Class Twits Against the Inheritance Tax, an Administration spokesman said.

 

Despite its fortuitousness, the reputed death of the multi-legged brigand came as no real surprise. After all, approximately 376 of his "top lieutenants" had been killed or captured by Coalition forces in the past three years, according to press reports, and some 5,997 lower-ranking "al Qaeda terrorists" have been killed in innumerable operations during that same period, according to Pentagon press releases. With the widespread, on-going, much-publicized decimation of his group, Zarqawi had obviously been rendered isolated and ineffective except of course for the relentless series of high-profile terrorist spectaculars he kept carrying out, according to other Pentagon press releases.

 

News of the reputed rub-out brought bipartisan praise. "This enormous victory in the War on Terror is due entirely to the courage and wisdom of the president," squealed Senate Majority Leader Lick Spittle of Tennessee. "He has seen us through when so many of the flag-burning destroyers of marriage wanted to cut and run. I think this president is the best president the world has ever seen, and if I am ever fortunate enough to be chosen as president by the American people minus the three million or so whose votes will be discarded, lost, inadvertently mangled or just ignored, of course I promise I'll be a president just like him!"

 

"We must give credit where credit is due," said Democratic Sen. Joe Biden, in a rare television appearance. "I have my differences with the way the Administration is conducting this war, but the elimination of Zarqawi is, I believe, a turning point, comparable to the capture of Saddam Hussein, the first Iraqi elections, the second Iraqi elections, the formation of the first Iraqi government and the formation of the second Iraqi government. This is not the end, or even the beginning of the end, but it is, I believe, the end of the beginning. And no, I didn't plagiarize that. I made it up my own self."

 

The reputed end of Zarqawi's reign of terror comes a mere four years after U.S. forces had pinpointed his hideout and were prepared to destroy his entire operation, only to be forestalled by the White House. Before the war, Zarqawi and his band of non-Iraqi Islamic extremists had a camp in northern Iraq, in territory controlled by American-backed Kurdish forces, who had wrested it from the hands of Saddam Hussein. U.S. Special Forces, CIA agents and other American personnel had a free hand to operate there; indeed, anti-Saddam Iraqi exiles held open meetings in the territory, safe from the reach of the dictator.

 

In June 2002, American forces had locked in on Zarqawi's location. They prepared a detailed attack plan that would have destroyed the terrorist band. But their request to strike was turned down not once, but twice by the White House. Administration officials feared that such a strike would have muddied the waters in their public relations effort to foment war fever against Saddam's regime.

 

At every turn, the Bush team had painted a picture of Saddam Hussein as a powerful dictator able to threaten the entire world. They had implied, insinuated and sometimes openly declared that he was in league with al Qaeda. But this wildly successful psy-ops campaign would have been undermined by a raid on Zarqawi, which would have exposed the truth: that Saddam was a crippled, toothless despot who had lost control of much of his own land and couldn't even threaten vast enemy armies within his own borders much less his neighbors or the rest of the world. It would have also exposed the fact that the only Islamic terrorists operating on Iraqi soil were in areas controlled by America and its allies which, now that Mr. Bush's invasion has opened the whole country to extremist terror, is still the case.

 

With Zarqawi's Bush-granted liberty reputedly at an end, the Pentagon moved quickly to confirm the identity of the man killed in Hibhib today. At a joint press conference with Prime Minister Maliki, U.S. Gen. George Casey said Zarqawi's body had been identified by "fingerprints, facial recognition and known scars" after a painstaking forensic examination by Lt. Col. Gil Grissom and Major Catherine Willows.

 

In yet another amazing coincidence, the announcement of the death of Zarqawi or somebody just like him came just as Prime Minister Maliki was finally submitting his candidates for the long-disputed posts of defense and interior ministers, which then sailed through parliament after months of deadlock. The fortuitous death also came after perhaps the worst week of bad PR the Bush Administration has endured during the entire war, with an outpouring of stories alleging a number of horrific atrocities committed by U.S. troops in recent months.

 

Oddly enough, Zarqawi first vaulted into the American consciousness just after the public exposure of earlier U.S. atrocities: the tortures at Abu Ghraib prison in the spring of 2004. With story after story of horrible abuse battering the Administration during an election year, Zarqawi, or someone just like him, suddenly appeared with a Grand Guignol production: the beheading of American civilian Nick Berg. This atrocity was instantly seized upon by supporters of the war to justify the "intensive interrogation" of "terrorists" even though the Red Cross had determined that 70 to 90 percent of American captives at that time had committed no crime whatsoever, much less been involved in terrorism, as the notorious anti-war Wall Street Journal reported. Abu Ghraib largely faded from the public eye indeed, it was not mentioned by a single speaker at the Democratic National Convention a few weeks later or raised as an issue during the presidential campaign that year.

 

Today's news has likewise knocked the new atrocity allegations off the front pages, to be replaced with heartening stories of how, as the New York Times reports, Zarqawi's death "appears to mark a major watershed in the war." Thus in his reputed end as in his reputed beginning, the Scarlet Pimpernel of Iraq has, by remarkable coincidence, done yeoman service for the immediate publicity needs of his deadly enemy, the Bush Administration.

 

It is not yet known who will now take Zarqawi's place as the new all-purpose, all-powerful bogeyman solely responsible for every bad thing in Iraq. There were recent indications that Maliki himself was being measured for the post, after he publicly denounced American atrocities and the occupiers' propensity for hair-trigger killing of civilians, but he seems to be back with the program now. Administration insiders are reportedly divided over shifting the horns to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's already much-demonized head, or planting them on extremist Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, or elevating some hitherto unknown local talent or maybe just blaming the whole shebang on Fidel Castro, for old times' sake.

 

The announcement of the new bogeyman is expected sometime in the coming weeks.

 

UPDATE: It looks like the Twits might not get that reward money after all. Prime Minister Maliki said that those who helped locate Zarqawi, or someone just like him, in Hibhib, would get their reward later: "We believe in honoring our commitments." However, the (London) Times' man in Iraq, Ned Parker, tells us that Zazqawi might have been shopped to the Americans by Iraqi insurgents:

 

"One of the most interesting things about the news of his death is the timing. There have been talks going on since the election last December by US and Iraqi officials to try to bring the homegrown insurgency back into the political process. Certainly there was tension between the homegrown Iraqi insurgency and Zarqawi's foreign fighters. So it's possible a deal was finally cut by some branch of the Iraqi insurgency to eliminate al-Zarqawi and rid themselves of his heavy-handed influence."

 

So if Bush does decide to pay off the informants -- and it's his money, after all, not Maliki's; in fact, in today's Iraq, any money that Maliki's government might still have left after three years of occupation rapine is Bush's money too -- but if Zarqawi's rumblers are paid off, then it's likely that Bush will be forking over $25 million to Iraq's Sunni insurgents. That will certainly keep them flush with IEDs for a long time to come. It's FUBAR every which way you turn in Bush's Babylon.

 

Chris Floyd is an American journalist. He writes weekly column for The Moscow Times and is a regular contributor to CounterPunch. His blog, Empire Burlesque, can be found at www.chris-floyd.com.