Hugo Chavez wins reelection in Venezuela

[Brett Favre 0]

The poverty rate in Venezuela was like 80% when he came into power. That's a shitload of people, and to think he could fix that this quickly is absurd. Remember, we had a President who needed extra time in office to get the job done. And whatever, whether you like him or not, it's really irrelevant. He's not the most likeable guy because he's over the top, and sometimes doesn't know when to shut up, but his cause IMO, is good and that far outweighs whatever personality he has.

[Gary Floyd 0]

The poverty rate in Venezuela was like 80% when he came into power. That's a shitload of people, and to think he could fix that this quickly is absurd. Remember, we had a President who needed extra time in office to get the job done. And whatever, whether you like him or not, it's really irrelevant. He's not the most likeable guy because he's over the top, and sometimes doesn't know when to shut up, but his cause IMO, is good and that far outweighs whatever personality he has.

So, when's he going to find a solution to poverty? When will there be free speech in Venezuela?

 

Come on, he's friends with Castro. Don't tell me a guy who's friends with Castro doesn't have some shady goings on.

 

Haven't you ever heard or read interviews with people who left Venezuela with Chavez in power? They hate the man, and for many good reasons.

 

I'm not calling the man the worst human being on Earth. I just refuse to look at him and think "Wow, this guys great for Venezuela", because guess what? He's not as good as you think he is.

[Brett Favre 0]

There's a shitload of free speech in Venezuela. He's one of the few presidents who has a radio show that citizens can call into and state their beef/problem, whatever.

 

Notice how those people have a bunch of money to leave Venezuela. Like I said, the upper rich ass class is pissed off at Chavez. The majority of the country is not rich. Not even close.

[Gary Floyd 0]

There's a shitload of free speech in Venezuela. He's one of the few presidents who has a radio show that citizens can call into and state their beef/problem, whatever.

Yeah, hope some of them enjoy their stay in jail.

 

Look, you aren't convincing anybody, so just quit while you are behind.

 

Again read or listen to interviews with former Venezuelan citizens. There are good reasons for those people leaving, and they don't have a nice thing to say sbout him.

[Brett Favre 0]

Like I said..........

 

The

 

Rich

 

People

 

In

 

Venezuela

 

Hate

 

Chavez.

 

The media is owned by the rich, so they can throw out a bunch of crap out to the public and hope it sticks, and it's working on people like you. Unfortunately for them, the majority of the people are poor and know they are full of crap.

 

Those people left because they are not going to be as rich. That's why they have nothing good to say about him. I need to send you a documentary or something before you tell me i'm not convincing anybody.

[Gary Floyd 0]

It wasn't just the rich who have left because of Chavez. Again, read or listen to interviews with former Venezuelen citizens, because it's not just the rich in venezuela who hate the guy.

 

Again, just stop. Nobody here agrees with you, so I'm going to ask you politely, because I'm not going to stoop to insults, or at least not yet: Please stop.

[Brett Favre 0]

Really? It's not the rich? It must be the poor people who can't afford to feed themselves that found just enough money to get a fucking airplane ticket, fly the US, buy a fucking house and give out an interview. Yes, that must be it.

 

Oooo and no one agrees with me? Geez, I guess that makes me wrong? What the hell kind of argument is that?

[Gary Floyd 0]

Really? It's not the rich? It must be the poor people who can't afford to feed themselves that found just enough money to get a fucking airplane ticket, fly the US, buy a fucking house and give out an interview. Yes, that must be it.

 

Oooo and no one agrees with me? Geez, I guess that makes me wrong? What the hell kind of argument is that?

You still haven't read any of these interviews, have you? Because if not, then I don't see the point of this.

 

Also, are you some pro-socialist type?

[Brett Favre 0]

And you haven't seen any documentaries..so we're square. But again, it's tough to get the media's attention if you're some bum on the street. Chances are, the people that were being interviewed, were pretty wealthy.

 

I'm a capitalism wasn't working in the country so they've got to try something else type.

[DARRYLXWF 0]

Chavez is a ticking time bomb. Venezuala's poverty eradication program is ONLY sponsored through oil revenue. As soon as those prices drop, the poor are only going to go back to their original state. Chavez has only used said revenue to feed the starving and provide free services to those who can't afford it - a worthy cause, but one which fails to PREVENT people from becoming poor in the first place. He offers no ladder to climb out of the same poor cycle - no poor person in Venezuala can become rich.

 

As soon as that oil revenue goes, that country will be left with nothing but a stinking pile of dead people, a failed dictator, and an American neighbour which will sit back and say ' I told you so'.

[Gary Floyd 0]

Cena's Writer: Listen to DARRYLXWF, he points this stuff out better than I do.

 

And you haven't seen any documentaries..so we're square.

 

Yes, because political documentaries are so worth it. Sorry, but if you ask me, it's better to read it for yourself then see a documentary, especially one these days.

[Brett Favre 0]

When you're extending oil to other countries, it's not in danger of anything.

 

And two, it's not a documentary you're going to find on the shelf of Best Buy or anything.

 

And three http://www.americas.org/item_26430, if you'd like to read..

[Big Ol' Smitty 0]

Cena is right about the rich hating Chavez...but significant portions of the middle class also oppose him. He has support from the poor, and that's the majority of Venezuelans. I'm not sure if Floyd is right about people being thrown in jail for criticizing Chavez, I would need to see evidence there. He has changed the constitution and took some other steps toward authoritarianism.

 

Also, "look at the poverty rates" (and not linking to them & showing them) or "watch this documentary" are not good argument techniques, guys.

 

I don't know enough about Chavez's economic policy to agree or disagree with Darryl. I do know that high oil prices have been a major boon to Chavez, as he is the President of the world's 5 biggest oil producer. It's tough for me to blame him for that, especially since he is passing that wealth on to make life better for poor residents.

 

Also, he is much better at PR than President Bush.

[Dr. Zaius 0]

Cena is right about the rich hating Chavez...but significant portions of the middle class also oppose him.

 

Quotes you'll only see on a wrestling board.

[Gary Floyd 0]

Cena is right about the rich hating Chavez...but significant portions of the middle class also oppose him.

 

Quotes you'll only see on a wrestling board.

"The socialist champ is here!"

 

Chavez is holding down the younger talent.

[cbacon 0]

Also, are you some pro-socialist type?

 

Make with the interviews, Floyd.

 

Also, Chavez is one of the funniest comedians working today.

[DARRYLXWF 0]

When you're extending oil to other countries, it's not in danger of anything.

 

That's correct if we assume that time doesn't exist.

 

Fact: Oil isn't going to be the highly priced commodity it is at the moment, nor will it continue to be in such high demand forever. Unless Chavez takes the time to put his eggs in different baskets, the country is heading to a dead end.

[Hogan Made Wrestling 0]

Chavez's southern heel tactics are magnificent. He'd be a great mouthpiece for LAX or something.

[EricMM 0]

If anything, oil's demand is only going up in the future.

 

Even beyond energy concerns, imagine how many resources we would have to do without if we stopped using oil to make things like plastic and fertilizers.

[Shooting Star 0]

That's not true. They tried a fucking coup and none of the people against him (citizens) got sent to jail. If you're following the private owned t.v medias that show all the shit they can to make Chavez look bad, then you're looking at the wrong place because those people are pissed that he's going to spread the wealth around.

 

One of the guys involved in the coup from 2002 is here in Dominican Republic and Chavez asked our president to hand him over and when our presidente refused he stopped sending oil to us....