SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 13, 2007 I never thought I'd say this, but John Boehner makes me miss Newt Gingrich. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Why do so many Republicans keep saying 'Islamist Jihadist'? Is 'Islamist' even a word? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 It's sort of redundant anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Why do so many Republicans keep saying 'Islamist Jihadist'? Is 'Islamist' even a word? Slightly less stupid expression than the ever-moronic "Islamo-fascist" they were test marketing last year. I swear, every year they come up with a new name to call our enemies. Its like this war is being fought by a P.R. firm or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Islamist is a real word. It refers to someone who wants a government based on Islam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 The real question is Jihadist a word? I know Jihad is, but is a Jihadist someone who wants to carry out a jihad no matter what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Both are words, but I just don't like the way one noun ("Islamist") is being used to modify another noun ("Jihadist"). Adjectives are our friends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Oedipus Rex Report post Posted February 14, 2007 But lots of nouns function as adjectives, like tin can, or Republican senator. It's just the cadence and common suffix of "Islamist jihadist" that makes it clunky. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dope Priest Prophecy Report post Posted February 14, 2007 How about "Islamic"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Oedipus Rex Report post Posted February 14, 2007 But then you lose Islamist, which is the part that denotes belief in a Muslim theocracy. All jihadists would be Islamic by definition, since as far as I know, jihad pertains exclusively to Islam, similar to the redundancy in "Christian crusader." Once in 8th grade social studies, this girl was getting pissy and defensive and went "well crucify me to a cross! Jeeeesus!" to which I pointed out that being crucified by definition necessitates a cross, and furthermore, I don't think Jesus would crucify you like you just asked him to. I wasn't explicitly banned from it, but seven years later, I'm playing it safe and not going to her mom's McDonald's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I'm not sure if that's what "Islamist" actually means. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I believe "Islamic Jihadist" would be more correct than "Islamist Jihadist". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricMM 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Come on you guys. Cease. Lets talk about The New Congress. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Main Entry: Is·lam·ism Pronunciation: is-'lä-"mi-z&m, iz-, -'la-; 'iz-l&- Function: noun a popular reform movement advocating the reordering of government and society in accordance with laws prescribed by Islam - Is·lam·ist /-mist/ noun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Nobody wants to tackle the term "Islamo"? Because, seriously, that sounds like the name of one of Skeletor's henchmen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Nobody wants to tackle the term "Islamo"? Because, seriously, that sounds like the name of one of Skeletor's henchmen. Well, "Islamofacsism" is a popular term with at least one conservative radio host. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 ...and the President. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I don't get the "Islamofascism" term because fascism usually connotes an emphasis on the STATE over everything. The crazy folk coming out of Southwest Asia seem to be more theocratic than fascistic. I even heard someone use the term Islamonazism which makes even less sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Yeah, see my post from earlier if you want to know what I think about him doing that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I don't get the "Islamofascism" term because fascism usually connotes an emphasis on the STATE over everything. The crazy folk coming out of Southwest Asia seem to be more theocratic than fascistic. I even heard someone use the term Islamonaziism which makes even less sense. I could see that maybe being used in a historical context. During World War II, a lot of Muslims worked with the Nazis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I'm not going to argue that Islamic Fundamentalism & Nazism don't share some core values, like authoritarianism, militarism, & anti-liberalism (not to mention anti-Semitism), but the parallel doesn't go much further than that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuperJerk 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I'm not going to argue that Islamic Fundamentalism & Nazism don't share some core values, like authoritarianism, militarism, & anti-liberalism (not to mention anti-Semitism), but the parallel doesn't go much further than that. The most obvious major difference was that fascism was a purely secular movement. Everything was done for the glorification of the state. Islamic extremism goes in the complete opposite direction, because the state is only seen as a tool to impose their religious views. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Anyone else actually watching the debate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 I just flipped it on. Snow days rule~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Didn't realize so many R Congressmen are against the surge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Looks like at least a few Republicans were paying attention in November & noticed what mindless toadying can get you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 This could end up being pretty embarassing for both the White House & the people who offered nothing but the exact same talking point rhetoric in their speeches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Wow, snuffy. You're totally right about Ron Paul. At least as far as this issue goes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snuffbox 0 Report post Posted February 14, 2007 Ron Paul bringing the libertarian aspect back to conservatism. Edit - 2 nerds typing at the same time! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
