Disturbing Cinema

[Guest KOR420]

well,Im officialy an idiot i rented Dead Alive thinking i never saw this before and i remember that I have but whatever,it was a good movie anyway

[Guest HANSgerman]

I forget if Scanners was disturbing or just karate. I haven't seen this series forever.  Maybe I'll take a rental on them.

[Guest Ripper]

I can't believe that the word TROMA hasn't been muttered yet.  Killer Condoms, Terror Firmer, Tromeo and Juliet, hell just name one and they are very disturbing.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

Up.  Anyone else got anything they wanna add?

 

And, again, I wanna ask something about the movies I named in the topic post ...

 

Now, I'm no filmological scientificist, so some of these I know of ... but that's the extent of it. So I'm just curious as to  thoughts on any of these. Also, especially if you've seen uncut versions, what do you think are the most sick, vile or graphic instances in each of these movies (without giving spoilers)? How staged does it look? Anything implied or happening off-screen doesn't really count.

 

Any dead animals or animal cruelty and slaughter (even implied or off-screen)? Not that that stuff turns me on and cause sexual arousal! In fact, it causes me to be significantly less aroused!

[Guest Eric the Eagle]

Sorry, haven't seen a single one of them...

 

But to digress (again) - Man, finally someone besides me who has seen Battle Royale!

 

Add it to that list of yours. There is no scene in the world more disturbing than the smile the blood-soaked girl gives in the opening scene. It just gets *more* disturbing after you've actually seen the rest of the movie.

[Guest muzanisa]

Ghosts of the civil dead and Scum both stayed with me a while. Blair Witch could have got me if it hadn't been hyped to death.

 

Caligula, crappy movie, Crash nothing special, Kids I found boring, Last House on the Left was okay but not particualry disturbing, Midnight Express pretty boring, Repulsion I liked

Blood Sucking Freaks, Driller Killer and In Cold Blood I've seen but can remember nothing about them. Man Bites Dog was a bit hokey if thats the one where the film crew is following him.

[Guest razazteca]

all movies written or directed by the guy from KIDS are very disturbing movies especially Gummo.  Paying $12 to have sex with a retard girl is very disturbing!!!!!!!

 

Se7en and 8mm are also very disturbing movies

[Guest]

Man, I've seen most of the movies mentioned here and didn't find any of them that disturbing. I guess I've seen so much it's desensitized me.

[Guest]

if youre looking for animal cruelty, Faces of Death has a fair amount, and Toxic Avenger has some, but make sure you get the unrated version or it will be cut out, along with a lot of the human cruelty

 

porno movies can be pretty disturbing, I might suggest trying some of those... hardcore s &m or scat, or something sick like that

[Guest ArkhamGlobe]

Yes! Battle Royale rocks! Very disturbing, yet also a wickedly funny satire.

[Guest Ravenbomb]

Se7en wasn't disturbing but it was an awesome movie

 

I thought Bleeders was fxcked up

 

For it's time, A Clockwork Orange was fairly disturbing

 

Polish Vampire in Burbank was disturbing on how bad it was

 

There was this one movie where a guy ate his kids hampster live, I forget it's name, but that whole movie was crazy

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Hey, just offering my two cents on some of the movies mentioned here, the majority of which I have yet to see.

 

Requiem for a Dream - I wouldn't call this disturbing so much as I would call it intense.  A barrage on the senses and mind, it's one of my favorite films.  But to whoever called Kids "just another after-school special", what is this? It's basically Reefer Madness done EXTREMELY well to the point that its anti-drug message can be taken seriously.

 

Man Bites Dog - I couldn't stand this movie.  The serial killer was so pretentious and egotistical, and there was nothing in it to make you care about him or any of the victims.  It was just a lot of killing done for no apparent reason, that was attempting to pass itself off as ground-breaking.  Perhaps it was at the time, since it was banned worldwide, but I only like random killings when they're done by INHUMAN monsters.

 

Freaks - Depending on what the definition of disturbing is, I'd say this fits it.  It's not scary (although I'll admit that as fake as it was, the ending freaked me out the first time I saw it), since the "freaks" are presented as real people, but the xenophobic psychology that affects all humans at some level is telling me that it's not right.  The majority of the film is really just about people's everyday lives, the only difference being that they are sideshow "freaks".  What's really messed up about the film is its original tagline: "Can a grown woman truly love a midget?" and one of its alternate "road show" titles, Nature's Mistakes.

 

Dead/Alive and Troma films take themselves much too lightly to be disturbing.  They're gory to all hell, but it's not presented seriously.  Disturbing to me is really not an issue of gore, but more on how the gore or subject matter is presented.  One of the most famous examples of this is Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which has incredibly effective imagery (the room full of furniture made of bones really gave me the creeps), but hardly any gore at all.  Even though it's not graphic, it's still an incredibly disturbing film to many people (myself included) that is talked about to this day.  While on the topic of obscure films that are disturbing due to bizarre subject matter, I submit:

 

The Baby - A film about a family of two sisters, a mother, and a grown son who never mentally progressed past infancy.  It contrasts happy images of suburban life and bright colors with terrible sexual, verbal, and physical abuse by the sisters and mother.  The ending is another shocker, but the most shocking thing about this movie may be its certification (due to lack of gore or language) as a PG title!

 

Christ, I'm writing an essay here.  To wrap this up, for One Bad Apple, some of the most disturbing films that I have heard about (but not seen) that feature real-life violence towards animals are Italian cannibal films.  I can't remember any titles off the top of my head other than the most infamous, Cannibal Holocaust.  Actually, Italian cinema in general, reflecting Italian law in general (nothing against any Italians), has been rather uncaring towards animal rights.  Supposedly, for the climax of the poor Jaws rip-off Octopus they really tore the titular Octopus apart.  If that happened in America, animal rights activists would have been up in arms about banning the film or cutting the scene from the get-go.

 

And as for straight-up sickening goes, head to Japan, where there are a wealth of extreme bondage/S&M and scat videos, as well as the infamous "Guinea Pig" TV series mentioned earlier in the thread.

[Guest One Bad Apple]

if youre looking for animal cruelty, Faces of Death has a fair amount, and Toxic Avenger has some, but make sure you get the unrated version or it will be cut out, along with a lot of the human cruelty

Christ, I'm writing an essay here.  To wrap this up, for One Bad Apple, some of the most disturbing films that I have heard about (but not seen) that feature real-life violence towards animals are Italian cannibal films.  I can't remember any titles off the top of my head other than the most infamous, Cannibal Holocaust.  Actually, Italian cinema in general, reflecting Italian law in general (nothing against any Italians), has been rather uncaring towards animal rights.  Supposedly, for the climax of the poor Jaws rip-off Octopus they really tore the titular Octopus apart.  If that happened in America, animal rights activists would have been up in arms about banning the film or cutting the scene from the get-go.

Oooh ... sorry 'bout that.  I think the wording might've given you the impression I was some type of sicko.

 

What I meant up there was that I wanted to know if they had those animal death or violence so I could avoid them, because I don't like that stuff.  Simulated is okay, but I'd just like to be aware about it going in.  Actual is a whole 'nother can of worms ... just I can never watch any movie where anything was actually killed in the making of it.

 

 

So, just to summarize, I was interested in knowing if these movies contained:

 

- Simulated or actual/real dying or dead animals (bloody, savaged, etc.)

- Simulated or actual/real animal cruelty

 

... And whether this was onscreen or off.  It'd be a big help if people could list any movies that contain actual, regardless of whether or not they're in the topic post.

 

I'd also like to hear what you think are the most sick, vile or graphic instances (onscreen only) in each of these movies (or any movie you wanna bring up)?  This goes especially for uncut and uncensored versions.  Also, how staged do the aforementioned instances look?  

 

Finally ... try not to include any spoilers if you're able to.

 

 

 

 

porno movies can be pretty disturbing, I might suggest trying some of those... hardcore s &m or scat, or something sick like that

That's more "disgusting" than "disturbing."

[Guest muzanisa]

The bit in Apocalypse now where they chop up the cow stuck in the mind.

Someone called me over to their PC at work once and played the Dwyer Magnum incident, I was, what's he doing with that. FUCKING HELL.

[Guest Vyce]

Someone called me over to their PC at work once and played the Dwyer Magnum incident, I was, what's he doing with that. FUCKING HELL.

 

I have to agree with this.

 

I got my B.S. in Administration of Justice, and I plan to attend law school this fall, but over the course of my studies in the field of criminal justice, I've seen some pretty sick shit.  I've seen autopsy pictures, crime scene photos, and occasionally even video of real executions.  It's all terrible, depressing stuff (and part of the reason why I have a relatively strong stomach for movie gore & violence, because it doesn't hold a candle to the real thing....thankfully).

 

The Dwyer video, though, for some reason that really stayed with me, more than the other stuff.  I had nightmares for days after I saw that.  I would keep imagining him sticking the gun in his mouth and pulling the trigger.  It's horrible, and anyone who watches that type of thing for amusement is in serious need of therapy.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Oooh ... sorry 'bout that.  I think the wording might've given you the impression I was some type of sicko.

 

What I meant up there was that I wanted to know if they had those animal death or violence so I could avoid them, because I don't like that stuff.  Simulated is okay, but I'd just like to be aware about it going in.  Actual is a whole 'nother can of worms ... just I can never watch any movie where anything was actually killed in the making of it.

I didn't think you were one who would watch something specifically to see real animals get hurt or injured.  I should apologize for implying that.  You're right - someone who would want to see a film just because an animal or person was really injured/killed in the making of it IS a sicko.  Of course this means that to some degree people who check out movies like Queen of the Damned or The Crow solely to see the final performance of an actor are sickos as well.

 

Anyway, I'd argue that animal cruelty, particularly in the name of film, is the worst crime.  I'm more outraged by cruelty against animals than cruelty against humans.  This isn't for any hatred of humans, I like people a lot, it's just that animals are often unable to fight back or have the brain capacity to comprehend why something is happening to them.  Whereas it's technically and psychologically possible for humans to recover from abuse and trauma (which the majority of humans do), animals don't have the mental capacity to overcome this primal fear instilled by abuse, which often leads them to defend viciously when threatened after liberation, which would lead to them getting killed.  While on the topic of irony, for this reason of not being unable to "unlearn" killer instincts, this is why I am all for "killer dogs" trained by Aryans and neo-Nazis as attack dogs to be killed, because even though it's not their fault they have no way of recovering.

 

Ahh, but this is a movie forum.  Speaking of not watching movies where someone was killed in the making of it, don't see Vin Diesel's upcoming XXX, because a stunt-man died when they messed up on a stunt and he slammed into a bridge.

[Guest]

I heard about that Vin Diesel thing. What was that stunt again? As for a disturbing move......I really was freaked out by Henry Portrait Of A Killer.

[Guest cabbageboy]

What is supposed to be disturbing about the Ox Bow Incident?  Sure it has to do with vigilante justice and hanging innocent men, but it hardly will give anyone a nightmare (possible exception is my grandma, but she likes Dana Andrews).  Not sure why it is obscure either, it is a **** movie and shown on TV quite often.

 

Blue Velvet was pretty fucked up, but in a way that made me laugh me ass off to be honest.  Any Lynch stuff as has been said before.

 

Welcome to the Dollhouse.....what was so disturbing about that?  Hell, my middle school years were worse than that.

 

Freaks is the most disturbing movie I've ever seen.  There's nothing really graphic in it either.

[Guest converge241]

check out Gummo, Teenage Caveman, and Bully...

[Guest]

"Ring", "Audtion" and "Versus".  All three very well made Japanese horror films.

 

Depending upon how delicate your sensibilities are, they are either disturbing or fucked up.

I looked for those on IMDB but I couldnt find them because they had a few listings. Can you go browse IMDB and give where they are? And anyone see these? Good? Ive seen Battle Royal and would be intrested in seeing these.

[Guest Risk]

I think I Spit On Your Grave is a great portrait of a revenge fantasy of a raped woman.  I think the revenge scenes are supposed to just be in her mind, to show her rage.

[Guest converge241]

I think I Spit On Your Grave is a great portrait of a revenge fantasy of a raped woman.  

 

the wife loves that movie. first dvd she bought.

[Guest]

These are the movies ive seen from bad apple's original list and my thoughts:

 

Crash - Not disturbing in the least, but it is a good movie IMO. No disturbing scenes that stick in my mind and i only watched it last week.

 

I Spit On Your Grave/Day Of The Woman - Nothing disturbing here either, but worth watching at least once. U really feel like marking out when the woman cuts off the lead rapists dick and leaves him to bleed to death in the bath.

 

The Driller Killer - I laughed my ass off at this movie. Some of the expressions the victims make are priceless.

 

As for the other movies mentioned here...

 

Henry: Portrait Of... - Not really disturbing to me, but it would be to some people i guess. An excellent movie.

 

Cannibal Holocaust - Ah, finally THE only movie that I have found disturbing. The things you see in this movie stay in your head: a cannibal licking the flesh from the remains of a skeleton hand, a rat being butchered, a tortoise being cut open, a man being forced to eat from part of a heart for fear of rejection from the cannibal tribe; it's just really sick and deprived. If you can stomach it, however, it is a good movie.

[Guest El Satanico]

I think I Spit On Your Grave is a great portrait of a revenge fantasy of a raped woman.  

 

the wife loves that movie. first dvd she bought.

a wife that buys movies like I spit on your grave...shit that would rule

[Guest]

I Spit On Your Grave/Day Of The Woman - Nothing disturbing here either, but worth watching at least once. U really feel like marking out when the woman cuts off the lead rapists dick and leaves him to bleed to death in the bath.

I heard about this movie. Do they actually show the guys dick getting cut off? I was once told they do but I would think thatd be a pretty hard effect to pull off...no pun intended.

[Guest converge241]

a wife that buys movies like I spit on your grave...shit that would rule

 

my wife likes sick movies like that more than i do, she has a ton on videotape (avers to technology of dvds). Also has more pornos and likes to go strip clubs more often that I do. go figure..

[Guest Vyce]

I looked for those on IMDB but I couldnt find them because they had a few listings. Can you go browse IMDB and give where they are? And anyone see these? Good? Ive seen Battle Royal and would be intrested in seeing these.

 

IMDB has virtually nothing on them, since it focuses mainly on films made either in North America, Australia or Europe.  The Asian film industry isn't covered as much.  If you want info on the flicks, you'll probably have to search the internet....if you want to pick up the flicks, there are probably some websites you can go to, but easiest place to get them would probably be Ebay.  You could try your local video stores, but they're hard to find.

 

I've seen them, and I enjoy them all.  They're nowhere near as disturbing as a film like Cannibal Holocaust, but they're all pretty good.  The disturbing stuff is mainly psychological.

 

"Ring", IMO, is the best, and one of the finest horror films of the past few years.  It's being remade for the American audiences, but I'd track down the original Japanese version.

[Guest Risk]

Seeing as I want to be a writer, I Spit On Your Grave shows how feels of intense rage are like.  This is very important when creating characters.  I would imagin a raped women would want to symbolicly take away the man's weapon and leaving him to die i.e. cutting off his dick.  

 

It was his weapon against her.  Very symbolic stuff.  The strange thing is I've heard that that the revenge scenes are just in her mind, and she never gets revenge.  Depressing, but, it does show us how cruel the human mind can be, even justified or not.  

 

Rage is like a beast that waits for the key of excuse for you to release it from it's cage.  Got a little off-track, sorry.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

I heard about that Vin Diesel thing. What was that stunt again? As for a disturbing move......I really was freaked out by Henry Portrait Of A Killer.

Finally got off my lazy ass and decided to look up the info on the XXX tragedy.

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Harry O'Connor, an American stuntman died while shooting the American action film TripleX. The tragedy happened an hour after noon at Palacky Bridge. The stuntman didn't manage to free himself from the boat that he was hooked to, while paragliding. His body smashed into the Bridge. Police and an ambulance immediately reached the film sight. "We tried to resuscitate him, but it was too late." Said Jan Skoula.

 

One of the witnesses said, that the scene had gone wrong on the stuntman's second try. "In the first try the stuntman safely landed in water as he planned. But in the second try he was too high and he didn't manage to unhook himself. That's why he landed in the Bridge." Said the witness.

 

One of the film's crew said. "It's really bad luck, because we have finished filming and even the evening party is behind us. There are only a couple of scenes being filmed now-- to make sure there's enough material." He said. He added that the Americans are leaving Prague next week.

 

Harry O'Connor was a retired former Navy SEAL he was currently enjoying his second profession as a Movie and Television Aerial / Stunt Coordinator. He had an extensive background and experience in the film and television industry including serving as the aerial skydiving coordinator for the CHARLIE'S ANGELS motion picture as well as performing stunts on THE PERFECT STORM and 1998's SOLDIER. Skydiving and flying had been his passions all Harry's life. He also loved backyard astronomy and captured many beautiful images digitally from his homebased observetory. He loved to share these images with anyone interested thru his website: SEAL Astronomy STUNTS He leaves behind a wife and two children

[Guest Risk]

I Spit On Your Grave kind of scares you if you're a male.  Not because of the male killings, but because of what men are capable of.  Sometimes the scariest thing is having the fear of hurting something besides yourself.