WWE rebounding from WM 23

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

I think MitB ran its course this year. The three ideal ways to build off on winning the MitB contract has been done (The sneak cash-in, pre-announced cash in to make a big match in advance and the plan to wait a year to cash it in at WM). Granted, the latter didn't actually happen but they set the story up. The only other route is for someone to cash in on the same night.

I also think you could have a cocky, young face or heel win it and cash it in the next night only to lose the match. Then you could build up 6-12 months of storyline with the wrestler trying to get another shot at the title knowing that they let their ego get in the way the first time. Adding some character development and multiple feuds around the mitb premise is the next logical step.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

I think they should retire the concept, simply because the multi-man ladder match is overexposed and someone is bound to get seriously hurt again trying to continuously one-up previous matches.

 

If they continue the concept, move it to a B level PPV like Backlash or No Way Out, where it can help spike buyrates.

[cabbageboy 0]

Good idea. It has pretty much run its course at WM, so let's make it the focal point of a secondary PPV. Maybe Vengeance or a PPV like that. Or NYR if they want to have the angle for the whole year.

[edgehead69 0]

Before Wrestlemania 23... I Called Edge Winning the money in the bank.... Undertaker beating Batista (In the MAIN EVENT!!!) and Edge cashing it in and putting on a hell of a show against Taker and Beating Him... Hence Undefeated, WHC, Beat Taker, AND bragging rights for a lifetime!

[Hawk 34 0]

That's obviously what a Edge fan would have desired. It's also something that someone with absolute no business sense would do. It's quite a Russo device. Maybe he could have also ran in and taken Umaga out and pin Lashley, so he'd also shave Trump's head, so he'd be on national news. AWESOME!

[Cheech Tremendous 0]

Before Wrestlemania 23... I Called Edge Winning the money in the bank.... Undertaker beating Batista (In the MAIN EVENT!!!) and Edge cashing it in and putting on a hell of a show against Taker and Beating Him... Hence Undefeated, WHC, Beat Taker, AND bragging rights for a lifetime!

 

Excellent booking idea

[edgehead69 0]

Before Wrestlemania 23... I Called Edge Winning the money in the bank.... Undertaker beating Batista (In the MAIN EVENT!!!) and Edge cashing it in and putting on a hell of a show against Taker and Beating Him... Hence Undefeated, WHC, Beat Taker, AND bragging rights for a lifetime!

 

Excellent booking idea

 

I was soooooo excited about that and then.... Jeff Hardy freakin takes out Edge.... Man there goes my hopes and dreams.... and taker is my fav wrestler so its sayin somehtin for me to say for him to lose at mania...

[The Amazing Rando 0]

Him beating Taker would haven't done anything for him, honestly. It might have done something for someone like Mr. Kennedy though.

 

Even then, Taker really needs to just retire with that thing intact. I mean, Kane even TURNED DOWN the chance to defeat him because he knew how much that streak meant, maybe not to Taker, but to the fans as a whole.

[edgehead69 0]

Him beating Taker would haven't done anything for him, honestly. It might have done something for someone like Mr. Kennedy though.

 

Even then, Taker really needs to just retire with that thing intact. I mean, Kane even TURNED DOWN the chance to defeat him because he knew how much that streak meant, maybe not to Taker, but to the fans as a whole.

That Streak is Something special.... but i feel someone should beat him but... also no..... I have real mixed feelings about it.... Imagine if 2 victims of his would've been Rock and Austin... I mean he has Evolutoin under his belt....

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I mean, Kane even TURNED DOWN the chance to defeat him...

Urban myth.

[edgehead69 0]

Urban Myth Maybe.... But it would be fitting if Kane did beat Taker.... 3rd Times the charm!

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Urban Myth Maybe.... But it would be fitting if Kane did beat Taker.... 3rd Times the charm!

 

It would be more fitting because that was basically what Kane came to the WWE to do, destroy Taker. Doing it in Taker's final match to send Taker out would do it.

[Jingus 0]

I mean he has Evolutoin under his belt....

That's something I never realized til he pointed it out: Undertaker has defeated every member of Evolution in a singles match at Wrestlemania.

[cabbageboy 0]

Edgehead, clarify one thing for me. You say Edge in your booking scheme would beat UT for the title. Do you mean cash in the MITB literally right after the main event and attack UT? Cause that idea is something I badmouthed for weeks before the PPV when various people mentioned it on here. If you mean that Edge should have won MITB and done something like he eventually did (cash it in after a UT/Batista rematch, with UT exhausted), then it turned out pretty well.

 

The MITB match this year was easily the most disposable of the 3. I haven't had the slightest desire to watch that match again, especially considering that Kennedy didn't even cash it in. And no one wants to admit it, but if he HAD cashed it in he was just jobbing anyway. Going in I figured Kennedy was winning it, but I was at a loss as to what precisely he would do after that. We had established he couldn't actually beat either UT or Batista. Lashley kicked the crap out of him. Cena would likely beat him as well. The most he could do is something like Edge's first MITB, where he did a Pearl Harbor on a weakened champ and then jobbed the belt back a month later.

 

Truth be told, the RVD MITB win is the only one that was a logical angle from point to point. Edge's first win was way too drawn out and most of the time seemed like they had no idea what to do with it or when he should cash it in, and when he did cash it in it was a 3 week run just to justify the MITB concept.

 

At least the RVD win had a solid foundation for what it was trying to do: Perennial "almost main eventer" RVD gets a crack at a ladder gimmick match that he would be good at, wins the MITB, then uses it to challenge at the main PPV where he would have the advantage (ECW ONS). I wonder if they even realize how close they came to something special with that angle, but while the music was good it was played out of tune. I still don't think Cena was right for that role of going into the show as champ, it should have been HHH. HHH could have heeled it up big time and trashed the legacy of ECW and fans would have been dying to see RVD finally beat the shit out of The Game. Instead we got the usual "Face challenger attacks Cena and veers into tweener territory" nonsense and for the regular WWE crowd it became a puzzling angle that where fans didn't know what to think. Then instead of the angle being what it should have been, namely RVD finally realizing his dream and winning the big one, it ended up being the usual crap of "OMG can Cena overcome the odds???" The crowd at ONS was more interested in trashing Cena than in rooting on RVD, which again was the real point of this whole thing.

 

It actually still drew pretty decent money, but it could have been something really great. That said, there's a part of me that smiles knowing that Cena likely won't ever get the job back from RVD.

[Chalmation 0]

Edgehead, clarify one thing for me. You say Edge in your booking scheme would beat UT for the title. Do you mean cash in the MITB literally right after the main event and attack UT? Cause that idea is something I badmouthed for weeks before the PPV when various people mentioned it on here. If you mean that Edge should have won MITB and done something like he eventually did (cash it in after a UT/Batista rematch, with UT exhausted), then it turned out pretty well.

 

The MITB match this year was easily the most disposable of the 3. I haven't had the slightest desire to watch that match again, especially considering that Kennedy didn't even cash it in. And no one wants to admit it, but if he HAD cashed it in he was just jobbing anyway. Going in I figured Kennedy was winning it, but I was at a loss as to what precisely he would do after that. We had established he couldn't actually beat either UT or Batista. Lashley kicked the crap out of him. Cena would likely beat him as well. The most he could do is something like Edge's first MITB, where he did a Pearl Harbor on a weakened champ and then jobbed the belt back a month later.

 

Truth be told, the RVD MITB win is the only one that was a logical angle from point to point. Edge's first win was way too drawn out and most of the time seemed like they had no idea what to do with it or when he should cash it in, and when he did cash it in it was a 3 week run just to justify the MITB concept.

 

At least the RVD win had a solid foundation for what it was trying to do: Perennial "almost main eventer" RVD gets a crack at a ladder gimmick match that he would be good at, wins the MITB, then uses it to challenge at the main PPV where he would have the advantage (ECW ONS). I wonder if they even realize how close they came to something special with that angle, but while the music was good it was played out of tune. I still don't think Cena was right for that role of going into the show as champ, it should have been HHH. HHH could have heeled it up big time and trashed the legacy of ECW and fans would have been dying to see RVD finally beat the shit out of The Game. Instead we got the usual "Face challenger attacks Cena and veers into tweener territory" nonsense and for the regular WWE crowd it became a puzzling angle that where fans didn't know what to think. Then instead of the angle being what it should have been, namely RVD finally realizing his dream and winning the big one, it ended up being the usual crap of "OMG can Cena overcome the odds???" The crowd at ONS was more interested in trashing Cena than in rooting on RVD, which again was the real point of this whole thing.

 

It actually still drew pretty decent money, but it could have been something really great. That said, there's a part of me that smiles knowing that Cena likely won't ever get the job back from RVD.

 

kennedy would have waited a whole year to cash it in barring the injury he suffered. we don't know how big a star he would have been by WM 24, but two unrelated problems (him and undertaker's injuries) led to a knee-jerk reaction. If undertaker isn't hurt, he'd still be champion. if kennedy isn't hurt and undertaker was, kennedy would have cashed in early with MITB. when kennedy jobbed MITB to edge, he was supposed to be out 6-8 months. i don't know how that would have affected a wrestlemania 11 months away at the time. kennedy would have been back by then.

 

as for the RVD angle Cena was the better choice because the crowd that night in the Hammerstein may have been the smarkiest and smartest WWE crowd ever, and I think they would have had too much respect built up for HHH as a heel to give that match the "Christian thrown to the Lions" feel it had. Any "Cena overcoming the odds" build the match had was logical, since you can relate to Duke's basketball team playing at Cameron Indoor Stadium. Very few road teams win there and that type of atmosphere was what Cena faced.

[edgehead69 0]

That's obviously what a Edge fan would have desired. It's also something that someone with absolute no business sense would do. It's quite a Russo device. Maybe he could have also ran in and taken Umaga out and pin Lashley, so he'd also shave Trump's head, so he'd be on national news. AWESOME!

 

Im not necessarily a hardcore edge fan (despite my name) but that would have been a hell of a moment.... IMO, Its a great idea and hoe oculd you lose?

 

Edgehead, clarify one thing for me. You say Edge in your booking scheme would beat UT for the title. Do you mean cash in the MITB literally right after the main event and attack UT? Cause that idea is something I badmouthed for weeks before the PPV when various people mentioned it on here. If you mean that Edge should have won MITB and done something like he eventually did (cash it in after a UT/Batista rematch, with UT exhausted), then it turned out pretty well.

 

The MITB match this year was easily the most disposable of the 3. I haven't had the slightest desire to watch that match again, especially considering that Kennedy didn't even cash it in. And no one wants to admit it, but if he HAD cashed it in he was just jobbing anyway. Going in I figured Kennedy was winning it, but I was at a loss as to what precisely he would do after that. We had established he couldn't actually beat either UT or Batista. Lashley kicked the crap out of him. Cena would likely beat him as well. The most he could do is something like Edge's first MITB, where he did a Pearl Harbor on a weakened champ and then jobbed the belt back a month later.

 

Truth be told, the RVD MITB win is the only one that was a logical angle from point to point. Edge's first win was way too drawn out and most of the time seemed like they had no idea what to do with it or when he should cash it in, and when he did cash it in it was a 3 week run just to justify the MITB concept.

 

At least the RVD win had a solid foundation for what it was trying to do: Perennial "almost main eventer" RVD gets a crack at a ladder gimmick match that he would be good at, wins the MITB, then uses it to challenge at the main PPV where he would have the advantage (ECW ONS). I wonder if they even realize how close they came to something special with that angle, but while the music was good it was played out of tune. I still don't think Cena was right for that role of going into the show as champ, it should have been HHH. HHH could have heeled it up big time and trashed the legacy of ECW and fans would have been dying to see RVD finally beat the shit out of The Game. Instead we got the usual "Face challenger attacks Cena and veers into tweener territory" nonsense and for the regular WWE crowd it became a puzzling angle that where fans didn't know what to think. Then instead of the angle being what it should have been, namely RVD finally realizing his dream and winning the big one, it ended up being the usual crap of "OMG can Cena overcome the odds???" The crowd at ONS was more interested in trashing Cena than in rooting on RVD, which again was the real point of this whole thing.

 

It actually still drew pretty decent money, but it could have been something really great. That said, there's a part of me that smiles knowing that Cena likely won't ever get the job back from RVD.

 

Yes Literally... After Taker does his poses and what nott....If Edge cashed it in after Taker Beat Batista at 23... Taker would still put up a fight and still hold his own... but Edge will sneak one in on the deadman and pin him 1...2...3

[cabbageboy 0]

Edge cashing in the MITB after UT/Batista at WM and winning the title to end the streak would seriously be a worse booking decision than the Fingerpoke of Doom (or the similar ending to WM IX). Let's face it, to get Taker to do something like that they would have to promise to job Edge the FUCK OUT to him in the future, which would of course go against the point of having Edge beat him. So in the end UT would have buried Edge and the biggest yearly thing they have going (UT's streak) would be gone due to a hotshot piece of booking that didn't even draw any money.

 

As far as ONS last year goes, why is the ECW crowd going to not hate HHH? If these people are the smarks that they're reputed to be, they would realize HHH did his best to bury RVD over the years and also hates ECW as well. Sure, fans on certain levels respected the WWE invaders the previous year but still enjoyed seeing them get the crap kicked out of them. Having Cena involved produced the biggest example of "the wrong kind of heat" ever, whereas HHH would have been booed in the more traditional sense. Further, they even set up the RVD/HHH match with the Road to WM tourney, with HHH screwing Van Dam out of the WM main event.

 

I didn't especially care for the actual booking of RVD/Cena. I had these crazy visions of Van Dam doing the flips into the 5th row on Cena, Van Daminators, Van Terminators, just throwing everything in the book at Cena but Cena keeps kicking out before finally going down to a 5 Star. RVD survives the FU and the STFU (the latter he did survive). Instead I got Cena dominating about 70% of the match with tedious offense and then an Edge run in to literally give RVD the belt, and then I figured they might overturn it the next night. As an RVD fan they took a moment I'd been waiting for since about 1998 and made it anticlimactic. That takes true booking talent.

[Chalmation 0]

As far as ONS last year goes, why is the ECW crowd going to not hate HHH? If these people are the smarks that they're reputed to be, they would realize HHH did his best to bury RVD over the years and also hates ECW as well. Sure, fans on certain levels respected the WWE invaders the previous year but still enjoyed seeing them get the crap kicked out of them. Having Cena involved produced the biggest example of "the wrong kind of heat" ever, whereas HHH would have been booed in the more traditional sense. Further, they even set up the RVD/HHH match with the Road to WM tourney, with HHH screwing Van Dam out of the WM main event.

 

I didn't especially care for the actual booking of RVD/Cena. I had these crazy visions of Van Dam doing the flips into the 5th row on Cena, Van Daminators, Van Terminators, just throwing everything in the book at Cena but Cena keeps kicking out before finally going down to a 5 Star. RVD survives the FU and the STFU (the latter he did survive). Instead I got Cena dominating about 70% of the match with tedious offense and then an Edge run in to literally give RVD the belt, and then I figured they might overturn it the next night. As an RVD fan they took a moment I'd been waiting for since about 1998 and made it anticlimactic. That takes true booking talent.

 

i want someone else to agree with me here, but here's how i feel

 

i think they hated cena for being an affront to the old ECW characters they knew well. you had the suicidal, homicidal, genocidal, death defying sabu, the human submission machine taz, the innovator of violence tommy dreamer which defined their promotion.

 

then you have a white-boy rapper who does the five knuckle shuffle and "U can't see me". what's the one thing we've hated HHH for????? long title reigns. How many days has HHH had the belt since Wrestlemania 21??????? Beleive it or not, 0 (and it's still 0 today) Cena had held the title for 413 out of 434 days at that point since WM21.

 

not to say that had HHH been in that match, he wouldn't have gotten booed, but I think those fans would have respected him far more than Cena.

 

I didn't watch it live, but when I did on youtube, it felt like it was awesome. Even with an opportune run-in, RVD won the most prestigious title there is, the one held by Sammartino, Hogan, Hart, Michaels, Austin, and the Rock.

[Maztinho 0]

As far as ONS last year goes, why is the ECW crowd going to not hate HHH? If these people are the smarks that they're reputed to be, they would realize HHH did his best to bury RVD over the years and also hates ECW as well. Sure, fans on certain levels respected the WWE invaders the previous year but still enjoyed seeing them get the crap kicked out of them. Having Cena involved produced the biggest example of "the wrong kind of heat" ever, whereas HHH would have been booed in the more traditional sense. Further, they even set up the RVD/HHH match with the Road to WM tourney, with HHH screwing Van Dam out of the WM main event.

 

I didn't especially care for the actual booking of RVD/Cena. I had these crazy visions of Van Dam doing the flips into the 5th row on Cena, Van Daminators, Van Terminators, just throwing everything in the book at Cena but Cena keeps kicking out before finally going down to a 5 Star. RVD survives the FU and the STFU (the latter he did survive). Instead I got Cena dominating about 70% of the match with tedious offense and then an Edge run in to literally give RVD the belt, and then I figured they might overturn it the next night. As an RVD fan they took a moment I'd been waiting for since about 1998 and made it anticlimactic. That takes true booking talent.

 

i want someone else to agree with me here, but here's how i feel

 

i think they hated cena for being an affront to the old ECW characters they knew well. you had the suicidal, homicidal, genocidal, death defying sabu, the human submission machine taz, the innovator of violence tommy dreamer which defined their promotion.

 

then you have a white-boy rapper who does the five knuckle shuffle and "U can't see me". what's the one thing we've hated HHH for????? long title reigns. How many days has HHH had the belt since Wrestlemania 21??????? Beleive it or not, 0 (and it's still 0 today) Cena had held the title for 413 out of 434 days at that point since WM21.

 

not to say that had HHH been in that match, he wouldn't have gotten booed, but I think those fans would have respected him far more than Cena.

 

I didn't watch it live, but when I did on youtube, it felt like it was awesome. Maybe I'm a big fan of RVD's and you're not, but even with an opportune run-in, RVD won the most prestigious title there is, the one held by Sammartino, Hogan, Hart, Michaels, Austin, and the Rock.

 

Cabbage is right, you are wrong.

[cabbageboy 0]

I think it was Joey Styles that started the whole notion of "HHH would be more respected than Cena." I was actually more intrigued at the possible idea of RVD vs. JBL headlining that PPV, though it might not have made the most logistical sense due to RVD being on Raw and JBL on SD. This was of course before JBL had the back injury and retired, when there was a rumor he would beat Rey at Judgment Day. JBL would have been the most over as a heel in the right way of anyone they could have had vs. RVD, since he was public enemy #1 from the previous year's ECW PPV. And also, JBL could at least deliver a violent brawl type match, and they could have put RVD over clean there. With that said, I don't think this plan was ever in the cards and I have no idea where they would go with it from there. Maybe ECW/SD crossover stuff, since the two shows were taped the same night?

 

 

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

I think it was Joey Styles that started the whole notion of "HHH would be more respected than Cena." I was actually more intrigued at the possible idea of RVD vs. JBL headlining that PPV, though it might not have made the most logistical sense due to RVD being on Raw and JBL on SD. This was of course before JBL had the back injury and retired, when there was a rumor he would beat Rey at Judgment Day. JBL would have been the most over as a heel in the right way of anyone they could have had vs. RVD, since he was public enemy #1 from the previous year's ECW PPV. And also, JBL could at least deliver a violent brawl type match, and they could have put RVD over clean there. With that said, I don't think this plan was ever in the cards and I have no idea where they would go with it from there. Maybe ECW/SD crossover stuff, since the two shows were taped the same night?

 

As much as I enjoyed the Cena/RVD feud, I agree that JBL Vs. RVD would be even better.

 

Every promo that JBL cut at ONS he had the crowd wanting to kill him.