The College Football Thread 11/25 - 11/29

[Damaramu 0]

Ugh, don't act like OU fans wouldn't do the same fucking shit if it was the other way around and they had to see Texas get the nod over them for the chance to walk into the National Title Game.

 

I'm not. I'd have a big fucking neon sign with lighted arrows pointing at the score if I was in that situation.

 

The thing is though, I'm wondering if the Texas fans with those signs are:

 

A) Trying to convince voters to change their votes and are desperate because they realize that Texas is cooked

or

B) Really think that Texas will get the nod over OU and are just trying to prove a point.

 

I really don't think there's anyone at this point that thinks Texas is going to win the Big XII south if OU wins on Saturday, except maybe some of those people in the stands.

 

 

Look, I agree the head to head win is a big factor. But there's a lot of other factors that go into it. That was in the middle of October and OU lost their best defensive player. Plus it's not like Texas blew OU out. The game was a back and forth game and if just a few balls bounce the other way then OU walks away with the win and is still No. 1 right now. That's what's bugging me. The Texas fans are acting like they stomped OU right off the field. That's not what happened at all.

Plus I think if OU and Texas played 10 times it'd be 50/50.

OU's hot right now and are playing probably the best football in the country aside from Florida. That's why they're getting the nod.

 

If OSU beats them on Saturday, then argument over they screwed up and they can go to the Cotton Bowl and let Tech win the Big XII. Man I didn't even think about that, Texas is in a really really shitty position right now. If OU wins, they're out of the Big XII title game. If OU loses, they're still out!

[Slayer 0]

I'm surprised KSU only has one Big 12 title.

They should probably have two.......but Texas A&M kind of ruined that.

Fuckin dive in front of the pylon, among other things. Probably the only time I've ever rooted for Ohio State in my life, such was the burning hate I had for the Aggies that year... though the thing that hurt worse than losing that Big 12 title game was getting the shaft from both the BCS bowls and the NYD bowls and dropping to the Alamo bowl against a .500 Purdue team, and then pulling the "we got screwed so we're not gonna show up" card

 

but I digress

 

While they did make the title game in 2000 and took it to the eventual champs, their other best shot would have been in 1999, but they just couldn't fucking beat Nebraska (again)

 

 

[Broward83 0]

...but if we're going "back and forth" and "just one play".. then if Shipley doesn't drop that easy TD.. if that one DB doesn't let the INT drop between his hands.. if that Safety goes to just fucking tackle Crabtree and not blow past him, Texas wins.

 

Look...OU might be playing well now, but right now you're looking at Texas holding AnM to 3 while OU gave up 20+ to the same team. OU romped Tech but Texas lost on the last play.

 

As far as the trying to swing votes, it could work. Lord knows it worked against Cal the year they won in their last game but still were kept out of a BCS game.

 

42-3 as I finish this with over 10minutes left..

[Damaramu 0]

A&M did score more points against OU than they did against Texas. What's your point there exactly? Because Tech scored less points on OU than they did on Texas and OU beat them by worse. So I'm not really sure what comparing the score of the Texas A&M games has to do with who deserves to be ranked higher in the BCS.

 

And speaking of Tech that's another thing the Texas fans don't seem to realize. This is a 3-way tie for the Big XII South. It's not between OU and Texas. All the 45-35 signs don't mean jack shit when it comes to who wins the Big XII South because it's not just between you and OU. If we're going to do that then let's hold up some 39-33 and 65-21 signs. Because they are every bit as relevant as the 45-35 score in a 3-way tie. Every single bit.

[Damaramu 0]

I'm surprised KSU only has one Big 12 title.

They should probably have two.......but Texas A&M kind of ruined that.

Fuckin dive in front of the pylon, among other things. Probably the only time I've ever rooted for Ohio State in my life, such was the burning hate I had for the Aggies that year... though the thing that hurt worse than losing that Big 12 title game was getting the shaft from both the BCS bowls and the NYD bowls and dropping to the Alamo bowl against a .500 Purdue team, and then pulling the "we got screwed so we're not gonna show up" card

 

but I digress

 

While they did make the title game in 2000 and took it to the eventual champs, their other best shot would have been in 1999, but they just couldn't fucking beat Nebraska (again)

 

Man mentioning that game really gets the old Wildcat blood pumping doesn't it? I almost got killed a few times mentioning it when I was in Dodge.

[Slayer 0]

Man mentioning that game really gets the old Wildcat blood pumping doesn't it? I almost got killed a few times mentioning it when I was in Dodge.

This is probably the third or fourth time we've discussed this... if I didn't know any better I'd say you were trying to turn me into the old you!

[Broward83 0]

Well if you're going to compare the loss OU had to Texas and the loss Texas had to Tech, then you should also look at comparible games between shared opponents. Ok State you can't compare yet but you can look at this shell of what AnM used to be and look at the wins between OU / Texas.

 

..and lets be honest, Tech has no real threat in this 3-way tie. If all win out, then its between OU/Texas and Tech is on the outside looking in. Like you said, OU chokes it away and yeah..Tech wins..that's fine, we lost and on H2H, it goes to them. So yeah, anything that can be pointed to from a Texas stand-point to knock down OU a peg or two will get pointed out

[Broward83 0]

49-9 is the final in Austin.

 

45-35

 

Let the politics begin...

[Damaramu 0]

Yeah but you pretty much said it yourself. You try to say Tech isn't relevant in a 3-way tie discussion so let's throw their games out and just point at the OU/Texas game. BUT, if OU loses then Tech wins the South. So they are still VERY relevant to this discussion and thus the results of the Tech/Texas game and OU/Tech game are just as relevant as OU/Texas.

Texas fans can try to pretend 45-35 is the only score that matters, but in a 3-way tie for the Big XII South all 3 games matter. That's pretty much a fact in the whole discussion for the Big XII South. No one score is more relevant than the other at this point because everyone beat everyone. Texas fans can hold up all the 45-35 signs they want, doesn't mean that it's a 2-way tie between OU and Texas unless Tech loses to Baylor. Then fine, you win the Big XII south and your score is the most important. But at this point, it's a 3-way tie not a 2-way no matter how badly Tech got hammered and how badly people want to toss them out of the discussion.

 

Why are we comparing OU-A&M and Texas-A&M again? OU won by 38 on the road. Texas won by 40 at home. Really seem to be about the same thing to me.

[Damaramu 0]

49-9 is the final in Austin.

 

45-35

 

Let the politics begin...

 

My post above pretty much goes over this. That website is just stupid. Not only is it biased but it once again completely throws out the 3-way tie. Texas fans must have blinders on and want to pretend this is a 2-way tie they're getting screwed on.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Who cares? The team that's really being robbed here is Ball State.

[Broward83 0]

Dama, we know its a 3 way tie. We know that if OU loses to OK State but Tech wins that its pretty much game over and Tech goes thru..all it is, is simply assuming what the rest of the Nation is (Tech simply destroying Baylor) and focusing on the team we'd have to be higher than to get into the Big 12 title game.

 

Trust me, if it were the other way around..needing to politic against Tech for a shot at the title game, we'd be doing that.

[Jaxxson Mayhem 0]

Who cares? The team that's really being robbed here is Ball State.

 

 

I agree damn it.

[Psycho Penguin 0]

Ball State better not go to the Motor City Bowl like Marshall did in 1999 (I think). That would be unfair. They deserve a good bowl game. Not a BCS one, but definitely a New Year's Day Bowl. They really impressed me against CMU and WMU.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

You know, with all the talk about Utah and Ball State, why isn't Boise State recognized? They are just as undefeated as the other two.

[CanadianChris 0]

Ball State better not go to the Motor City Bowl like Marshall did in 1999 (I think). That would be unfair. They deserve a good bowl game. Not a BCS one, but definitely a New Year's Day Bowl. They really impressed me against CMU and WMU.

The MAC champion is committed to the Motor City Bowl.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

That's why they should get rid of those "commitments". Even the Rose Bowl needs to get over the Pac-10/Big Ten traditional pairing. Let the season decide who goes where.

[Jaxxson Mayhem 0]

Ball State better not go to the Motor City Bowl like Marshall did in 1999 (I think). That would be unfair. They deserve a good bowl game. Not a BCS one, but definitely a New Year's Day Bowl. They really impressed me against CMU and WMU.

The MAC champion is committed to the Motor City Bowl.

 

 

I don't think that's necessarily true.

[CanadianChris 0]

Ball State better not go to the Motor City Bowl like Marshall did in 1999 (I think). That would be unfair. They deserve a good bowl game. Not a BCS one, but definitely a New Year's Day Bowl. They really impressed me against CMU and WMU.

The MAC champion is committed to the Motor City Bowl.

 

 

I don't think that's necessarily true.

If not, tell me how.

[Psycho Penguin 0]

No, they can break that "commitment" very easily. Just a matter of whether it happens or not. A lot of other bowls will have trouble filling their slot and a 13-0 (potentially) team will be very appealing to some bowls. I still say Liberty Bowl vs. Boise State would rock, as challenging as it might be to set up for that bowl's committee.

 

(Plus, they do have to win the MAC first. Let's say they lose that game, then that might actually HELP them. Isn't that crazy?)

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Looking at wikipedia, it says the game has the MAC/Big Ten/Big East (if Big Ten doesn't have any eligible teams left) tie in, but nothing about MAC champions requiring to go. But since the MAC champion usually rate in middle of the pack as far as bowl eligible teams go, that's where they usually go.

[Chazz 0]

Pitt really shot itself in the foot in the first half. They should be up by at least 10-14 points, not just 4 to an overrated WVU Team.

[Psycho Penguin 0]

The MAC Champion has always gone to the MCB, but the "commitment" is overrated, yeah. It's a matter of other bowls wanting them bad enough, and I think a 13-0 Ball State team that can make an argument for the BCS will be coveted more than a 9-3 Pac 10 team, for instance.

[Psycho Penguin 0]

Pitt really shot itself in the foot in the first half. They should be up by at least 10-14 points, not just 4 to an overrated WVU Team.

 

Overrated? Pitt is ranked ahead of them!

 

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Incidentally Pittsburgh is also "overrated"

[CanadianChris 0]

Looking at wikipedia, it says the game has the MAC/Big Ten/Big East (if Big Ten doesn't have any eligible teams left) tie in, but nothing about MAC champions requiring to go. But since the MAC champion usually rate in middle of the pack as far as bowl eligible teams go, that's where they usually go.

The list of bowls on wiki has the MAC tie-in being the champion. Plus this year the Motor City Bowl has first choice of all the MAC teams. There'd need to be some politicking done to get Ball State away from Detroit this year (and I hope there is).

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

If Ball State is forced to go to Motor City Bowl, I don't see any reason for the MAC to continue to exist as a FBS conference. If they are not going to respect an undefeated team from there, how far can anyone there go?

[Psycho Penguin 0]

Too bad Purdue sucked and we can't get another Purdue/CMU game.

 

Northwestern/Ball State doesn't sound as exciting.

[Chazz 0]

Pitt really shot itself in the foot in the first half. They should be up by at least 10-14 points, not just 4 to an overrated WVU Team.

 

Overrated? Pitt is ranked ahead of them!

 

 

Yeah, but a lot of people,(at least around my neck of the woods), cream in their pants over how good WVU's offense is. Pitt's D proved in the first half just how effective their offense is when you get them in third and long situations. The only reason they even scored any points in the first half is because Stull should've realized he doesn't have 5 minutes in the pocket to throw the ball.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I don't think anyone is really creaming their pants over a 7-3 team this year.