Guest Zack Malibu Report post Posted June 26, 2002 The one thing that scares me about Smackdown (Spoiler) They got Cena over, ok, awesome. The guy looks like a good investment, so we'll see how he plays out. The thing that bothers me is that Undertaker is becoming Babyface Redneck again, mocking Kurt and such during that interview. If Angle/Undertaker get into a feud, and if the slightly hinted Brock turn happens before Summerslam, could we see the two amateurs tearing it up. It'd probably actually be a good match if they let them go all out, but it would wind up with Brock getting put over Kurt. Then, and only then, will we feel your true wrath, 'Sault, because I think you're going to get pretty po'd just reading this and realizing that the WWE may be dumb enough to do it. Think positive. It can't be that bad...can it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted June 26, 2002 I really, really don't see how Angle selling for a new guy, getting him over and NOT jobbing is a bad thing. Granted, i don't quite see the point of pushing a big feud, i'd rather they now have Cena win over lower down types before he has another match with angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted June 26, 2002 ...I didn't even know who Angle was wrestling, so THAT was the spoiler, in the topic. All that I've been told up to now is that it was a "mystery debut" and the such. After I knew who Angle was facing, I knew by default that he wold win therefore I read the topic. Think, think before you post. Come on man... ...this isn't rocet science! Of course it isn't rocet science. It's not rocket science either. j/k Anyway, sorry I spoiled everything. I just kind of thought it was funny that you seemed to be throwing a hissy fit. Personally I don't really see the big deal, especially since it wasn't a huge angle or anything. Now if it has been a world title match, and then I spoiled it, it would be a different story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigjig Report post Posted June 26, 2002 Anyway, about the Angle getting his ass handed to him by a rookie debate I don't see why any of you are complaining. He still won, and he won cleanly... he just made a guy look good in the process. Remember when Taker did that to Orton? Sure, Taker probably didn't bump around for him the way Angle did for Cena (how could he... he's too broken down) but he did let Orton get some great offense on him, and for the most part, got him over as a credible challenge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Prince Paul Report post Posted June 26, 2002 We'll all just have to see the match tomorrow night. And yes, Cena was on Manhunt. And he is pretty jacked. He's no Lesnar or anything, but he isn't exactly Randy Orton's size either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HHH's 'Roid Needle Report post Posted June 26, 2002 Funny, I don't see HHH, Hogan, or The American Fatass getting tossed around like a ragdoll and near beaten by a nobody. Its premature ejaculation. Good ol' WWF. Instead of building the guy up, and after a WHILE give him an awesome match with Angle, they immediately slam his rookie ass so far into a wall he's flat like Wile E. Coyote after an anvil falls on him. Where to NOW for Cena? He just nearly beat the company's top wrestler. Am I now supposed to just sit back and watch him lose to Test, Godfather, and Albert? Whatever. They're dumb and I'm right, and that's all that really matters to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 26, 2002 Anyway, about the Angle getting his ass handed to him by a rookie debate I don't see why any of you are complaining. He still won, and he won cleanly... He won ON A FLUKE. A man who is heading into a world title feud needs to FLUKE out a win against a rookie? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted June 26, 2002 Here's an idea: WATCH THE SHOW. If it looks crappy, then you can bitch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 26, 2002 HE PINNED HIM WITH A BACKSLIDE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 27, 2002 Hey, they still get pinfalls off backslides in other E matches. They may be women's matches, but it still is a pinfall off a backslide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zero_Cool Report post Posted June 27, 2002 I'm going to take Edwin's stance on the whole thing and just watch it first of all. Say, what if the casual mark, in a buzz about spoilers, actually watches SD tomorrow to see Prototype? What if he makes the ratings go up because he is facing a guy of Angle's caliber? Meh, they're making it sound like a **** match...which probably isn't the case. ***3/4 Oh yeah, the name Prototype rocks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cataclysm911 Report post Posted June 27, 2002 You can all thank me later, or ignore, I don't care. Prototype Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Angle is Wrestling Report post Posted June 27, 2002 You can all thank me later, or ignore, I don't care. Prototype HO LY SHIT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest red_file Report post Posted June 27, 2002 HE PINNED HIM WITH A BACKSLIDE! It's a legitimate wrestling move that displayed the versitality of Angle's moveset while at the same time lending credibility to the idea that a match can end at any time with a counter, thus starting the long, and possibly impossible, road of retraining the fans to appreciate actual wrestling instead of merely popping for the finishers and signature spots. That would seem to help Angle. Also, from a character standpoint, this type of match establishes Angle as one of those types of arrogant heels who underestimate the strength of their apparently rookie opponents; again this type of character would draw a parallel with Flair and Jumbo, good company for Angle to be in. While the match doesn't necessarily seem to be doing anything to elevate Angle on the card, it does seem to be adding depth to Angle's character. True, we have to wait to see how it all plays out on tv, but I honestly cannot see how one could view this in the same light as the hair vs. hair match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cataclysm911 Report post Posted June 27, 2002 HE PINNED HIM WITH A BACKSLIDE! It's a legitimate wrestling move that displayed the versitality of Angle's moveset while at the same time lending credibility to the idea that a match can end at any time with a counter, thus starting the long, and possibly impossible, road of retraining the fans to appreciate actual wrestling instead of merely popping for the finishers and signature spots. That would seem to help Angle. Also, from a character standpoint, this type of match establishes Angle as one of those types of arrogant heels who underestimate the strength of their apparently rookie opponents; again this type of character would draw a parallel with Flair and Jumbo, good company for Angle to be in. While the match doesn't necessarily seem to be doing anything to elevate Angle on the card, it does seem to be adding depth to Angle's character. True, we have to wait to see how it all plays out on tv, but I honestly cannot see how one could view this in the same light as the hair vs. hair match. OMG. Are you trying to talk logically to Anglesault? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest red_file Report post Posted June 27, 2002 OMG. Are you trying to talk logically to Anglesault? No, no, merely thinking out loud. I remember the last poor soul who tried to reason with that fool. The horror, the horror. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Prince Paul Report post Posted June 27, 2002 I think Anglesaults point is, A BACKSLIDE! Angle should be just about squashing this guy, letting him have some token offense and a couple good moves to show how good he is, but then have Angle simply stop playing around with him, and hurt him bad. That's how you get heat and build to world title matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Andy Report post Posted June 27, 2002 Sounds good to me. Andy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cataclysm911 Report post Posted June 27, 2002 Who gives a fuck what he meant? He can smell my hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted June 27, 2002 I saw the match, and to me it didnt nearly live up to all the hype that it seemed to be getting, but it was a decent match and the crowd was involved, although mostly its was "You Suck.." type stuff. Angleholics should look out, as there is a sign, dead front row and center that says "Angle Rules" (cant see it in the pic below) Heres a picture: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rabbi_wilson13 Report post Posted June 27, 2002 I'm all for this. Think of it as Angle didn't take this guy seriously, he took it to Kurt but Angle's stamina, versatility and intelligence allow him to come out with the win anyway. And maybe Cena's going to start a little higher up on the card thanks to his work in the developmental territories and his lack of green-ness. And I agree with the person that said I'm still scared of Angle if his arms were tied behind his back. Kurt isn't in the same position as Y2J where he was made to look like somebody's bitch. If he loses a match, its usually like to Edge after a long match that could go either way. Kurt's always seen as a viable contender to the title and that should be testament enough to his abilities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Si82 Report post Posted June 27, 2002 I thought that Prototype was a heel in OVW and a good one from what I had read. So why are they pushing him as face (or are they?) and why not stick with the name Prototype. By the way, I heard that this guy reminds people of Sting back in the day, anyone else agree? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted June 27, 2002 No. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted June 27, 2002 To me, it didn't seem like he was made to be viewed as a bitch (Kurt Angle). It seemed like the crowd really thought and really wanted John Cena to beat him. That shows that the fans realize that Angle is a tough threat to beat. Flair said it best, "When you make your opponent look good, you look like a million bucks". Angle made him look very credible, but made himself look unbeatable because he won clean due to his experience. That's how I view this match...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nezbyte Report post Posted June 27, 2002 Anglesault, maybe Cena is good enough to DESERVE pairings with Kurt? Just becuase you've been champ doesnt mean you cant help the new guy(s). I dont seem to remember Angle wrestling Test and the like - he got a fucking monster push. Yeah, he has the talents, but, who's to say Cena doesnt? You havent seen yet. Give it a few weeks. I'm sick of your fucking bullshit, give it a break. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 28, 2002 Wow, now that I have seen the match, I am BEYOND furious. That whole match was Angle bumping for Cena, squeaking out a win, Cena actually got UP before Angle, And then Angle runs away from him? WAY TO BUILD UP A WORLD TITLE CONTENDER GUYS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 28, 2002 HE PINNED HIM WITH A BACKSLIDE! It's a legitimate wrestling move that displayed the versitality of Angle's moveset while at the same time lending credibility to the idea that a match can end at any time with a counter, thus starting the long, and possibly impossible, road of retraining the fans to appreciate actual wrestling instead of merely popping for the finishers and signature spots. That would seem to help Angle. Also, from a character standpoint, this type of match establishes Angle as one of those types of arrogant heels who underestimate the strength of their apparently rookie opponents; again this type of character would draw a parallel with Flair and Jumbo, good company for Angle to be in. While the match doesn't necessarily seem to be doing anything to elevate Angle on the card, it does seem to be adding depth to Angle's character. True, we have to wait to see how it all plays out on tv, but I honestly cannot see how one could view this in the same light as the hair vs. hair match. So you want to build up Angle as world title contender as an overly cocky imbecille who needs a fluke to beat a Rookie? And what good will it do ANYONE when Test beats him clean next week? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted June 28, 2002 Kurt Angle looked better in that match, 'sault. He was getting all the heat and the crowd reactions. If it wasn't for Angle, Cena wouldn't get popped. A squash would be just a waste of 5 minutes. Angle got Cena over nicely, but made himself look like a grizzled veteran who knows just when to win (when the rookie gets cocky)...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 28, 2002 Why the hell couldn't he pin him definitively? And why did he HAVE to run away? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest claydude14 Report post Posted June 28, 2002 i didn't like the match, IMO angle should have put over cena. everyone complains about HHH not putting over new guys and holding guys back, and yet Angle won't job to Cena, thus killing any undefeated streak before it could even start. Since HHH was absent this week, Angle took the glass and made his own ceiling, and held back Cena with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
