Guest Nezbyte Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 I just find Nash funny, well, not funny in a promo sense, but, in a "they are paying this guy how much money to do THAT?" sense. Like the week Flair suspended him, so he comes out of the bathroom, and Flair is like, "You're suspended!" and he is like, "I'm going. Bye." Or the week that Flair turned heel, Nash shows up in a limo. That is all he does on the show, and I find it hilarious. Sure, it kind of sucks that the WWE is paying this guy a ton of money to do so little, but I get entertained by how they use him. Exactly HOW much are they spending. The collective nWo was about 1 mill, right? Anyone know his downside?
Guest RetroRob215 Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Nash has name-value, Goldust doesn't. Nuff' said.
Guest TestKick Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 I don't know why Nash is hired, he's absolutely useless. Nash is the only guy I would fire from the roster, if I owned the company. There isn't much more you can say about Nash, that Scott Keith hasn't said.
Guest Nezbyte Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 I don't know why Nash is hired, he's absolutely useless. Nash is the only guy I would fire from the roster, if I owned the company. There isn't much more you can say about Nash, that Scott Keith hasn't said. He isnt completly useless. He'd be a great: Road Agent, Manager, Announcer, or "CEO/Commish." I agree that he probably (key word) cant go in the ring. Who cares what rant boy says? EDIT: Oh yeah, i agree, Nash has a great name value.
Guest TestKick Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Nash does have some name value, but not enough to be hired just for that. Probably half the WWE fans watching today don't know Nash from before, and most that do realize he sucks. I don't see how people say Nash has great mic skills. He either acting stupid, blabbing shoots that nobody cares about acting like a jackass. When he tries sounding serious, he comes off as a whiny bitch. I would not want Nash as a road agent. He's as much of a troublemaker as anyone in WWE. Many people care what rant boy says, most people came to this board because of him, and many copy his ideas.
Guest Nezbyte Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Many people care what rant boy says, most people came to this board because of him, and many copy his ideas. And I'm not one of them. No one has answered my question, though. How can you say he's a waste of money when you dont know how much he's being paid?
Guest RavishingRickRudo Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 I don't know why I can't hate Nash. I really really REALLY don't know why... But I just cannot hate him. Possible reasons: The Hair. The Promos. The Ass Slapping Coach...and you know that THAT MEANS... hmm, i think that last one is it..
Guest RickyChosyu Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 No one has answered my question, though. How can you say he's a waste of money when you dont know how much he's being paid? I think he's a waste of money because he's had a total of three matches since joining in March, and none of them were good. None of his promos have had any life to them, accept the motivational speech he made for the B-Team. It seemed like he would be a great mouth piece for them after that, but since Shawn has joined, they've done nothing but make "shooty" comments that are not only lost on most of the fan base but just not funny, either. I mean, what has he done lately other than stare at Brock Lesnar while looking stoned? I'm not as big on the Nash hate as I used to be, but for God's sake, he doesn't TRY at ANYTHING he does, talking included (which is something he's actually good at). I used to think that the Big Lazy tag was derived from his God-awful ring work, but now I realize that it comes from his lack of effort in every department. He's really just a waste of oxygen, when it comes to wreslting. He's have to be payed very little for whatever name value he has to generate enough money to pay for his sallery, basically. I mean, he's literally done nothing to earn money and I'm pretty sure his pay check is more than zero, so therefor he's lossing money by being there. The amount of hair-care related expenses he racks up probably out-ways the entire Smackdown roster's salleries combined.
Guest notJames Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Many people care what rant boy says, most people came to this board because of him, and many copy his ideas. And I'm not one of them. No one has answered my question, though. How can you say he's a waste of money when you dont know how much he's being paid? According to when he first came in, his downside guarantee is 800 grand. And he isn't worth a dime of it. If I wanted funny (not hella-lame inside joke funny, but actually funny), I'll stick with Goldust and Booker T. If I wanted a no-talent big man who injures himself doing nothing, I'll stick with Sid. If I wanted a sleazy backstage politician with Vince McMahon's friendship and highlights in his hair... om, let's skip that one... And if I wanted a pathetic stable of useless marks for themselves who can't wrestle or conceivably draw anymore, well then lucky me, because there's the Kliq-W-o, ready to kill us all. Sorry for the venom, but when I see a crop of young stars like O'Haire and Prototype finally making some headway into the WW_ brotherhood, it just reminds me of just how much dead wood needs to cleared out first... and how unlikely that's going to happen...
Guest Nezbyte Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 I'm not saying he's worth the cash, i was just saying, y'know, that alot of people say they're worthless but dont know how much they're getting. Lets see if Big Kev can bring it in the ring. Who knows, he might be better ... And i LIKE Nash...
Guest Prince Paul Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Yes he has name value and that's the only reason he's getting paid. He doesn't do anything else to justify his salary. And none of us really know what his salary is. But you better bet your ass that Nash is getting paid more than Goldust though.
Guest cabbageboy Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 My grandma likes Nash.....she has his picture above the spice rack in the kitchen. It's a picture from an old WCW toy box. I dunno, I know Nash is probably a waste of money but he just has that used car salesman quality about him. He could sell ice to eskimos. Whenever I see him on TV doing his stuff like "I'm going, bye" I crack up and think "Way to earn those 6 figures Big Kev!" Heh.
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 It's not just his matches that suck, his run-ins suck too. I saw him do some of the shittiest elbow drops I've ever seen in my life. Thye were so bad, that I laughed out loud at how much they sucked. Vince McMahon really has money to throw around like he's doing?
Guest Austin3164life Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Whatever namevalue Nash ever had went down the toilet along with WCW in 2000......
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 But he was in the NWO! *rolls eyes*
Guest gwf0704 Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Its amazing how they always complain about the big men in the sport. Andre sucked, Big Show sucked, Nash sucked, Hall sucked, Undertaker sucked, Sid sucked blah blah blah. Im guessing the crybabies on this board who are more interested in how much someone is being paid definately have a lot of time on their hands (including resentment). And to those who say Nash has no name value anymore I have a question. How come they pop for him when his music hits? Nash had a decent wrestling style and yes he did not have 1001 moves like Mysterio Jr and your god of the board, Benoit, but for gosh sake stop the whining. At least some give half valid reasons why they dont like him, but to say, he earns so much money doing nothing and that is wrong, well, the first smark that refuses a job that pays a lot for little work will get a nice pat on the back by some on the board, but the majority will say, LOSER!!! WWE is made of wrestlers of all shapes and sizes so if you guys dont like the big men, too bad cause Vince loves the big men, (Lesnar at this point). Peace Nash haters cause it sounds like some of you bitter Smarks need some. AMEN AND GOD BLESS YOU!!!
Guest TestKick Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 I haven't heard any pops for the nWo music at any time in the WWE.
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 OK. Let's say Kevin Nash did have 1001 and moves. Are still going to deny that he's stealing a paycheck? The guy tore his bicep in the gym for crying out loud! How convenient is it that he gets hurt there? He hasn't looked like he's hurt to me and I find it quite convenient that he's hurt right now. Hogan leaves the NWO, Scott Hall gets fired and all of a sudden Nash is hurt? Then they bring X-Pac and Big Show into the equation to give Kevin Nash a reason to stick around. Lord knows he has no use without the NWO shirts. Kevin Nash's name value wasn't enough so they had to bring Shawn Michaels in as the mouthpeice. Why the hell does the NWO need two mouth peices? It doesn't. Who's not pulling their weight?
Guest bob_barron Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Until you have valid proof I wouldn't accuse Nash of faking an injury. That's just wrong. Kane also injured his bicep the same way.. IT'S A DIESEL CONSPIRACY! And no- I dont like nash.
Guest Nezbyte Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 OK. Let's say Kevin Nash did have 1001 and moves. Are still going to deny that he's stealing a paycheck? The guy tore his bicep in the gym for crying out loud! How convenient is it that he gets hurt there? He hasn't looked like he's hurt to me and I find it quite convenient that he's hurt right now. Hogan leaves the NWO, Scott Hall gets fired and all of a sudden Nash is hurt? Then they bring X-Pac and Big Show into the equation to give Kevin Nash a reason to stick around. Lord knows he has no use without the NWO shirts. Kevin Nash's name value wasn't enough so they had to bring Shawn Michaels in as the mouthpeice. Why the hell does the NWO need two mouth peices? It doesn't. Who's not pulling their weight? You cant see a fucking bicep injury, sheesh. ALOT of guys get hurt in the gym. Taz, Taker, and prolly a bunch more if i thought about it.
Guest gwf0704 Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 OK. Let's say Kevin Nash did have 1001 and moves. Are still going to deny that he's stealing a paycheck? Again, why are you so concerned with ow much this guy makes???? It makes no sense to me. People get injured in this business all the time, whether its a muscle tear, broken leg or busted nose. Get over it... And for the guy that says he has never heard pops when the NWO music hits, then you are either deaf or in denial. Hatred can be so blinding....
Guest RickyChosyu Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Its amazing how they always complain about the big men in the sport. Andre sucked, Big Show sucked, Nash sucked, Hall sucked, Undertaker sucked, Sid sucked blah blah blah. Im guessing the crybabies on this board who are more interested in how much someone is being paid definately have a lot of time on their hands (including resentment). And to those who say Nash has no name value anymore I have a question. How come they pop for him when his music hits? Nash had a decent wrestling style and yes he did not have 1001 moves like Mysterio Jr and your god of the board, Benoit, but for gosh sake stop the whining. At least some give half valid reasons why they dont like him, but to say, he earns so much money doing nothing and that is wrong, well, the first smark that refuses a job that pays a lot for little work will get a nice pat on the back by some on the board, but the majority will say, LOSER!!! WWE is made of wrestlers of all shapes and sizes so if you guys dont like the big men, too bad cause Vince loves the big men, (Lesnar at this point). Peace Nash haters cause it sounds like some of you bitter Smarks need some. AMEN AND GOD BLESS YOU!!! You know, Hall, Undertaker, and yes, Nash, were involved in good matches at various points. Even Andre, who not a good wrestler by any means, made up for it by how much of an ambasidor he was for wrestling. However, any name value those guys have now (the ones living, that is) is shot because they're old, out of shape, and just don't have it anymore. Nash doesn't try in anything he does, Taker is a proven anti-draw, same goes for Sid and Big Show, and Hall can barely stay sober half the time, let alone become successfull. Nash barely gets anything close to a pop these days. Nash hasn't been any kind of over since being in WCW, and that was partly because he carried around a card-board cut-out of Hall to sustain his face heat. Yes, Nash did have a decent wreslting style in 96. Now, he doesn't, and in reality, will probably just hurt himself or someone else if he steps back in the ring again. I'm not whining about it, just stating my opinion. Just because Nash uses his political skills to get what he wants for doing litterally nothing doesn't make it right. That hurts wrestling as a business, because he doesn't seem to realise that his time is over and that he should do the right thing and just quit, because he has no place there. His charisma has been replaced with shoot comments that are supposed to get us worked up, and other than his size he's totally worthless. Yeah, Vince loves big men. Why can't he love talented big men? Talented big men that DRAW, even? How hard is that? You make is sound like pushing Mabel again at this point would be justified because "Vince loves big men." I understand that your post was probably 99% flame-bait anyway, but please, try not to insult everyone's intelligence too much, ya know?
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 A roster spot is being wasted in a horrible way. Guys get hurt alot and guys work through the injuries too. I'm not saying that they have to do so, but I find the timing of Nash's injury to be too perfect. He used to get questionable injuries during his WCW days and try to make fake comebacks. He would also have a million excuses for why he couldn't draw, but people would rather talk abot how Triple H is holding everyone down. All I'm saying is that people don't spread the wealth. When you read about the Rock staying away from the political guys, who the hell do you think those guys are? The same thing that you guys say about Nash are the same things that are said about him by people backstage. Just because he smiles while he screws people doesn't mean that he's not screwing people.
Guest gwf0704 Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Yeah, Vince loves big men. Why can't he love talented big men? Talented big men that DRAW, even? How hard is that? You make is sound like pushing Mabel again at this point would be justified because "Vince loves big men." I understand that your post was probably 99% flame-bait anyway, but please, try not to insult everyone's intelligence too much, ya know? Well, I wasn't trying to flame anyone intentionally as I dont normally answer these posts with any kind of venom. We are all entitled to our opinion. But to answer your question NO I dont think Mabel should be pushed. I guess what you are trying to say is that Nash is older and thus is not able to perform at the level he used to. But guess what, he is still a name...... By what I mean about BIG men is that Vince likes size, otherwise we would have Cruiserweight matches as main events. He goes for the eye candy a lot in wrestlers , whether in your opinion they are talented or not. Its just the way of the beast. Anyway explain what you mean about talented big men? What do you consider talented? Is it mic skils? Pure wrestling ability? Intimidating looks? Pops? Psychology? You have to realize that big men cant do what Mysterio, Benoit, or Jericho can do, so why the hate for the big men? Nash had talent, as did the rest, but Vince keeps him on the payroll due to name value. Also, you cannot have a wrestling company without veterans. Its in every sport (used loosely here). People always want to to push the young guys, and why did they hire this old guy or that guy that used to be good. Well, if WWE had a lineup of Hurrican v Knoble, Mysterio v Orton, Chuck v Bautista, Stasiak v O'Haire and ME Lesnar v Maven. fans would turn away. It would be an Indy fed at most. You need the old in order to make the new work. Ill post my own thread about this later but sorry for the rant. Peace posters........
Guest Human Fly Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Nash is better used in this role then when he is a full time wrestler. He should only wrestle every now and then, just because he is not very good. He's good as a mouthpiece, and can come in for a big match every now and then. Keep him away from the title though.
Guest RickyChosyu Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 I'd like to break down the "Nash is a name" theory: 1) Names draw Pay Per Veiw Buy Rates/TV Ratings 2) WCW didn't get good Buy Rates or Ratings, and eventually went out of business 3) Nash was on the WCW roster when they didn't get good Buy Rates or Ratings 4) If Nash was on the WCW roster when it didn't get good buy rates or ratings, and names draw these things, then obviously, Nash is not a name. It's not rocket science, or anything. Yes, Vince loves big men. Again, there are other big men besides Nash; big men who can wrestle. Nash, in the most literall sense, can't wrestle right now. As for "Eye Candy", Nash sports one of the most visable beer bellies in the wreslting business, hardly a pleasure to the eyes. Pick almost any big man in wrestling and he looks better than Nash right now. So saying Vince has Nash around because he looks good hardly makes sense. By talented, I mean, can look good in the ring, get over, and with time, draw money. "Pops and psychology" have nothing to do with this. I don't expect big men to do what Misterio can do, I expect them to be convincing in the dominant big man style, which is something Nash can't pull off anymore, to put it lightly. Yeah, Nash had talent; he doesn't anymore, so why is he there? I already explained why he isn't a name, so there is no reason for him to be payed. None. As for "the rest" if you're refering to Taker, Hall, Sid, Andre and Big Show, the first two out of those were actually good at some point, the next guy never became a true star due to his skitzofrenic behavior, the one after that succeeded as a huge wrestling ambasidor despite being technically horrible, and the last one was a useless oaf who has yet to draw money doing anything, ever. Veteran is one thing; shelfed has-been who can't even run up the runway without looking gassed is another. Nash can't get into the ring, can't work, and has done nothing to help the company. If they were to use him as they are currently using Hogan (ie: jobbing him to make new stars for the future) then he would be serving his purpose as a vet, but he's not, so that's completely out of context here. One of the main problems is that they haven't created new stars, and while I fully agree that old stars should be used to make new ones, Nash isn't doing that, nor is he drawing money with the current spot that he has, so what exactly is he doing? Flipping his hair and pretending he's a teenager again, and that isn't worth his sallary, no matter what it is.
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 Nash's might be best in a role where he doesn't have to talk, but I'm damn sure that's not what Vince wanted. Nash gets his wa in the end because he's not wrestling at the house shows, which was a point of contention during the NWO contract signings. I'm going to see what Nash does tonight, and I'll also see what the WWF does with Booker T. I will stop waching wrestling if they bury Booker T in his NWO feud.
Guest Prince Paul Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 OK. Let's say Kevin Nash did have 1001 and moves. Are still going to deny that he's stealing a paycheck? Again, why are you so concerned with ow much this guy makes???? It makes no sense to me. People get injured in this business all the time, whether its a muscle tear, broken leg or busted nose. Get over it... And for the guy that says he has never heard pops when the NWO music hits, then you are either deaf or in denial. Hatred can be so blinding.... Because the WWE could probably be paying 2 guys Nash's salary, and the guys that replace him, can probably you know, actually work. Nash hasn't done anything since February. He is draining money from the WWE's bank account, and not making any to compensate, thus he is a DRAIN on the WWE's economy. WTF is so hard to understand about that?
Guest Nezbyte Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 I'd like to break down the "Nash is a name" theory: 1) Names draw Pay Per Veiw Buy Rates/TV Ratings 2) WCW didn't get good Buy Rates or Ratings, and eventually went out of business 3) Nash was on the WCW roster when they didn't get good Buy Rates or Ratings 4) If Nash was on the WCW roster when it didn't get good buy rates or ratings, and names draw these things, then obviously, Nash is not a name. I'd like to break down your "Nash is NOT a name" theory: 1) Ok, I agree 2) Yeah, thanks for telling me something new... 3) So were ALOT of people, some ofther smark creamers as Jericho and Benoit. And mark faves such as Savage, Flair, Sting, and Hogan, 4) Alot of name talents (see: Flair, Ric) were on the Roster at the same time. Is he not a name for the same reason.
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Posted July 1, 2002 Report Posted July 1, 2002 When Nash was running around with the NBT, Jericho and Benoit were long gone. Savage and Hogan weren't around at that time either, and Ric Flair was brought in pretty late in the game as a comissioner. You might not want to admit it, but Flair isn't much of a name anymore. Who wanted to see Flair versus Vince McMahon or any of the other matches that he has been in while in the WWF? Whatever name vaue that he had was flushed down the toilet by Bischoff and Russo. Therefore, Nash has no name value either. His presence adds nothing to a promotion, neither does Scott Hall's. Kevin Nash might pretend that he has name value, but he doesn't. He knows that the name value is in the NWO, not Kevin Nash. That's why he was pushing so hard for Scott Hall to come back to WCW, he wasn't over without him. Scott Hall isn't over without the NWO name either, witness his ventures in other promotions. Scott Hall has been given another chance with NWATNA, but he's not going to amount to shit on his own. Also, how many NWO reformations can you have before the name value diminishes? The NWO surfacing in WWF was nothing but a novelty, that's why it wasn't NWO reformation #264. Shit, how many forms of the NWO had since they've been in the WWF? They had Hogan, Nash and Hall. Nash and Hall after that. X-Pac, Nash and Hall was the next combination, then there was Nash, X-Pac and the Big Show. After that they added Booker T to the equation for a little while. They then added Shawn Michaels and kicked out Booker T on the next show. That's six versions of the NWO right there. The reason why they've done it is because Kevin Nash isn't shit without the NWO.
Recommended Posts
Please sign in to comment
You will be able to leave a comment after signing in
Sign In Now