Primary Problem w/UT

[Guest ShooterJay]

The Undertaker, IMO, is pretty useless right now. Even a clean loss to Brock will do nothing for Lesnar.

 

The problem is not how UT never jobs, it's how he jobs when he does. He never loses when it's important, like on PPV, but he jobs pretty often in meaningless tag matches and by fluke in singles matches on TV. Consequently, he doesn't have the "unbeatable aura" anymore, and simultaneously buries his opponent.

 

Rock, Foley and Austin were elevated because they beat the OLD UT, the unstoppable demon who almost NEVER lost from 1995-1998. This UT is a waste of space.

 

A clean win over HHH would mean so much more to anyone, because like the UT of old, he never loses under any non-Kliq circumstance. HHH and Austin are the only one left with any rub, and with Austin gone and HHH unwilling, the upper-midcard is in serious trouble.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I think it'd almost be good to clear out the ME entirely. UT, and HHH. Les-berg we're stuck with for a little while, apparently.

 

Some new faces in the main would probably help freshen things up.

 

(Note to WWE: Bubba Ray, Bradshaw, Rikishi, Big Show, Mark Henry, Bull Buchanan, and Albert are NOT new faces anybody wants to see.)

[Guest HartFan86]

I think HHH feuding with RVD for the IC title would be awesome. For some reason, I see them having good chemistry...and it would get HHH out of the main events for a while.

 

Taker needs to go at Wrestlemania and retire. He just doesn't have it anymore. It's getting kinda hard to even watch him. What else can the guy accomplish anyways?

[Guest Trivia247]

you Taker Haters Still Crying?

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I don't necessarily hate Taker, Trivia. He's just..well..in the way. His time to main event has come, and gone. Now he's just stinking things up.

[Guest HartFan86]

you Taker Haters Still Crying?

I hope you were pointing that towards me because I don't hate the Undertaker at all. He's been one of my favorites sinceI got into wrestling in 96 and he still is. It's just that his gimmick is really stale and not intresting and his injuries and age is biting him in the ass. He needs to retire, it's just simple as that.

[Guest Trivia247]

heh 96.

[Guest Vitamin X]

Now we go to insulting people who haven't been watching wrestling for decades, so as to impose your smark seniority on them...

[Guest buffybeast]

Some new faces in the main would probably help freshen things up.

 

(Note to WWE: Bubba Ray, Bradshaw, Rikishi, Big Show, Mark Henry, Bull Buchanan, and Albert are NOT new faces anybody wants to see.)

*I* and many others want to see Albert elevated.

[Guest buffybeast]

And I forgot, I'd love to see more of Bubba Ray. I just have the biggest crush on him.

[Guest Trivia247]

when Chris Benoit reaches 40 and Trips on his way to going up to the top rope to hit his headbutt I expect all of you to clamor for your God's retirement

[Guest BionicRedneck]

I don't understand, Trivia. Are you saying Taker is still good?

 

Just curious.

[Guest Trivia247]

Im Not saying the Man can still do a over the rope Tope anymore, though he did that last year but hell thats ages ago. doesn't mean you throw him away. He is still marketable, he's still over, and as long as he is, there isn't any reason to DEMAND his retirement.

 

Seems to happen whenever your favorite usual suspects doesn't get pushed you blame whomever is, Undertaker, Austin, HHH, the Tooth Fairy Stephanie, the Easter Bunny, Who knows Santa Claus.

 

I tried to explain a theoretical (sp) logic too the Taker vs Brock match.... That it was made to give Brock another win on a Major PPV to retain the World title. Smark cynicism claims that there is no value to Brock defeating Undertaker... Well there is if you take the step back and look at the big picture, Brock Defeated Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan clean, and He probably will The Undertaker...and In Doing that he is Displaying that he has Destroyed the Old School and replaced it with the new. Beating the Undertaker, even in the condition he is with his age... (NOT LIKE HE IS DAMN ABDULLAH THE BUTCHER EITHER) Gives him the image of Indestructable, a Goldberg if you will without the Canned Chants. Which ALLOWS whomever does step up to the plate to beat him to be unbelivably over... This is the start of the Angle, not the end...

 

I believe the One that bring down Brock is Gonna be a FACE Kurt Angle. Putting Undertaker against Brock gives Angle time to turn face going into another angle/match with perhaps Benoit. Angle would have to get over before setting his sights on Brock. There is just a bigger story to this obviously.

 

Lets face the facts, Im not exactly a Blind Taker mark, I understand he isn't as technically proficent as a Benoit, Jericho etc. The reason he is over is his presence and Character. That certainly Carried Hulk Hogan for decades, and he couldn't put a 3 move Wrestling chain with two hands and a Flashlight.

 

 

SOOOO

 

Lets recap..

 

the probable reason of the Undertaker vs Brock, is to A) Establish Brock as a Monster heel that is invincible when he beats the Undertaker, B) gives Kurt Angle time to push into a face mode, using Chris Benoit as a Heel to get him over. which leads to C) Angle vs Brock at a Big Event, Maybe Survivor Series or earlier.

 

Takes a Breath...

 

See isn't that better than saying....Umm Undertaker just Sucks....uhhh why??? because he's old and umm I say so.... BENOIT RULLLZZZZ

[Guest BionicRedneck]

OK, thats fair enough, I was just a little confused.

[Guest bob_barron]

Brock needs to make Taker his bitch-

 

No-sell the tombstone

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Here's the thing. If you can't bring it anymore, then you shouldn't be headlining the company. "Taker at this point in his career should be helping elevate midcard level talent, instead of feuding in the Main Event with Brock Lesnar.

[Guest Trivia247]

Brock needs to make Taker his bitch-

 

No-sell the tombstone

And you all Wonder why I make My Posts?

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Actually, he may be onto something there. Isn't Kane the only guy that's taken more than one Tombstone to put down? Perhaps having Lesnar kick out of it would make him look tougher..

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I know this isn't the popular thing to say here...but Taker has really stepped up his matches since winning and losing the title...his matches have gotten a lot better.

 

Although it is time for him to start losing a little more to the lesser guys.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

but Taker has really stepped up his matches since winning and losing the title...his matches have gotten a lot better.

 

Which matches are these? The Anti-Classic against "The Game" on RAW? His SS match against Test sucked too. The 8 man was good, i suppose.

[Guest HossSauce]

I have no idea what BretHart4Ever and company are talking about. The Undertaker is having his best run EVER as far as work ethic and match quality goes. He's wicked solid right now.

 

Why would you want him to retire?

[Guest Kid Kablam]

You have no idea how angry I was when Taker showed up on Smackdown and A) Introduced his hoss offence to a Benoit vs Angle match B) Decided to barely sell the crossface C) Decided to barely sell the crossface AND ankle Lock. Even Austin tapped to the Crossface walls of Jericho combo but noooooo Taker is just too tough to tap. D) Won to put him in yet another main event that he has done nothing to really deserve.

[Guest Brian]

I've never, nor has anybody, ever viewed Taker as a draw. The only time he was ever actually doing anything worthy of being called a draw was against Austin when he was ultra-hot. The better part of Taker's career has been spent as a sideshow, the majority of the pay per views he's headline have bombed, and he has never been credited for directly bringing fans in or getting them to watch.

[Guest Trivia247]

And if there was proof he did bring in any fans or Got crowd reaction everytime he came down you'd be big enough to admit it, or just ignore it?

[Guest HossSauce]

Taker IS too tough to tap. He has the highest threshold for pain in the business. That's his gimmick.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

No. That was his gimmick about 4 years ago. Now he is just selfish.

[Guest HossSauce]

No...that's his gimmick now. New look, just as evil with the same threshold for pain. That's his gimmick.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

well it sucks as a gimmick, no one should be able to shake off a submission! If he does that then Benoit should have been able to no sell the choke slam. And he did sell, sort of. He grimaced a little. If he remained stoneface, I would buy the gimmick argument, but he's just the unacceptable underseller to me.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

Yes I know everyone is shaking off submissions these days. Particularly the walls of Jericho. But that doesn't mean that an old decrepite POS should be able to show up a viable worker.

[Guest Trivia247]

Selfish???

 

Him holding onto the few elements he got of the only gimmick he had that worked...

 

Its not like he Clutching the World Championship and begging and pleading not to lose it. In 11 years he only had 4 world championship runs, as oppose to Rock's what 6 or 7 since his appearance in late 96? It doesn't appear at least to me that he is Demanding to be Every main event or be on every show. I already made my claim on his involvement in the World championship match its not being selfish if he is being set up to Lose to Brock Lesnar.... I imagine not to many was hopping up and down to volunteer to job to Brock at a PPV to Establish his world Championship run.

 

Complaining that Taker doesn't tap why? Its not like he is purposely Defiantly going agianst storylines because of his own preferances. Matches get planned ahead of time, and they get practiced before matches and somewhere between that time both Benoit and Angle thought that was a Cool spot to slap on a double submission on Taker and he doesn't tap. If the Wrestlers who are actually in the ring Doing things that Could Injury Themselves and others are Cool with it.... then whats the point?