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I am amazed that the Knicks are tied for a playoff spot this late in the season. This was supposed to be another throw away year for Mike D and the boys.

I don't see anything resembling an effective argument. Saying Anderson is comparable to Williams as YKRG did ignores the minor problem that Williams walked almost 700 more times then Anderson did. That's a full 54 points of career OBP. I wouldn't even say Hall of Very Good. Anderson was an above average player who had a couple very good years. Al, I said that they were comparable based on stats. I also clearly pointed out that Bernie was much better in terms of Walks, Runs scored, OBP and OPS plus. Bernie Williams Games 2076 Hits 2336 Doubles 449 Homeruns 287 RBI's 1257 Batting Average .297 Garrett Anderson Games 2013 Hits 2368 Doubles 489 Homeruns 272 Rbi's 1292 Batting Average .296 Runs Bernie 1366 Anderson 1024 Walks Bernie 1069 Anderson 397 OBP Bernie .381 Anderson .327 OPS Plus Bernie 125 Anderson 105 I want to point out that Anderson only had 8 seasons above 100, only 3 of them were above 120. His other 7 seasons were below 100. His peak was 131. Bernie on the other hand, had 13 seasons out of 16 where he had an ops plus of 100. He had 8 seasons in a row where his OPS Plus was above 120 and his 1994 season was 119 which would make that 9 seasons. From 1997-2002 Bernie had an OPS PLus of at least 140 every single year with the Peak being 160 in 1998.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3859198 What a bitter old man he has become. How can anybody be so bitter after making tens of millions, playoffs every year and 4 Championships? What he has done is completely classless and clueless. He doesn't need the money to air dirty laundry out in public.

This is classic From Bronx Banter: Quote: Verducci writes that Clemens’ usual pregame preparation included taking a whirlpool bath at the hottest temperature possible. “He’d come out looking like a lobster,” Yankee trainer Steve Donahue told Verducci. Donahue would then rub hot liniment all over Clemens’ body. “Then Donahue would rub the hottest possible liniment on his testicles,” Verducci writes. “He’d start snorting like a bull,” the trainer said. “That’s when he was ready to pitch.” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That's a real suprise. It was mentioned in the book that Joe had Carl brought back up to NY one year after rehab so the rest of the teammates could give him a hard time.

He reminds me of R Lee Ermey in that picture.

He still needs two more seasons to qualify. I am sure that the HOF would change the 10 year rule for him. Pujols can stink up the joint the next two years and be a first ballot HOF.

Pujols can retire tommorow and will get in on the first ballot.

Who put Amani Toomer? hahahahahahahahahah. I am a Giants fan and I would never put him on the that list. He will go down as the greatest Giants WR of all time though.

I would've put him down, but I find it silly to put down players with not even a handful of seasons. It is just far too soon. A lot of the names mentioned so far have made me laugh, but I've kept it to myself. Oh, you have to share - that's half the fun of this. I nearly shit myself when YKRG mentioned Robby Cano earlier, but hey he had a POV and the debate was interesting. I've found some of these choices just absolutely bizarre, especially for my Red Sox. Beckett? Youkilis? You've got to be kidding me. W/R/T Pedroia: I don't see a future HOFer, but a ROY, MVP, GG and WS ring in two seasons is quite amazing. If 2008 is the norm and not the exception then he might have that sort of career. Still awfully early to even start that type of thinking. Hell Nomar looked like a Hall of Famer before he died. I never said Cano was a HOFer, I said he had HOF potential based off comparing him to previous HOFer's careers based on their first 4 seasons. That is a big difference.

I would've put him down, but I find it silly to put down players with not even a handful of seasons. It is just far too soon. A lot of the names mentioned so far have made me laugh, but I've kept it to myself. Please do share, I would love to get your Opinion. This is what the message board is for.

Anderson has very simliar numbers to that of Bernie. Hits, HR's, BA, Doubles and Games Played. Bernie has the huge advantage in runs scored, OBP, Walks and OPS Plus. Has Anderson been signed yet?

Absolutely. Hell, if I had a HOF vote I'd gladly cast it for Bernie. I loved Bernie, him and Paul O'Neill were my two favorite players during the dynasty era. They both had very similiar career numbers when they retired. Bernie didn't show life at the start of his career like Jeter did and that cost Bernie a lot. I was listening to the radio and Mike Francessa was pointing out of how in Joe's new book that Joe wanted to keep Bernie in 2007 as a dh/ph/1b combo but Cashman was against it and wanted to use Doug M. and Andy Phillips in those roles. This is due to Cashman not wanting to have to release Bernie mid year if he didn't pan out. That just absolutely pissed me off that the Yankees did that to Bernie after a season where he hit .280 with 12 hr's and 60 rbi's in limited playing time. Bernie put up some excellent seasons during his prime which really dont stand out due to the Steroid freaks who decided to ruin everything. Bernie was an all around great player whose best season was 1999 when he had 200 hits, 100 runs, 100 rbi's and 100 walks. He was the first player to do that since Lou Gehrig for the Yankees. The only other player to do it for the Yankees was Babe Ruth.

I dont want to bash players from previous generations but there are alot of head scratchers who made it into the HOF from the catcher posistion. Roger Bresnahan, Buck Ewing, Rick Ferrell, Ernie Lombardi, Ray Schalk all stick out to me. I think that if a player is one of the top two/three players at their posistion year in and year out for over a decade they should be a lock. Posada has to pad his stats a little more to be able to be compared to Berra, Bench, Fisk, Carter, IRod and Piazza.

I want to nominate Jorge Posada for the Hall of Very Good. He will go down as the third best hitting catcher to come up in the 1990's and play until the 2010ish. The first two being Piazza and IRod. Almost every year he had 20 HR's, 90 Rbi's and an ops plus of 120. I think he is the most underrated player of the past generation. I think for Jorge to have a shot at the HOF he would have to hit another 80 HR's and drive in 300 more runs to give himself 300 HR's 1200 RBI's which is quite good for a catcher. He is signed for another 3 years but time will tell if he can bounce back and contribute like he did pre 2008 injury year.

I just read that Mickey Rourke has pulled out. http://defamer.com/5141542/defamer-...of-wrestlemania Quote: When we intuited that Mickey Rourke was having second thoughts about a Wrestlemania appearance that would obliterate both Chris Jericho and his Oscar hopes, we weren't far off the mark. Rourke's publicist just told us: "Mickey was very honored to be asked as he has the greatest respect for WWE however he will not be participating in Wrestle-Mania. He is focusing entirely on his acting career." Crisis averted (consider those staples gingerly plucked out). Now, Rourke is free to get back to his most pressing matters: Oscar Q&As in retirement homes, renegotiating his Iron Man 2 salary, and picking out a suitable strand of dental floss for Bai Ling to wear on the Oscar red carpet.

Really dude,really? I think he means that Pedroia and Papelbon are HOF Potential. As in very good young players who if they keep it up for the next 10 seasons plus would get in.

I'm not. Maybe my meaning doesn't come across well. Look at this from the Yankees perspective. Jeter is a nice player, a popular player. This is not a team desperate to sell tickets though. They are going to sell out that stadium no matter who is playing shortstop. If Jeter is a subpar player, not reaching the postseason is going to kill their income far faster than selling #2 jerseys. And if Jeter says, "I'll go to Pittsburgh or someplace," the Yankees avert a PR problem. If Jeter wants to stay in NY and hit 3000, the Yankees can offer him a one year deal or whatever and get it done. If Jeter wants to be a Yankee, the negotiation ball is in their court. The Yankees would face PR Nightmare Shitstorm for months if they let Derek walk to another team. NYC has 3-4 major newspapers covering the team, 2 24 hour sports talk radio stations, other radio stations, local media from southern Conn, Westchester, North NJ all covering the team. The front office is not going to put themselves in the posistion of being constantly bitched at by the media, fans etc for treating him like Shit. If the Yankees miss the playoffs because Derek has become a liability than the Yankees have alot bigger problems other than Jeter. The Yankees wouldn't avert a PR nightmare if Jeter says he wants to play somewhere else. The Media and Fans would blame the Front Office for making him feel that way. The only option is that Jeter plays as long as he wants and retires when wants. He didn't switch posistions when Arod came, he is still ss 6 seasons later and there isn't any talk of moving him.

Wouldn't the pressure be on Jeter though? He's the one seeking the milestone. If he wants to go to the Pirates and pursue 3,000, the Yankees might bid him adieu at that point. I hope you are Kidding. Jeter wouldn't have the talent pool of women to be fucking a different model, actress or singer everyday if he were in Pittsburgh. Plus Jeter is so into being a Yankee, I am sure he wants to go down in his mind as the Greatest Yankee ever. He isn't going to ruin his Yankee reputation going to another team.

I think the 2 girls at the end choose the person that they want to be with and that person decides if she is the one for them. It is confusing but the two twins are so fucking hot.

I believe I read that VH1 gave/offered a bonus to the producers of Flavor of Love if they came up with 16 IP's. Which is why you have all of these spinoffs. I Love Money 2 Stars in a week. And Megan from ROL 2, I Love Money, Charm School 2, Beauty and the Geek is getting her own show as well. It's going to be called Trophy Wife.

That's the ultimate Yankee quandary. How they deal with Jeter is going to be very interesting the next couple seasons. Luckily for them they will have two years of performance before they need to make a decision. Ok well they aren't going to offer him just a one year deal when he is on the verge of breaking 3000 and passing 10-20 HOFers on the hit record. Jeter sells tickets, merchandise and brings in cable ratings. The Yankees aren't going to lowball him or get rid of him if he turns into a .275 hitter.

I can't buy Cano over Biggio. The Astrodome in the mid-90s was still the toughest hitters' park in baseball. Biggio was regularly producing OBPs over .400, hitting more extra base hits, stealing more bases, rarely grounding into double plays and winning gold gloves. Joe Morgan was producing quite well, it's just that no one realized it due to the extreme environment. Morgan's OBPs in his first three seasons though are better than Cano's best. That's before we even look at context. And the point about Kent is that it wasn't a Hall of Fame start to a career by any means. His candidacy snuck up on people. The problem is that by then Jeter is likely to be a .280/.350/.390 type of hitter. His slugging percentage barely cleared .400 last season. How enthusiastic will the Yankees be to carry a hitter like that at a premium offensive position, and then proclaim it's "World Series or bust?" I can give you the arguments about Cano but I still think that his first 4 years are comparable and baseball writers only look at a couple of stats. What are the Yankees supposed to do with Derek during the 2010 offseason going into 2011? Offer him a one year deal like they did to Joe Torre? Jeter is the most popular player on the team, the fans love him, the Front Office loves him, he makes money for the team. Torre wasn't brought back because he was blamed for the teams failures and he didn't have good relationships with alot of people in the Front Office. Jeter is going to play as long as he wants to play. The team is his.

I didn't mind that a Twins Player won the MVP in 2006. I think it should have been Mauer or Santanta. My problem was that it was the third best player on the team winning the award. My other problem was the writer from Chicago who voted Jeter behind Arod in the voting because "American league catchers told him that Arod was more "clutch" bullshit".

Very good points about the 2b. Biggio was a catcher his first 4 years, He didn't become a 2b until 1992. Cano was just as good if not better than Biggio during their first 4 years at 2b in terms of Offense. Joe Morgan might have been hitting in hell but Jimmy Wynn was able to figure it out at the Astrodome. You would be suprised if you looked up Jeff Kent's #s while he was with the Mets. He was offensively one of the better 2b in the National League and was All Star Caliber while playing for the Mets. The 1993 NL Roster had Sandberg and Jay Bell. Kent's #'s were just as good if not better. The 1994 NL Roster had Mariano Duncan, Biggio and Carlos Garcia. You can make a strong argument that Kent should have been the starter that year for the NL Roster. The 1995 NL Roster had Biggio and Mickey Morandini as the backup. With all due respect to your Phillie, Kent was better that year and should have been the backup. The reason why Cano drew little support during his best season is because everybody was going crazy over Jeter in 2006. Arod also put up an above average season. I agree with you that Jeter isn't going to break the record for most hits. I do picture him getting 3500. Derek has 2 more years left on his contract and is 3 seasons away from 3000 hits. I do not picture him signing only a one year deal just so he can come back to get 3000. By then the Yankees might move him to corner of or dh if Jeter realizes that it's time to move on past ss.