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I love Reggie, he was a great player and pretty classy, but I think the reason he gets so much praise is because he stayed with the same team for so long. He was also really streaky towards the end of his career, scoring 20 points one game and the next mayb 7 or 8.

I guess the best way to factor this in would be to include Finals MVP into the equation.

This is MTV we're talking about so I'm gonna say yes.

I'm now done with this thread. I don't know how many times I have to put down that Pippen only has those rings because of Jordan. Comparing Kobe to Pippen must be a joke. Really. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ha Ha, I win, just kidding.

What confuses me is he says championships are important and then trashes my ranking of Scottie Pippen, who has six rings to his credit. I guess we should disregard Kobe's rings too since he wouldn't have won shit without Shaq. While we're at it, who gets credit for Detroit last year? Billups won the Finals MVP, but you could also say Hamilton, Ben or Rasheed are all equally deserving of being the most important player. One can't say Maravich wasn't a good player either, he was just surrounded by garbage for the majority of his career.

I don't think you need to second any votes. I'd give Ibuki one, though. Cute kunoichis = My nominations: Earthworm Jim (just about the only reason anyone would play Clayfighter 64. And since it's for the character, not the game, he squeezes by on a technicality) Geese Howard - Might be an obvious choice, but sometimes bosses are forgotten. Awesome character design, very menacing presence, awesome moves (and often cheap as hell), and one of the greatest stage themes in a fighting game ever. Lord Raptor/Zabel - if Darkstalkers had sucked, it's character designs would still be worth mentioning. First time I played the arcade game, I was drawn to this crazy-looking mofo. A heavy-metal shredding zombie mofo who can stab you with his own ribs, kick your ass and dance on your body, turn his limbs into chainsaw blades, and roll you up into a ball and slam dunk you. (Plus he's representing the Aussies, UYI.) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Man, I forgot Earthworm Jim was in that game! That was a game that kinda sucked, but it was still decent enough as a time waster. I don't play many fighting games so no nominations

Even though you hated on my NBA list, that was still pretty funny.

Fit motherfuckin' Finlay.

I knew I'd get shit for having Penny on the list, but for about four years Penny was pretty fuckin' good, and his first seven years he was pretty damn good. His all-around game is(was) sound and he made four all-star games and got all-NBA three times, twice being elected first team.

Bill Simmons from espn.com put it this way Al: Would you rather have Karl Malone's career or Robert Horry's? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you want the honest to God truth; Malone's. Hell, he he made millions more than Horry has made. Malone made about 106 million, while Horry made 44 million. Still nothing to cry about, but that's less than twice what Malone made.

If winning something means so much, why do you shit all over Pippen? Duncan sure as hell wouldn't have won a title without Robinson in '99. What I considered as far as rankings: Career points Career rebounds Career assists MVP awards NBA 50th Anniversary Team All-NBA Teams All-Star games All-NBA 1st team in defense Career scoring average When I ranked them by "peak value" I condensed those factors into only the players peak years. Malone's peak was more than a decade, as he was still performing at a top level well into his career, where most players would have tapered off by then. Duncan's peak has been 8 years now, a little less than half of what Malone's peak was, but it still shows you how great Duncan is because he is only two spots behind Malone with that said. Being the number 5 player in the past thirty years is not something to complain about, especially when the four above you are MJ, Shaq, Malone, and Barkley. Do I sound nerdy yet?

Malone was so productive for so long he has to be at #3. He was a force for 14 straight years in the NBA, that has to count for something.

By 1984, I mean '83-'84, so Sampson is in.

Here is the revised list, taking into account their peak value as well as their career value: 50. Eddie Jones 49. Jamal Mashburn 48. Shawn Marion 47. Vin Baker 46. Sam Cassell 45. Latrell Sprewell 44. Larry Johnson 43. Antoine Walker 42. Dennis Rodman 41. Ralph Sampson 40. Reggie Miller 39. Shawn Kemp 38. Ben Wallace 37. Jermaine O'Neal 36. Steve Francis 35. Joe Dumars 34. Dikembe Mutombo 33. Anfernee Hardaway 32. Brad Daugherty 31. Chris Mullin 30. Stephon Marbury 29. Ray Allen 28. Mark Price 27. Paul Pierce 26. Alonzo Mourning 25. Mitch Richmond 24. Steve Nash 23. Kevin Johnson 22. Vince Carter 21. Tim Hardaway 20. Dirk Nowitzki 19. Scottie Pippen 18. Tracy McGrady 17. Gary Payton 16. Chris Webber 15. Grant Hill 14. Jason Kidd 13. Clyde Drexler 12. Kobe Bryant 11. Patrick Ewing 10. John Stockton 9. Kevin Garnett 8. Allen Iverson 7. David Robinson 6. Hakeem Olajuwon 5. Tim Duncan 4. Charles Barkley 3. Karl Malone 2. Shaquille O'Neal 1. Michael Jordan

This is a career ranking, I'm going to post my "peak" rankings later. Chambers started in '83, so he misses it by one year. Steve Smith was a pretty decent scorer but I don't think he was top 50 material. Willis makes it on their for longevity, if nothing else.

Nah, you're just bad at ranking people. Quit being defensive. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, God forbid I defend my own list with facts and figures. And who said I was being defensive?

I guess the fact that Pippen scored 18,940 points, had 6,135 assists, was named one of the 50 greatest players of all time, made All-NBA seven times, was selected for seven all-star games, and made all-defensive first team eight times in a row seems to slip people's minds. It's also very possible that Garnett and AI would end up ranked higher after their careers are over.

Franca/Thomson was a dark match wasn't it? I don't recall seeing it on the PPV broadcast.

Yeah, but he was also five time All-NBA and a seven time all-star, that should count for something and it's more than just about anybody below him has.

"Tha Shiznit." I would guess any song where the artist refers to himself as the shit should count.

Johnny Cash is another one of those musicians (along with Bob Marley and others) who people act like they are big fans of, yet they couldn't name more than ten songs by said artist.

Benoit's and Guerrero's DVD's look to have some great shit on them too. And the Shawn Michaels "From the Vault" is pretty bare bones but the matches on there are great, I have that DVD.

Ok, I've started to watch some more wrestling recently, but ONLY "classic" or old school" stuff, pretty much pre-1999, with maybe some later stuff thrown on. If anyone can list the top 10 DVD's focusing mainly on this era it would be much appreciated. Thanks

Bushido kicks ass, I'm starting to like it better than any other org.

MX already answered it, why do you need Ripper? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ripper would give a definitive be-all, end-all definition of it though.