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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3488548.stm http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1156539,00.html Both of these are big news in the U.K. at the moment, especially the Katherine Gunn case, as there casting an uncomfortable light on the Britsih case for war. Plus there is the whole legal and moral question of the spying itself.

Spain and the Papel States were also very counter-reformist as well I believe

I'll introduce culture, history and the arts into this forum if it kills me

Also the religous extremisim of the Habsburgs

I was, but i'm finding this all quite facinating

I think it was a combination of both. There were many people who did believe that there were problems in how the Church operated, and their were valid reasons for reform. On the other hand, all this division wound up rearing its ugly heads at times, like when Oliver Cromwell and co. took over England. The French Wars of Religon is a good example

Avatars, names, jesus can't you just stick to the one thing

I'm going to bed, when I get up tomorrow I expect to see a real shitstorm. Get cracking 'trane.

Lutheranism, welcome reform of a corrupt system or divisonal secterian mess?

Well, nuts to that. In all seriousness, I don't think i'll be going to see this. I'm not a christian and though i'm slightly interested to see how it comes off I don't think i'll waste my time going to see it.

Arghh, make up your mind. I thought i was indesicive

I like them all, but Temple of Doom has always been number 1 for me, I think its because it has such a dark atmosphere (And the Temple itself kicks ass)

Listen, lets just get to the important issue here, Does Monica Bellucci look hot?

Yeah, I noticed that as well

Yeah, thats the one. I'm sure I read that there were 3 black popes in the 1st millenium AD. Anyone know anything about that?

I think there was a black English Queen at one point, I know there were at least 3 black popes. EDIT: Well I think there were black popes, but quick research doesn't show anything on them. Maybe they were North African

This will be ...... interesting at the very least

A face only a mother could love

Fuck, I forgot to add Chave to my list. I knew I was forgetting someone

Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom

Who are you again?

Northern Irish

You're in there son

Ha ha, none really, I was just taking the piss

So, those Welsh sterotypes are all true