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I don't believe Rude won that one. The referee never came to, Cactus Jack came down, Sting left for the ring (I have my doubts as to if he was really ever at the "commentary table" since we didn't see him on camera) and while Sting was clearing the ring, Jake came out of the crowd. I honestly don't buy that any Sid match went 35 minutes. My money is on that particular fan having a few too many to drink that night. Btw, a friend of mine recently picked up a large amount of Observers from 92 (looking for SMW results) and came across a few instances of Simmons losing the world title on house shows. Two, actually. Once to Rude and once to Vader. And both were in September / October. He e-mailed Meltzer about it and Dave replied by saying that's what his sources said happened. So, really, there's no way to confirm whether or not they're accurate. This is WCW and weirder things have happened but, with Bill Watts wanting to push Simmons to the moon and the fact these "title changes" were never mentioned on TV (and what's the point of doing a title change at a house show if you can't mention it on TV?), I'm not sure if I buy that information myself.

That was probably just the fan in attendance mishearing. Having gone through my share of archived results on RSPW, I've found that to often be the case when the guy hasn't appeared on TV much and the fans don't know him. Once the site is updated, I'll send over some of my detailed handheld results.

The WWF was slowly going into a downturn beginning in 1990. It just sped up with the absense of Hogan. Neither Hogan / Flair nor Flair / Savage were high drawing programs. So if those don't draw, what will? Anyone else in that position during that time (especially 1992-93) wouldn't have drawn any stronger.

This isn't the first time either man has been asked. I would be surprised if Dusty agreed. What does Vince McMahon's personal endorsement mean to him? Zero, unless he can get something out of it.

Yeah but Hogan / Orndorff was far and above the others in terms of drawing power. 6 weeks after Orndorff turned heel, they sold out CNE in Toronto with 64,000. Their house show run completely changed the business. It was due to the success of their program that the cookie-cutter house show, with the same matches and finishes in every city, came into existance.

The Christian jump is too predictable. I'd prefer they switch the world champions and bring Cena on Raw instead.

Fixed, thanks. 1974-1996 are now up along with whatever promotional ads I have for the shows.

He had a delayed reaction. But, once it took effect, he sold it for about 7 months before coming back.

To go along with the sections I've made for Madison Square Garden, Maple Leaf Gardens, the Boston Garden, and the Capital Centre, I've begun work on compiling all the results from the Philadelphia Spectrum. So far I have 1974-1989 posted. The page is not acessible via The History of WWE yet because I'm still wanting to fill in some blanks before it's made official. Here's a link to what I have thus far. If anyone can help in terms of missing matches, match details, which cards were televised on PRISM and which weren't, show attendance, or who was on the commentary teams, any of that would be much appreciated. Thanks. http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling/cawthon777/spectrum.htm

Regarding the Bret / HBK match: WWF @ Portland, ME - Civic Center - July 21, 1992 (6,054) Wrestling Challenge taping: WWF IC Champion Bret Hart defeated Shawn Michaels (w/ Sensational Sherri) in a ladder match at 13:46 after dropkicking the ladder, causing the challenger to fall off, crotch himself on the top rope, and fall to the floor (Smack'm Whack'm; Most Unusual Matches Ever 1994; Bret the Hitman Hart - His Greatest Matches 93)

Jericho was in the US title tournament in March 99. He does a clean job to Booker, then during the Spring Break Nitro asks to be put back in by Flair. Flair puts him back in and he does another clean job, this time to Steiner, via the Steiner Recliner.

IIRC, the Outsiders' theme was Hendrix as well if that's what you mean.

Jimi Hendrix is porno music?

Vinnie's grandfather was Roderick James "Jess" McMahon. His father was Vincent Jess McMahon. But I don't think Vince Sr. ever went by Jess. The Shea shows were few and far between. One in 72, one in 76, and one in 80. But I do agree that business was pretty good in the 70s, generally speaking. Most of the more celebrated WWF stops opened in the 70s (the Spectrum, the Capital Center, the Nassau Coliseum, etc). So yeah, compared to the 60s, the bingo halls were much smaller in number.

JTTS Rick McGraw being beaten down by Roddy Piper and being taken backstage on a stretcher after a match on Championship Wrestling. The day before that match aired, McGraw died.

The Shea Stadium shows came long after Jess passed the torch to Vince Sr. (1935). The first Shea show was 1972 with Pedro vs. Bruno, and none of those sold out. Not sure about the Boston Garden but MSG wrestling was pretty new at that point. The bingo halls is more right than wrong.

Flair actually debuted on Prime Time Wrestling. It's on the Flair DVD.

I'm guessing we'll get a 2-3 hour feature to go along with the matches. THAT might be worth watching even if most of us have already seen the matches themselves. And if they're including guys from AWA, WCCW, NWA, AWA, etc in the matches - the feature should be pretty impressive.

So I got back from class this morning and noticed I had a message on my answering machine. Turns out it was an automated message from the Hulkster urging me to order Backlash and see his return to PPV. I'm guessing they grabbed the call list from people who have ordered PPVs recently. Maybe it's just because I'm heavily medicated right now but I think I'll save that message for quite a while. Looks like the WWE is going all out to hype one of the least hyped shows of the year.

http://www.carolinachampionshipwrestling.com/ Looks like he's already taking indy bookings. Personally I think Lita and Trish should just do a double turn. I know that means we no longer get heel Trish but how can we have both women be heel?

Off the top of my head, Dibiase made him pass out to the Million $ Dream to win the tag belts. It's not a pin but, IMO, a submission is even better.

If there weren't talks, there should have been talks. I kinda expected the Alliance to win that match for that sole reason.

Pretty sure he was injured just before Survivor Series. He was supposed to be in the Rumble but pulled out and left the WWF because his dad, Blackjack Mulligan, and brother, Kendall Windham, got into some trouble with counterfieting and Barry didn't want to get Vince mixed up in it by being Barry's employer. So for that reason he left. The story I always heard was that Dusty bet Vince he could get over no matter what gimmick he was saddled with. By then, Dusty was pretty much done with full time wrestling. From Vince's standpoint, what's the point in putting Dusty over the top guys like Savage, Dibiase, etc when they are in their prime and Dusty's far past his? Raymond did retire and the 90 Rumble was their last match because of that. Don't know the rest of the answers. In that era, I doubt it. The Rougeaus were largely just a comedy team. I don't mean that to sound bad but they were the 80s equivalent to what Christian is today. Very talented, very over, but in the era of Demolition, the Powers of Pain, the Colossal Connection, etc - they weren't going to be the top team. The women's title died during the summer of 89. Nothing happened between the two. By the time of WrestleMania V, Sherri had already debuted as Savage's new manager (to air after the PPV).

There may have been one earlier than the 87 card. A lot of people out there (perhaps even Meltzer) claim JYD won the first, so there may have been another Rumble held in St. Louis maybe in 86.

I imagine the WWE will pick him up eventually, even if it's a one-spot for the ECW show. Here's a quote from the most recent Observer, which I received today: "They are looking at reviving some old ECW rivalries but the idea for the matches is to have the guys wrestle who can put on good matches, and not to do an old-timers thing like a Memphis or Carolinas nostalgia show. The feeling is if you have bad matches with guys who are past their prime, while people may accept it anyway, many will rip the bad wrestling after the fact. It will kill the market for another show. It is being put together with the idea of building for a second show at some point, just as the 6/10 Shane Douglas show in Philadelphia is being put together with the idea to then take the concept on tour, since talks of TNA doing house shows are non-existant... There will be appearances by as many ex-ECW wrestlers as they can find, in some form or fashion, although there are also a few ex-ECW stars who, for whatever reason, there is very little interest in using, with Johnny Grunge of Public Enemy perhaps the most notable." Interesting to note is that Melzer lists RVD, Tazz, New Jack, and even Shane Douglas as guys the WWE might be interested in using - if only to make a cameo on the show. Mysterio vs. Psychosis or Juventud is rumored to take place as well as a possible Tajiri vs. Super Crazy match. The WWE guys on roster who may participate in matches include Lance Storm, the Dudleys, Dreamer, Benoit, Eddie, Spike, Simon Dean, Dawn Marie, Jericho, Heyman, Snow, Rhyno (yes, Rhyno), Psychosis, Malenko, and Nunzio. They are also trying to bring in Masato Tanaka for the show. And, last I heard, Terry Funk was working both the WWE and the Douglas event.