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Well I would say that since the big gold belt was called the World Heavyweight Title when it was unified with the WWF title and since Brock physically possessed the Undisputed title belt the only thing to do was bring back the only belt that was left from the two.....I suppose EB could've brought back the winged belt from the WWF but it made more sense to use the same name and title because it would've really been messed up to call the old WWF belt the World Championship.... On a side note I think that it's funny that the REAL WWE(F) tag titles that the Un-Americans brought from SD! are now called the World Tag Titles and the SD! titles are the WWE Tag Titles..I know it makes more sense from a storyline and brand perspective but MAN! has Vince really done a number on the history of wrestling championships...

Note: this is all from memory, so feel free to correct me. WCW used to be an affiliate of the NWA. The Big Gold Belt was the NWA World Title. In January 1991, Flair regains the NWA World Title by beating Sting in East Rutherford, NJ. Flair is also recognized as the first WCW World Champion. Theoretically, Flair was recognized as both the NWA World Champion and the WCW World Champion. In July 1991, Flair quits WCW. WCW strips him of the WCW World Title. Lex Luger beats Barry Windham at The Great American Bash to win the vacant WCW World Title. The NWA continues to recognize Flair as the NWA World Champion. In September, the NWA strips Flair of the NWA World Title. In 1992, Masahiro Chono beats Rick Rude in the finals of a tournament for the vacant NWA World Title. Shortly after returning to WCW in 1993, Flair wins the NWA World Title by beating Barry Windham at Beach Blast. For the record, Vader is the WCW World Champion at this point. In September 1993, WCW withdraws from the NWA. The NWA no longer recognizes Flair as the NWA World Champion. However, WCW still possess the physical Big Gold Belt, which is now dubbed the "International World Title." For all intents and purposes, the International World Title didn't mean anything because it was a made-up title. The whole International World Title nonsense finally comes to an end when Flair beats Sting to unify the WCW World Title and the International World Title. From that point on, WCW starts to use the Big Gold Belt as the (unified) WCW World Title. thanks...that sounds about right

He did all of that except take the title back from the Undisputed Championship. He created a new title, once again called it the World Heavyweight Championship, and brought back the old belt, but he never took back his portion of the Undisputed Championship. This was made quite clear at the time. Brock, since there was a new title on RAW, simply went back to being called the WWE Champion, but kept the actual Undisputed Title. The Undisputed Championship is still around the waist of Eddy Guerrero. Benoit's belt was created in September 2002, and has the same name and actual belt as the old World Heavyweight Championship held by the Rock. Not that it matters much. I'm all for the idea that a title only means as much as how it is being used currently or in the immediate past. But from a historical perspective, Eddy has the more valuable title. I'm in agreement on that one...it could be the WWA title on Benoit right now and the title would still mean more because of the quality of challengers and matches..I know that the belt on SD! is the old WWE(F) title but what we need is a transcipt of what EB said that night on Raw... So what you say is that the title the Rock lost to Jericho and the one currently held by Benoit are different...just want to make sure I understand....my head is beginning to spin from this

I don't agree...WCW died at SS and the old title was renamed the World Heavyweight Championship...not the WCW title..it wasn't called that when Jericho unified the two titles...when Bischoff brought the belt back he specifically said he was giving the belt to the number one contender and last man who held that title who was HHH...and he again called the title by its former name...the World Heavyweight Championship...if the lineage still exists then it is in the belt currently around the waist of Chris Benoit

Wait!!! Throw in a classic Bashams vs. Too Old and Phat...10 more minutes!!!

Booker t will win a 10 minute match with UT. Haas/Rico will leave with the titles in some fashion...maybe by DQ but expect a 6-man with these guys and RVD in there somewhere-goes 20 minutes plus if it's a 6-man Chavo vs. whoever in ***I hope*** 20 minutes I expect a cruiser tag...Rey and Kidman vs. Noble and maybe Nunzio in 20 minutes Expect Jindrak vs. somebody in a 2 minute squash(hopefully) Cena/Dupree in 10 minutes Eddie wins in 20 minutes.. 10 minutes of filler crap... let's see...not even 2 hours and I just made most of that stuff up...we're in trouble

Aahhh...thanks for reminding me.. one can only hope that he is next in line for Chavo.

Yeah..WTF is up with those tats anyways...it's like they gotta brand those guys like Vince's own cattle or something....very weird and their moveset is basically the same for most of them...are their any cruisers in OVW for crying out loud?

Was that the promo on raw when HHH said Booker T championed WCW into the ground? By the way that shot of HHH Pedigreeing that dude is way sick!

Yep..pretty much all of his promos were about Booker either being Champion of a terrible company or him being a criminal..and it didn't help when Jim Ross called WCW a second rate promotion too just because "Ah used tah work there and bah gawd it was a joke"...yeah...same joke that whipped your sorry asses for a few years JR...sometimes Vince and his crew are just incredible in their stupidity when it comes to the history of the "business" that they seem to love so much

I think HHH was simply refering to Booker T's reign as a WCW champion which is NOT what the World Heavyweight Title is although the actual belt is the same(or of similair design)...Benoit never held the World Title until he won at Mania...I know that in the mid-90's the big gold belt was used as the WCW International Heavyweight title but at any time prior to the Sting/Flair matchup that unified the two titles in WCW was the big gold belt ever called the World Heavyweight Championship?

Did anybody mention the Guyver...yeah I know...no series but it was so short you could call it a movie..but the Guyver anime is very good...and whoever made this post should give some of the anime series a try...Eva is probably the best story I've ever seen and the emotion involved in that show is off the charts...also Blue Gender was awesome once it started rolling ...the fact that the creators of that show were able to take such off the wall premises and make them into emotional and captivating stories solidaified my love for anime..oh and don't limit yourself to Cartoon Network..it's fun to watch sometimes but I need unedited goodness

You would think that they could look at what happened to ECW and their terrible time slot on TNN and how that killed what was a much more viable product than TNA....it could be just a matter of time now...damnit I wish somebody could just get a good t.v deal for Tuesday night...

Jericho was WCW Cruiserweight champ prior to leaving WCW,not Light Heavyweight Champ(but I see your point especially since he was the first Undisputed Champion)..and damn did everybody get a run with the Hardcore Title?

Point taken but I don't see how the WWE title can still be considered the unified title...it certainly is not the Unidisputed Title that the new belt(the one Eddie wears) symbolized because once Raw was not given the option of challenging for the title and re-established the World Heavyweight Championship, that effectively killed the Undisputed Championship because you can't be Undisputed if there is another World Champion in the company...and furthermore the title that was brought back for HHH carries the same name..the World Championship.. so in my humble opinion it is the same belt that the Rock carried after WCW was finally put out its misery...look at it this way...the titles were unified...Big Gold Belt and the Big WWF Belt with the wings on it..the two belts that HHH last carried...then came the Undisputed Title(the new belt)..and after the brand split it was agreed that the champ would defend on both shows...when this agreement was broken the title was no longer recognized as Undisputed and reverted back to the WWF(soon WWE) title and the big gold belt was recognized AGAIN as the World Championship...I guess we may never no unless the WWE made a specific statement about the two titles...does anybody have a copy of Bischoffs speech from that RAW?

I'm just curious...the man has so many accomplishments after winning every WWE title so quickly...can anyone tell me who his first run with the tag titles was with? And he was also a Hardcore champ as well so wouldn't that make him the most decorated champion in WWE history?

Children please.....we're having a civilized discussion about rap artists appearing on a wrestling pay per view..no need for all of this craziness

I am in agreement...as sad as I am not seeing Angle in the ring anymore at least I'm not worried as I was everytime I saw somebody throw him into the damn turnbuckle or getting dropped on his head...I hope that this sentiment is echoed by everybody at the WWE offices...Angle will no doubt go down as one of the all time greats and I know everybody would be more than happy to see him as an on air personality...hell I would like to see him as an announcer...get rid of Tazz and put Kurt at the table...the man can contribute in so many ways but for right now in ring action just isn't one of his options

Face it guys...Vinnie Mac has gone totally fucking insane...he really thinks that Raw is Raw and SD! is fucking Monday Night Nitro complete with cowboys and rappers....can't fucking wait till he figures out a way to simulcast on both shows to claim that he's bought Smackdown only for Shane and kick that stupid show into a flaming dumpster....

Yes, because if you listen to rap you can't possibly be a mature adult. Fucking idiot And your post proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Yes, because listening to death metal and the like makes you so mature Just as mature as "RVDMARK 4:20" 4:20!!??!! OMG!! Do you guys know what that means!!!!!.....snickers like a school girl.......

"Acted like something special"...God forbid a guy who had probably worked his ass off for years who finally gets a shot and is involved in a big storyline on Raw get excited or have some confidence...I get sick of the Torch and its school girl gossip..Fuck the Torch!... And who was he not liked by...Rosey,Stevie Richards,A-Train, Garrison Cad and a bunch of other guys that aren't doing anything...I doubt Flair,HHH, HBK and the Champ even noticed him

No, not end of story. Yes, he got a belt for being no.1 contender and not getting a title shot, but I'm arguing that he didn't get the actual WCW title, he got a brand new title. Brock held the Unified title, switched brands, and now Eddie has that Unified title. As we said before(HAH!)...the title existed as the World Title after Team WCW(with half of it being WWF but that's neither here nor there) lost Survivor Series...so when it was unified it was the WWF title vs. the World Title...so he got back the World Title

All the stuff post-WCW lineage (except WCW TV-where did that come from) I agree with, as that was all merged with the IC then merged with HHH's belt. But, Jericho unified the WWF and WCW belts to create the Undisputed title, then HHH won it, then Hogan won it, then Undertaker won it, then Rock won it, then Brock won it, then Big Show won it, so forth. Why would HHH get half the belt for no reason other than he wanted it (in storyline terms)? He won the #1 contenders match the week prior to SSlam, meaning he SHOULD have gotten the title shot at the belt had Brock not decided to stop defending it on RAW. Number-one contenders are usually awarded the title when champions refuse to defend their titles, so HHH was given the World/WCW Title. End of story. EDIT: The WCW US Title was de-unified from the World Hvywt. Title by Stephanie, seeing as how she said the belt was being 'brought back' and the promo materials for Vengeance showed former NWA/WCW US champs (and a pic of the old belt itself). The Western States Title was abandoned. Ditto for the WCW TV Title. IC was de-unified, so it still has the Euro/HC lineage in it. The World Heavyweight Title only has its OWN lineage (back to 1/11?/91) within itself. But wait...wouldn't the U.S title have been de-unified from the I.C title since Edge beat Christian (I think) to unify those two titles during Invasion?

Just as long as he's not "cheating-to-win Light Heavyweight Lynn" that would be bad-ass

Not quite what I said; I said he took 1 of the 2 titles that existed before unification: The [WWE] Title The World Heavyweight Title [remember, that was what it was called prior to Venge01. The belt continued to exist from 11/19/01 to 12/9/01 and was recognized as equal to the WWE Title.] He chose the World Heavyweight Title and broke it away from the Undisputed Title, leaving Steph and SmackDown! with the original WWE Title. Your wrestling knowledge is far greater than mine...I stand corrected....