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Did Edge totally botch that promo or did they intend that?

Right, which would actually be entertaining instead of watching a show in front of a bunch of zombies.

He freakin killed Holly with it tonight. It's a perfect WWE finish because the fans don't know submissions and they like obvious set ups for moves.

Roids is too sensitive of an issue for them. How about Punk vs. Foley (painkillers)

You have Jack and Juliette possibly going "home," as well as the possibility that Penny has found the Island.

That line of logic is fine, if you're doing just any brand. They recreated *ECW*, with a roster that cannot work any decent straight matches. The fans staying after Smackdown to watch ECW only want to see tables and spots. That is why the straight matches on ECW have such dead heat. As it is it is just a really bad, bland wrestling show.

I agree with mike, in that if they want to make this work, they have to re-educate the fans about these originals, what they were famous for, etc. The next step after that is actually letting them go all out in the way they used to. That would actually make for a good feud, but as it is it is washed up guys working straight matches with green guys. Not a good combination.

Nah, Davis isn't too bad, though you could run four seasons of a comedy show just reading the assigned readings of sociology courses out loud.

There are plenty of targets. The most amusing targets of all are leftist professors, whose lectures and writings alone are comedy enough. The newest Harvard president, schools that ban tag because it involves touching, hollywood morons, fidel apologists, che fans, imbecillic protesters, dorm room leftists, etc.

Umaga taking the title from Lashley on Raw would be a GREAT way to rebuild him. Then they could build to Lashley winning it back at Mania.

I just think Russo is too fucking clueless to book a good monster program. He completely ruined Angle/Joe.

Punk had to lose eventually, I think this was typically poorly booked though. It's gotten to the point where ECW only has like 6 or 7 guys that can wrestle on TV, so Punk has nobody left to wrestle except the top guys and Bob Holly. Thus they had him lose to Bob Holly. Holly is epically un-over after years of failed pushes, and this won't help things. I thought the match was pretty good though.

Right. Go do a Philly show and try that abominable bikini contest and see the response. That should be amusing.

Yes but he's referring to the broad base of fans, not 900 dorks that come to every show. They cheered like crazy for 2 super dumb fucking segments at the PPV, their approval means nothing.

The idea behind the finish was good, but it could have been done way better. That chair rebound spot is great when Kurt is a goofball, but not when he's "the wrestling machine." An ideal finish would have been him nailing Joe with a chair, Joe no-selling it, and then killing Kurt with a musclebuster and a choke for the win.

I don't think he was really protected..he tapped once with the ref down, and then again after. I think they were trying to scare people into thinking it would be a bullshit ending before doing what people wanted.

This show is pretty fucking great so far.

Joe really did a fucking incredible promo on the pre show.

Apparently we have very different definitions of "fun." It sounds like annoying, stupid bullshit to me. This PPV is going to do a shitty buyrate, there is no buzz for it.

Aside from all the accusations of plagiarism and factual errors, Carter continues to be an absolute disgrace to the United States. Asked whether he believed that Israel's "persecution" of Palestinians was "[e]ven worse ... than a place like Rwanda," Carter answered, "Yes. I think - yes." Israeli "oppression" is worse than the systemtic slaughter and rape of 800,000 tutsis to Jimmy Carter. The man has always been pathetic, but this just helps to cement his place as the worst president in the history of the United States, both in and out of office. All of this talk about the Israel lobby is so endlessly amusing. Somehow, Carter has been able to get his thoughts on the matter out just fine, as were the harvard professors who wrote a paper on the same thing earlier this year.

There are 9 matches on the card, no way that happens. Joe should win. Kurt could do a big promo putting him over, saying how he's beaten Austin, Rock, HHH...all the big stars, but he couldn't beat Joe. They could go a number of different directions from there.

Good slot, but they're facing tough competition. Anything over a 1 will surprise me. Anything over 1.2 is a big success, anything over 1.5 is a homerun. I can't possibly see them doing 1.5.

Hey, I got a quick question that I'm sure has been answered somewhere in this huge thread, but I don't have the time to scour...is the gamecube version of this game also being released at the same time? Thanks.

Which observer was that in? I must have missed that bit.

I was at NYC 9/16, he got by far the biggest star reaction of the night, and had an incredible aura. It has been this way all year. He has been booked as more of a midcard guy because they have wanted to focus on non-TNA guys, but when Joe steps into big matches he is still by far the biggest star. TNA on the other hand has completely killed his star because they are incredibly incompetent. He was super hot at the end of his X division reign going into the Steiner program, but the program ended flat, and since then he has been thrown into TNA's horrible upper midcard black hole. The Jarrett stuff has killed Joe because nobody actually cares about Jarrett, and Joe is forced to work boring heatless matches that mean nothing. He has been booked as an afterthought, and has lost all his steam as a result. However, he is still super over at most arenas, and I think in Detroit he will get a huge pop, even though he is working a meaningless match. Here is a plan to bring Joe back: 1) Joe starts a path of destruction. He can claim he is being held down, and then just start absolutely destroying anybody and everybody in his way. I don't mean just choking them out, I mean brutalizing everybody in a huge path of destruction to get TNA management's attention, ending with Lex Luger and Buff Bagwell (who he should dispose of in less than a minute). 2) As a result of the last thing, Sting stands up to Joe, and puts his title on the line even though TNA management is against the match. Joe wins. 3) The Angle feud. I think this is something that should follow my idea above, and the spark will be lit. Just a thought.