Red Hot Thumbtack In The Eye

I'm going to be attacking the United States at some point. It will be a grand act of defiance indeed.

How would I do in a best poster thread this time around?

That whole thread legitimately pissed me off.

This really isn't a shocking prediction since it happens with every genre of Heavy Metal (hell, just about any style of music). One thing I would add to this though. The innovators will ultimately see that their creation has been bastardized and commercialized to the point of no return. Once this happens, they will either dissolve their band, or move on to another style of music hoping to cut ties with that style. As far as making sure no two albums are the same...no. Simple as that. Expanding on their ideas and keeping things fresh is ok, but change for the sake of it is a death sentence. I'm sure you don't mean that idea in the extreme sense, but it's a thin line between what works and what doesn't. If Susperia was from the States, they'd be the next Pantera.

Me after a hard night of non work safe black metal partying down

People only still post here because they can't accept the fact that if they went somewhere else, they'd have to put in years worth of time to get name recognition again.

Well....it didn't last, unless you count all the speed metal bands and bands that have done reunion cash grabs as a genre lasting. The rest is the same slop that is heaped at all styles of Heavy Metal. This very issue is examined quite thouroughly and correctly within that essay I cited in the first post. I should also clarify a little more upon my previous post... My point above, along with pretty much everything in the thread from me aswell, should include notions of real quality of music. The problem that Metal(FashionCore, just for you corey)Core, is that the basis isn't something that can last in the sense of being truly meaningful as an instigator of change or positive feeling or thought. It's the aforementioned plate pushers the complain about curfews and whine about how life is so shitty...without actually doing, or advocating, any solution to the angst. The music itself is such a crippling boundary aswell, I mean what can you really do with a genre that is the third times removed bastard child of Death Metal and Grunge? Well, you can jump around and you can mosh, and you can throw a tantrum, but that only works for so long. Such a frighteningly fatalistic worldview. The problem with Doom Metal is addressed in the essay cited above. Doom didn't have the same impact indeed, but that's because the genre collapsed in on itself much faster than many other genres. Unlike a lot of other types, it still actually has room for quality concepts because of this. In it's brief time it did establish itself as a solid and viable world of musical expression. Well, that's super...but just like every genre of Heavy Metal before it, once it reaches it's 'second generation' after the musically innocent creators(for example: Black Metal 1989 - 1997) take their discharges and move on...what's left if nobody uses the lessons left for them? See my above note to Corey about the double whammy that strangles the MetalCore genre into submission.

Before including this genre in a discussion that mainly resides within the realm of genre and musical conceptualizers, I would wait for a few years to see if MetalCore can gain a long standing influence over several other styles, the way the aforementioned bands and genres have. as it is right now (as Mr. Lazurus knows all to well from me), the genre is little more than a commercial hybrid that is going to have a fairly low shelf life and little impact on Metal, beyond appealing to the teenagers who are rebelling against the midnight curfew and push their plates away from the table because they hate the brussels sprouts. I don't see any upward mobility for the genre as a truly viable and longstanding style, but we'll see if anything can really rise up as a concept leader and bring some good things out of the genre.

I have heard probably 2 of 3 songs from the band from the following albums: Sounds Of Beautiful Experience Orama Crystal Tears Future Narcotic Angeldust Egocentric From the Furture Narcotic album, I heard probably half the album and from the rest 2 or 3 cuts after a quick soulseek run. If you ask me to characterize the exact nature of all of the stuff I heard, I can't. Over the course of the months since then, they have faded to little more than a memory of a band with overstated orchestration of melancholy and late model doom in the vein of Opeth's later work. Very forgetable, and very not Black Metal. If you want to make a topic for this band, I'm willing to download all the material I can find from them and participate as long as you're willing to keep genre and TSM music folder biases out of it. Like you should have done with this great thread. I'm not talking about me gaining any acceptance from you or anyone else RE: this band. I could give a fuck if you approve. I'm talking about them gaining my acceptance as a Black Metal band, and whether they are that or not, along with my acceptance as good music. This band (from what I've heard, which I consider a good enough started course on them as it is) does not get it from me. You've shown this knowledge by lashing out at those who have disagreed with you and push this band aside with ease. You might have great knowledge, but you ain't showing me anything here by doing that.

My name was originally meant to be Gauge. You should use that.

well, I do hope that you're not marking any genre of Metal in the way. Really, what the fuck does this even mean? If I don't like On Thorns I Lay, I'm not going to subject myself to them in the hopes of finding that elusive something that will gain my acceptance. Ok, I'll be all hostile to for no real reason, except that I'm right on the mark with all my posts in this thread so far. Stick to the shit that you have a half decent grasp on. "Amir of the Desert" - British Dance Pop "Crickets Sing for Anamaria" - Nu Goth "The Edge of Heaven" - ScandiDoom

I never said I was listening to them to hear Black Metal. I heard them because it was recommended to me. It wasn't Black Metal. Figuring out what a band is doing isn't really rocket science. I presume you're talking about Black Metal as a genre here?

Of the On Thorns...material I've heard, they are absolutely not black metal by any stretch. They came off as terribly generic to me actually.

You're not supposed to be done being outraged yet.

Kotz, I hope you can sleep at night, knowing you got your super modship this way.

As an afterthought for this thread, if anyone wants to hear what a proper blending of gothic and black metal is, forget Cradle Of Filth and catch a listen to Gehenna's first album "First Spell". Spacious like black metal with the romanticism of goth, and no circus junk like on the Cradle Of Filth records.

It's pretty much lost it's lustre, but the sentimental value is still off the charts.

Maybe they don't like shitty music.

Nah, death is plenty funny.

So, tell me my friends, what have you guys done against me that causes your conscience to put you on guard like this?

Fuck you.

textfiles.com is a veritable goldmine of the old bbs communities. Interesting postings to be found there.

You especially need Gorguts

I don't think the writer is grouping them more than he's adding them almost as sidenotes in the metal realm since neither of them have had the impact on the music as a whole compared to the other genres. There is a little bit of comparison to be made between each style and fan. "Influenced in part by Celtic Frost and other classic metal and punk bands, Nirvana burst onto the mainstream radio with a new style called "grunge" that was part metal and punk, but mostly mournful, out-of-the-closet angsty rock which featured droning vocals and simple punklike riffs. Other interesting acts were Mudhoney and Alice in Chains; both enjoyed popularity with metalheads, with the most crossover being with doom audiences. This is in part because musically, these two genres were the most similar, and aesthetically, they both addressed a fatalism which some overcame and others (Goodbye Mr. Cobain) did not. Fatalism is the belief that one can do nothing about one's fate but mourn it as a means of accepting it; it is easily confused with nihilism, or a belief in nothing but the inherent value of ultimate reality, and general negativity, which can be either a form of aggression or passive self-pity like fatalism. Doom metal explored these areas, but what pleased the crowd most were bands that did not escape their fatalism, thus soon the genre shot its wad and died. Grunge suffered a similar fate, modulating gradually into pop-punk which was musically like grunge infused with candy rock and energetic punk rhythms, giving people on the radio a break from the grim as the Clinton administration (counterculture liberalism triumphing over "the establishment") and the Internet boom (newfound wealth, a new frontier) developed. Yes, Venom invented the term. As far as descibing the music, as far as the music itself, it's fucking hard to do because when you listen to Burzum's 'Det Som Engang Var' and Emperor's 'In The Nightside Eclipse' or Summoning's "Dol Guldur', you're listening to black metal, but all the bands are vastly different in aesthetic and music. I had a great article on this computer about the conceptualizers of the genre (Immortal, Burzum, Darkthrone, Emperor, Enslaved, etc) and some feelings about what they were doing, but I can't find it. "Black metal is dark and fast music using melodic development to express its themes. Of all the metals, this is the most communicative with the modern listener, expressing nihilism and a heroic anti-social assertion of the self. Evolving simultaneously with death metal, this genre includes all of the technique and rhythmic intensity of the former with more emotive and comprehensible poetic communication within the music." It might be best to say that you Just Know when you're hearing it. Whether you understand it beyond that is another story completely. Goth example: Type O were never gothic, not even close. Heavily made up kids with blogs and scars of manic depression and attention whoring say they are, but they are simply a speed metal band who turned tongue in ass doom metal band to pop metal continuation of the beatles and Black Sabbath. Good Metal band, not goth. Generally, the average for doom metal band's conversion to straight up metal or more pop styling is about 3 albums and 2 demos. Even bands like My Dying Bride have incorporated some more accessible styles to go with their clinging to their doom metal.