Hunter's Torn Quad

If WCW had been able to get good ratings for Nitro and Thunder, it would have been a lot harder for them to pull the plug, because about the only thing suits pay attention to are numbers. Once the numbers slipped below 3.5, which is when they would have had to begin giving advertisers ad time at discounted rates, to make up for the lower numbers, they were living on borrowed time, and the further they fell the deeper in shit they got.

He either has his second K-1 fight upcoming, or he recently fought it. And as much fun as it is to think about what could have turned WCW around in 2000, I try not to, simply because it's highly depressing thinking about what might have been with a company that really should not have gone out of business, and would not have, were it not for a few huge egos.

I'm surprised she hit that small a target.

According to the Torch, so take this with a grain of salt:

I really should learn to resist temptation and not read posts from people I've put in Ignore. And I'm not being too negative. It's a simple fact, and anyone with a clue about how Vince thinks would know that.

Vince put WWE guys in for one reason. He thinks the PPV won't work without WWE talent. If it does well, then it will get credited to the WWE guys. If it doesn't do well, then it will get blamed on the ECW name not being strong enough.

I’ll do mine going from 10 to 1 as well: 10: Chris Benoit v Kurt Angle – WWE Royal Rumble 2003 The best ‘WWE-style’ match I’ve seen, this match saw both men go all out and leave nothing in the back. This is one of the matches I show to people who think wrestling is a comical joke. They change their minds afterwards. 9: Blitzkrieg v Juventud Guerrera v Rey Mysterio Jr v Psychosis – WCW Monday Nitro, April 19th 1999 To me, this was the peak of Cruiserweight wrestling in WCW. Three top-notch workers and a rookie who was still good enough that he didn’t look out of place going all out with tremendous spots, not missing a beat, and just going all out. 8: Midnight Express v Southern Boys – NWA Great American Bash 1990 I think this is the best tag match in North American wrestling history. A perfect example of how to get over a babyface team that the crowd really doesn’t want to like, and do it without making the heels look stupid. Great teamwork, moves and psychology make this the ultimate must-see tag match. 7: Kenta Kobashi v Mitsuharu Misawa – All Japan Championship Carnival, 4/95 Shorter than their match that is at #5 on my list, this one goes about 20 minutes or so, and is executed at fast and furious pace near the end, with both men just going all out with move after move after move. What makes this match stand out from your typical big move after big move-fest is the facials and subtle body movements from both men. Kobashi’s facial expressions are the best in the business, and his mannerisms are great too, and they had to the drama as Kobashi can’t seem to fathom not being able to put away Misawa. Of note is the look on Kobashi’s face as he struggles to prevent Misawa from hitting the match winning Tiger Suplex ’85 and his look of shock as Misawa hits the move. 6: Ricky Steamboat v Ric Flair – NWA Clash Of The Champions VI The second of the three major televised encounters between Steamboat and Flair, this one is my favorite. The style looks dated when compared to the modern stuff, but that doesn’t matter to me at all. It’s just awesome watching two greats of the ring bring out the best in each other, and wrestle their hearts out for almost 60 minutes. 5: Kenta Kobashi v Mitsuharu Misawa – All Japan, January 1997 At around 45 minutes, this match is more of a dramatic story than their match at #7 on my list, and slightly edges it out. It starts off slow, and is, as usual, filled with Kobashi greatness in terms of facial expressions and subtle body movements and mannerisms. By the end, the crowd is going crazy, and so am I. They’ve had many great singles matches, but this is the best of them. 4: Low Ki v American Dragon – ROH Round Robin Challenge, March 30th 2002 A tremendous US style Strong Style match, with lots of stiff strikes, plenty of fighting for holds on the mat, and exchanges of counters. 3: Bret Hart v Steve Austin – WWF Survivor Series 1996 This was the last great wrestling match in the WWF before the style started to get really high impact, and actual wrestling, especially in the main events, took a backseat to highspots, shortcuts, and ‘sports entertainment’. It’s a real shame that their WM XIII match takes all the attention, because this really is the superior encounter. 2: Samoa Joe v CM Punk – ROH Joe v Punk II, October 16th 2004 I’m a big fan of long great matches, and this match is long, and it absolutely is great. Going into it, I was aware of all the talk it had gotten, and was wary of fully believing that it was going to be as good as everyone said. But it was that good, and more. I thoroughly enjoyed the story of the match and the wrestling involved, and this is another match to show to people who don’t take wrestling seriously. 1: Joe Stecher v Earl Caddock – January 20th 1920 Who? How? Why? Where? A little hard to come by, but this match is totally worth tracking down. If only for historical value it’s a necessity to watch this match just to see how far wrestling has come. While it’s only 20 minutes of a 2hr+ match, it’s not only my personal all-time favorite match, but I consider it the greatest match I’ve ever seen, period. One million stars plus.

Has anybody noticed that nobody gives a flying fuck about this ?

Tanner's face was a total mess. I really wanted him to win, especially when Rogan said that if Tanner won and was one of the coaches on the second season of TUF that Tanner would fight Matt Hughes.

His bodybuilding book got a fair amount of hype on Raw, and that went almost straight to the discount bin.

The Hunter DVD set won't sell for 8 months, before deciding to sell a great deal for 3 weeks, and then cease production.

That wouldn't be an Easter Egg, it would be an Easter Omelette.

They should have gone with Rock as heel. He was getting booed and jeered in the lead up to WM X7 anyway, and it would have made that reaction the 'right one'. Turning Austin, especially in his HOME STATE, was just a disaster.

I imagine we'll get a few Terra Ryzing matches on there. It'll be quite the sight watching Hunter grow, both physically and in the ring. And for no reason, a reminder of rule #1: 1) If you don't have anything to contribute to a thread, don't post in it.

Hart was considered tough for surviving Stu Hart's Dungeon, as was everybody who came through that place. I don't know if Shawn was considered a wuss, but nobody felt that he had a chance against Bret if Bret and he had a full on fight.

If Bret and Shawn had got into a full on fight, everybody expected it to end with Bret kicking the shit out of Shawn. When Bret and Shawn had their short brawl backstage at Raw, Shawn came out with a couple of lumps on his face. When the Montreal Finish was first decided upon, the original idea, which may have been Vince's, was for Shawn to hold Bret down in a small package and for Hebner to fast count him. Everyone said this was a bad idea, because Bret would know something was up and they felt that if he went for Shawn, he'd have killed him, and they didn't want that, so they went with the fake submission spot.

On it's own, the Rock v Austin WM X7 finish somewhat made sense. But in the grand scheme of things, it was beyond horrible.

I would ask you to explain how and why you disagree with what I've said, but after reading your posts, I've found that I'm allergic to drivel, so I've had to put you on ignore.

I didn’t know Nash paid that much attention to dicks while watching porn. He must like a different genre of porn than me I guess, but if Big Dicks And Hairy Asses #14 is his cup of tea, more power to him. It’s going to be hard to get people over that you, not only don’t appreciate a lick, but have already stated you can’t get over. As booker, it’s your job to get them over, and if you can’t, and you know you can’t, then get the fuck out of the way and let someone else who can actually book take charge. If it’s tough, then work hard. Try it for once, Nash. That is, if you can avoid tearing a muscle. Maybe Vince has a better eye for talent than you. Then again, he made you WWF Champion for a year, and look how you turned out. As for bigger than life guys, there is absolutely a place for them on the card, but you can’t have the whole roster filled with them, or none of them will get over a tenth of what they could by being the only one. That’s just one aspect of someone getting over, and just because they don’t fit in with your extremely narrow definition of who does or doesn’t have it, it doesn’t mean they can’t get over. Girls who like it rough and ready want to fuck Benoit. Girls who like the slick charm of a stereotypical Latino definitely want to fuck Eddie. You didn’t have “it” when put out on your own. You didn’t draw a dime without people who did have “it” to leech off of. You didn’t put Rey over a lick you sack of shit. You tossed him around like a dummy and did a banana peel job to him. You didn’t put him over, and it’s laughable that you expect anyone, at least people with a clue, to buy this crap. What you should have done was done a real job and really put him over, and then had the lugs you had job to him after you do the same thing. The mistake you made was thinking you had a clue about how to book. And if someone has to learn from you, then they’re really in trouble.

It's like a bullshit snowstorm. Just wall to wall, floor to floor bullshit. Please, Mr Nash, as the lowest drawing WWF Champion of all time, and one of the main reasons WCW died, give us more pearls of wisdom as only you can provide.

It really does make you weep, almost, when you realise what WCW had handed to them and how it all got pissed away by politics and ego.

Same with Vampiro.

I know Bret wouldn't have done it. And Eric was worried about legal action, I know that much. If not of his own volition, then from what the reaction of those higher up than him would have been. I still get a laugh, though, from people who think it could have happened.

I still think he would have at least started legal action, even if it did get stopped. He hated Eric with a passion, and if he thought he could stick it to him, he would have. Eventually, common sense most likely would have prevailed, but not before Vince would have let his ego start legal action that wouldn't have been in his best interest. He'd have calmed down, realised it wasn't viable, and made a face-saving statement that he was stopping the action, "for the good of his company".

There was zero chance of Bret showing up on Nitro, and less than a zero chance of him showing up with the WWF Title belt. To do so would have opened up Bret and Eric to legal action that Vince would have won, and neither Bret nor Eric were going to do that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> HTQ, I agree with you 100% when it comes to Bret not showing up on Nitro with the belt. I believe that it's because he has too much character to do that. However, while it could have resulted in legal action by Vince and the WWF, it would be a case that would take months, possibly years to settle and Vince was in BIG trouble at that time. It had been done to Vince once already by Medusa and he wasn't going to risk the humiliation of his world title. I would say that legal action had almost nothing to do with his decision. If anything, what Vince did was a legit breach of Bret's contract and that would have been a large legal issue as well. But either way, I still don't think Bret would have done it. Dames <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Vince's ego > Common sense. He wouldn't have been able to resist the chance to stick it to Eric or Bret, but moreso Eric.