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That was actually in response to NY Untouchable, Mole as to why there wouldn't be a lot of bitching in this thread about making Benoit look bad.

- RRR responding to one of the newer cast members - RRR responding to _another_ member of cast making his/her/its return

Season 2 is a really, REALLY crucial season; we get to see the group change and transform into what they are for the rest of the shows life. It's a really remarkable season that cannot be passed-over. Season 3 is better as they really got into a great groove and got some awesome drama going, but Season 2 is where you got to see the sign(s) of things to come.

Yeah, but they could very easily give Book a daughter and Jayne a brother. It doesn't make sense, I know, but it falls in-line with Film cliches.

Why would they make Benoit look strong off screen when they don't even make him look strong on screen?

Yeah, I thought the same thing watching Couture/Liddell last week. I was kinda split on them totally eliminating the sports entertainment stuff, but I think it works pretty well. Though, I miss Titos entrance How are the dvd's themselves? Extras?

UFC 43 is _awesome_. One of the best UFC events I've seen. White vs. Freeman, Edwards vs. Ruiz and Couture vs. Liddell were all really good-great fights.

"Do it" will sweep the nation,

Vince doesn't screw them, he just gets to stick his tongue down their throats on live television. Steph, on the other hand...

They way it "messed with" them was personally. Spike through his "past" with the music and buffy, Willow with Cassie/Tara, Tara with her mother, Andrew with Jonathan/Warren, Wood with his mother - the first used people they love and therefore trust the most. It falls in line. You can feel that it didn't, that's cool and I can't change the way you feel; I feel that the season was rushed and some probaby don't, but it fell in line with what the First was doing. The only problem is the touching; which is a continuous problem throughout the series w/ the first.

Buffy doesn't have *all* the weight of the world on her shoulders, which is the point. -------------- I will never buy the Joyce thing just being FE. That was totally un-FE like. There's "FE like"? It was subversive and manipulative, I'd say that's "FE like", if there ever is such a thing. The first was trying to divide them; it tried to get Willow to stop using magic and commit suicide, it used Spike to cause a rift between the people who see him as a threat (everyone) and the person who wanted him to stay (Buffy), and it used Joyce to get Dawn to kick Buffy out. All of this was in Conversations with Dead People (Spike siring Holden) What was with the demon? I thought that was The First goofing around to make Joyce seem legit in Dawns eyes; if Joyce just appeared then it would fall-in-line with what the others have done, but with her "fighting" whatever was trying to stop her (In Dawns eyes, the first), that it seemed more "real". That sweet ole mom was trying to help out from above. Cassie used Tara to help prey on Willows emotions, to make it seem more legit. How could it mess up the house and hurt Dawn? It never did anything like that before or after. That's the one plot hole that always haunted The First. The stuff with Caleb, the stuff with Angel, and this stuff where we have it touching/effecting something in the normal realm is the big gap.

I thought they were trying to establish _way_ too much in Season 7. The Potentials, The First, Kennedy and Willow, Spike and Buffy, Principal Wood, Andrew, Anya and Xander... it felt rushed..

.... shit. I'm going to be like one of those book purists who hate anything that differs from the source material.

Willow was caught in the middle; she had Xander without an eye, Giles a bit angry, and her new-found girlfriend against Buffy.

Willow had pressure on her from Kennedy.

See, I saw Buffy getting kicked out as something very important. They were building up to it with _everyone_ having a reason to turn against her *except* Spike.

Dammit! *Puts away tent, binoculars, and tissues.*

www.buffy.nu has spoilers Ok, I'll say it again. That was not dropped. It was shown when Buffy got thrown out of the house where *Dawn* did not choose Buffy. The Firsts goal was to break the family up. Together they were strong, divided they were not. The same thing with Spike. It was about Isolation. The thing is, the plan backfired on the First because when Buffy was separated from the group she found the sythe, which was the turning point in the war.

I'd do backflips as well... in the bushes.... with a ski mask on... stalking them...

A lil more info on the Movie: From Eonline.com - 2004-03-4th Joss Whedon Seeks "Serenity" by Sarah Hall Mar 3, 2004, 11:30 PM PT No more Angel? Serenity, now! After the WB’s surprise cancellation of his Buffy-spinoff last month, a devastated Joss Whedon found himself without a pet project. But Whedon didn’t lick his wounds for long. He’s now at work on developing his defunct television series Firefly, into the feature film Serenity. The futuristic action-adventure film will be the directorial debut for the man famed for bringing Buffy’s vampire-slaying antics to living rooms everywhere. "We have wanted to be in business with Joss Whedon for a long time and we’re incredibly excited to be working with him on his feature film directorial debut," said Universal vice-chairmen of production Mary Parent and Scott Stuber in a statement. "Joss is a true creator, whose talent crosses all mediums. His mythic worlds are inhabited with rich, detailed and very human creatures. Serenity will provide him with a great opportunity to paint another larger-than-life canvas with very identifiable, real characters at the heart of the story." Firefly enjoyed a cult following during its short-lived run on Fox’s airwaves, but unfortunately it didn’t earn the ratings to keep it afloat. The series glowed again upon its release on DVD last December, inspiring Universal to give Whedon the big screen go-ahead. Whedon will both write and direct the film, which will be produced by Barry Mendel, whose credits include The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable. Chris Buchanan, president of Whedon’s Mutant Enemy production company, and Alisa Tager of Barry Mendel Productions will share executive producing credits. Whedon will be working with a familiar crew of actors, as many Firefly cast members will reprise their roles for Serenity. The film centers on a veteran captain of a galactic war, who, with a small crew, rents out his ship, Serenity, for the purposes of transport-for-hire and pulling off small crimes. When the captain takes on two new passengers, he soon learns that they are hotly pursued fugitives from the coalition controlling the universe. A whole host of trouble follows for the captain and his fearless crew, as they find themselves the prey of evil forces that they are ill equipped to evade. Production on Serenity is slated to begin this year. Now thinking about it, if they shoot this up in Toronto...

There is absolutely nothing I can say about the next episode that won't spoil it. I'll throw out the first line in the Summary of the next episode:: "When Angel tells Spike that he wishes he had someone who could tell him what the Senior Partners are up to these days, Spike says he knows just such a person."

They had room to finish off the season when they found out they were cancelled, I believe. When they started this season they knew the risk that this could be their last, so I don't think cancellation totally ruined what they had planned.

Fred's death is only very indirectly her fault. It's interesting how they played that. In a way, we get to see how a sweet innocent girl ended up dying; and in another way we see how someone chose their fate. When Jasmine was created, they mentioned how _everything_ led up to it *including* Fred-in-Pylia. So it sort of had this ominous inevitable, "destiny" feel to it. What is equally interesting is how, even though that had a sense of finality to it (a "goodbye to Fred") I can't help but feel they'll get her back; that she's not _really_ dead so there isn't this sense of loss.

*RVD picks up Pen* *Signs contract* JR: Well Rob, glad to have you signed. RVD: What? JR: The contract, thank you for signing it. RVD: I didn't sign any contract. JR: Yes you did, like 10 seconds ago, we all saw you. RVD: Dude, I have no idea what you're talking about. JR: Bah Gawd Rob, you won't even sell signing the contract! BAH GAWD Rob... BAH...GAWD. *RVD shrugs and points to himself* "Ah Christ stop that!" *JR jumps over the table and grabs RVD* *RVD continues pointing to himself while JR freaks out* .... sorry, the best I could think of on short notice.

I can believe that DEAN made it to the next round, what I cannot believe is that he took the highest % of the vote. I can't wait for the ode-to-John Denver round.