Legitimizing The Cruisers

[Guest SlowChemical6]

If anyone needs a win, it's Eddie Guerrero. He's been a jobber to the mid-carders ever since his program with RVD ended. He's even jobbed to Bubba Ray. Seriously, I don't think that Eddie has scored a pinfall in a match since he beat RVD.

[Guest Dames Edna]

Anglesault, why must you always choke on reality. Angle is top 3 in the company, quit comparing him to Bam Bam Bigelow. Its funny, I haven't seen you post in months, but you.re complaining about the same shit you did 6 months ago. Get a new act, or atleast some new arguements

 

I second that notion about Eddie. But its funny, as Eddie loses, he still becomes more over with the crowd. He is the kinda wrestler who looks good regardless of wins or loses...same with Kurt Angle

[Guest Angle-plex]

If anyone needs a win, it's Eddie Guerrero. He's been a jobber to the mid-carders ever since his program with RVD ended. He's even jobbed to Bubba Ray. Seriously, I don't think that Eddie has scored a pinfall in a match since he beat RVD.

Well he's fighting Edge this Sunday, so don't expect him to be picking up a win.

[Guest Anglesault]

If anyone needs a win, it's Eddie Guerrero. He's been a jobber to the mid-carders ever since his program with RVD ended. He's even jobbed to Bubba Ray. Seriously, I don't think that Eddie has scored a pinfall in a match since he beat RVD.

I think he may have Beat Bubba after KotR, but you are SO right. Eddy is rapidly approaching lost cause territory, and a feud with Edge will NOT help.

 

Anglesault, why must you always choke on reality. Angle is top 3 in the company, quit comparing him to Bam Bam Bigelow.

 

Who are the other two? Do they job everyweek too?

[Guest TestKick]

Who are the other two? Do they job everyweek too?

 

Yes. They also weren't the only wrestler to make Hogan tap. They also weren't 2-time World Champions in their first 2 years in the business. They also weren't still in World title matches every few months. They also weren't leaving in a few months to train for the Olympics.

[Guest Anglesault]

Yes. They also weren't the only wrestler to make Hogan tap

 

So I guess they're not Luger or Sting?

 

They also weren't 2-time World Champions in their first 2 years in the business.

 

I think paul White came damn close to that.

 

They also weren't still in World title matches every few months.

 

Rikishi gets a world title match every couple of months...

 

They also weren't leaving in a few months to train for the Olympics.

 

Not confirmed.

 

You still haven't explained, how can a "top three guy" win TWO matches (Cena and Henry, on top of that) Since KotR?

[Guest Dames Edna]

The Rock jobs quite frequently, I'd say before his last return, he jobbed a lot more than Angle has/does.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

TestKick: Open Mouth, Insert Foot.

 

Luger, and Sting made Hogan tap, I believe. Angle is nowhere near the first. Nobody ever talks about it, though.

 

If anything, a guy with Angle's credentials should be main eventing now, not jobbing and getting de-pantsed.

[Guest TestKick]

Yeah, Luger made Hogan tap when he got that 5-day token title run during the nWo... I'm talking recent WWE history, and they made a big point of Angle making him tap.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

For about..two weeks, and then it promptly was dropped off the face of the earth.

[Guest TestKick]

Still, the point was made... where as when Angle loses by count-out to Kidman, he doesn't look weak at all, and it's forgotten about in seconds (barring Anglesault).

[Guest Anglesault]

The Rock jobs quite frequently, I'd say before his last return, he jobbed a lot more than Angle has/does.

Rock is also a seven time world champion and doesn't get his pants pulled down every week or made to look like a bumbling idiot in every feud he's in.

[Guest SlowChemical6]

Andre The Giant was actually the first wrestler to make Hogan submit. Bearhug. Late 1970s or early 1980s.

[Guest Anglesault]

Still, the point was made...

And forgotten so Angle could lose to Mark Henry.

[Guest SlowChemical6]

Kurt Angle is actually the first wrestler to make Hogan "tap out"...but he is not the first to make him submit.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

It all ammounts to the same thing. Giving up is giving up.

 

And AS has a point. Rocky's not humilliated, either.

[Guest benoitrules2000]

I'm really, really pissed off now that I think about it.

 

Wait, now.

 

Why should Benoit be an exception? Oh, sure. He's a badass. He's the Canadian Workrate.

 

But has Benoit ever recieved the reaction an Angle or Jericho has? No. Eddy? That's about right.

 

~*~

 

What fun is it when the faces win every time? Granted, in WCW, the heels won too much (Like the nWo) and the blowoff never came, or was too late. In the WWE, the heels are never taken seriously (again, unless it's Hunter or Brock..). Why should Lance, Christian, and Test be beaten around and Stinkfaced by Rikishi every week until they switch? Why should the entire group be so afraid of the Undertaker after the switch they run away? What's the point in having Kurt Angle never taken seriously by guys like Hogan or Edge? He's been made to look like a joke, and guess what? He does. Jericho..poor Jericho. He's been humilliated, and left to hang for way too long now. They never pulled the trigger on shooting him to the main as a face, and nobody will lose to him as a heel.

 

I understand some of those guys are cowardly heels. But where are the clean wins to establish them as people that we're supposed to hate? Team Canada should have been murdering Rikishi out there, not running in fear of him. Same with the 'Taker. Kurt Angle..a guy who's a proven, legitimate athlete. Olympic Gold Medalist, and if I may say so, the most complete wrestler in the WWE today. I'm going to piss a lot of people off by saying this, but if anyone deserves a permenant main event slot, it's Kurt Angle, not Chris Benoit. They have a guy there that's worth too much to hold back. A guy that can speak, act, and wrestle as well. Something that very few people can do sucessfully. Angle's got a personality, which means he could play a character other than the "killer" or "dork".

 

Are Hogan, Edge, and Mysterio so valuable to the WWE that they should be humilliating a guy like Angle? Is Flair so valuable to them that he can take Jericho lightly? Is Taker worth so much he can beat Team Canada singlehandedly?

 

~*~

 

Think about that, and tell me.

 

Why should Brock and Hunter be the only ones to recieve serious heel pushes? Why should the Island Boys get to beat people up, but have a well established, talented, charismatic star get de-pantsed by a fifty year old man? Why do Mark Henry and Rikishi get airtime when people that get a better reaction sit idle? Why do only the top four people get to cut a promo?

 

Hell, why is the second most over man in the company not able to beat The Big Show?

 

I don't see the logic in it. I really don't.

 

It seems almost like throwing a bone to these guys. "Well, you're good enough to get humilliated every week, so here's a meaningless PPV win that will be forgotten by next week.."

 

Call me crazy, but isn't the sucessful formula that's been used for all these years..to have a heel look strong, even a weak one, have the face be an underdog, and have the face win the big blowoff, to elevate both guys in the process?

 

(bangs his head against the wall)

 

I watched Raw last week, and I didn't like it. I didn't watch Smackdown, or the following Raw, and I don't know if I'll watch SD this week.

 

What's the point in watching when the guys you like never get anywhere? Never get anything done with them? Maybe that's what some of the "marks" that we mock and overlook think, too. When it all comes down to it, we're all wrestling fans. I don't think anybody likes it when their favorite lingers in one place forever.

 

Look at what happened with Austin. The fans demanded it, so they pushed him. The SAME fans are calling right now. What's that I hear? "RVD..RVD.."

 

Will it really matter if a guy like RVD goes over Benoit this Sunday? Oh, he wins the IC title. That's nice. Will it mean anything for either guy, except another total in the win/loss column? I doubt it.

 

The Undisputed Champion hasn't defended his belt yet. Do people care? About The Rock, yes. Does that mean when Lesnar beats the Rock, they'll care about Lesnar too? That's not a guarantee.

 

What does the IC title defense mean? Neither guy has had any time to express himself, to say why he wants the belt, or why he wants to kick the other guy's ass. Oh, it's a contract loophole. Is the Steph/Eric feud important enough to overshadow the match that will take place? Or more importantly..is it enough to overshadow the contestance? We haven't heard RVD say a word. Or Benoit. I don't know why they want to fight, it dosen't really look like they care.

 

That makes me not care, either.

 

Yeah, the card looks like it could be good, wrestling-wise.

 

Is it too much to ask for an intelligent product, or build up?

 

There are some things you have to do to get people enthusiastic about your product. Good shows make the ratings go up.

 

But what's the point in tuning in if all I'm gonna hear is "Rock/Brock..blah, blah, blah.." or "Bubba Tough..blah blah.." or to hear Steph/HHH talk for 20 minutes..?

 

The product has been getting better, I'll give it that.

 

But there's still a hell of a lot that is still missing..

Your right, normally that would piss me off.

But if benoit can't ever be a main eventer, than angle has to be the guy.

 

The man has everything you could ask for and is a billion times more entertaining than the rock that everyone creams themselves over.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Rocky's a face, faces don't get humiliated. Fans like to laugh at heels, they don't laugh at faces.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

As I was just arguing with a guy on IRC..

 

So what if the Rock is 'boring and stale' to us? Yes, he's not Benoit. But who is? The ammount of people who like him and are entertained by him is significantly more than the ammount of people that hate him.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

CC: I understand that. But when all your heels except for two are laughingstocks..eh..

[Guest benoitrules2000]

I don't care, all i'm saying is i'm sick of his crappy 20-minute interviews where he thinks he a comedian.

 

I just wish he'd go make his shitty movies and stay the hell of my tv!

 

And yes, i know it'll never happen, but i can dream.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Twenty minute interviews? Que?

 

Last time I checked that was a McMahon-Helmsley department.

 

I agree, though. Twenty minute interviews need to just die. Save 'em for setting up storylines once a month. Not every show.

[Guest Anglesault]

Rocky's a face, faces don't get humiliated. Fans like to laugh at heels, they don't laugh at faces.

They don't laugh at HHH or Heel Undertaker...

[Guest benoitrules2000]

With the rock, it feels like twenty minutes, and i swear it was a couple of weeks ago when he faced flair.

 

That just went on and on and ON!

[Guest CanadianChick]

I'm not saying that anybody should be the laughing stock constantly or that anybody should make his opponents look like a laughing stock all the timeI was just saying that Rocky could not be the laughing stock cause, well, no one would laugh. But I think that it is time for HHH to become a laughing stock, but not Brock. HHH is relentivly over, so he can afford to be a laughing stock, but Brock is still building his reputation.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

Most long interviews are boring. That's why it's wrestling, and not a soap opera. Keep it simple, damnit.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I don't care whos cutting the promo, 20 minutes interviews are real boring and they usually kill the crowd.

[Guest benoitrules2000]

I wish they could go back to a more wrestling based program like ring of honor, that kicks arse!

[Guest TestKick]

AS does make good points about how Angle is embarassed just about every week. Even though Angle's character is prone to having him get embarassed sometimes, WWE does take that too far.

 

The only heel who is pushed seriously, and stronger than people he faces is HHH... and we don't need to get into that. Brock needs Heyman to interfere by the ropes every damn match. The Island Boys are beating up Mae Young, and pointless jobbers... much like Angle's streak he had when he first entered WWE.

 

The shit about Angle losing all the time is stupid however. Even against Edge, Angle got the first PPV win to prove that Angle was more than a worthy opponent for Edge to get over. Angle made Hogan tap, which is a pretty damn big accomplishment, in my book. Angle loses a lot on Smackdwon via DQ, or tons of interference... it doesn't matter. It's not to put anyone over. Nobody remembers what happens.

 

Angle is the best worker overall in the company... but, he is leaving soon, and it would be stupid to push him as so right now. (It's not speculation, Kurt said he will be training for the 2004 Olympics).

 

I think it's more a case of the WWE shitty writing as to why Angle has not been properly used, and he's not going to be in the long-term plans, then the BS that they're burying him.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I have to question..

 

What's really funny?

 

The Booker/Goldust segments have been pretty well, and have made them over with the crowd. However..the Edge/Angle segments resulted in his pants being pulled down..(insert Hogan, HHH, or whoever for Edge) and didn't really do a thing for anyone.

 

What's the point?