Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Season 7

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Willow could die with Kennedy carrying on the memories...

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

My ex-girlfriend said the reason she "turned gay" was because of what Oz did to her. He made her so upset, she just turned against men in general.

I'd say that the fact that she's not a "man hating" lesbian would argue against that theory. Besides, when Oz came back, she still had feelings for him.

 

Willow discovered she was gay because the writers wanted her to be gay. The question is: had Seth Green not wanted to leave the show, would she have stayed with Tara and not gone back to Oz?

 

As for the ranking of the finales, I understand by "Becoming Pt. 2" gets the love it does, but I think that it's a weak story if you didn't enjoy the Buffy/Angel storyline. While I could understand what they were doing with Buffy/Angel, and I could even appreciate the skill with which they were doing it, the storyline never worked for me, and thus I don't see the finale as anything really all that special.

 

Conversely, "Graduation Day Pt. 2" had a lot fo storylines that I liked and the one I didn't (again, Buffy/Angel) wasn't at the forefront, so I thought it was a much better finale.

 

I also don't think "Restless" gets quite the respect it should. Aside from "Normal Again," it's certainly the most literary of the finales, and the one that seemed to have the most lasting effects beyond that current season. It also was a nice exploration of the character development of the Scoobies that had occurred over the past four years, and hinted at what was to come for them in future seasons. It also worked, for me, that it was anti-climactic, which fit the tone of the season.

Normal Again?? That's not a season finale.

 

That was late in Season 6, but not the finale.

[Guest red_file]

I also don't think "Restless" gets quite the respect it should. Aside from "Normal Again," it's certainly the most literary of the finales, and the one that seemed to have the most lasting effects beyond that current season.

Normal Again?? That's not a season finale.

 

That was late in Season 6, but not the finale.

Right you are; 'twas a typo. What I mean to say was that aside from "Normal Again," "Restless" is as literary as the show got, which forced the show to stretch beyond its former conventions. But, yes, of course "Grave" was the finale that year. My mistake.

 

 

Molestomp:

I honestly don't even know what Firefly was about.

 

Identity, honor, sacrifice, isolation, love, etc. All the themes mutual to both a western and a space opera. More specifically, it was about the Mal & co. against the government, reavers, crazy blue hand men, and each other. It was a severely flawed show, but an enjoyable one that probably should've lasted longer than it did. At the very least it would've been nice to have seen all of the episode; several remain unaired.

[Guest Mole]

Wow, sounds confusing.

[Guest Mole]

I downloaded "Fool for Love" and I noticed something that most of you probably already have noticed.

 

Spike has said to have killed two slayers. Well, in this episode he kills a black slayer in the train.

 

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

That has to be Wood's mother, and she's the one where he got his leather jacket from.

 

Just something I noticed.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I downloaded "Fool for Love" and I noticed something that most of you probably already have noticed.

 

Spike has said to have killed two slayers. Well, in this episode he kills a black slayer in the train. That has to be Wood's mother, and she's the one where he got his leather jacket from.

 

Just something I noticed.

You've seen the newer eps right? I don't want to give any spoilers away or anything...but that was made sense of in the last couple new episodes.

[The Dames 0]

Ooohh....oh I'm PISSED again.

 

Everyone who saw the Angel preview for this week knows that Willow is going to be there this week. BUT, there's no new Buffy this week and....

 

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

She's not called by the Angel crew until the next Buffy ep so....

 

The damn crossover is out of order! WTF!

 

Dames

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

It's funny how a show about Vampires and Demons somehow renders Dames incapible of suspending his disbeleif when it comes to continuity.

[Guest Mole]

UPN is just doing that on purpose, to fuck with WB.

[Guest Crux]

Damn UPN, thats gonna be lame.

[Guest red_file]

Wow, sounds confusing.

The best entertainments always require work from the audience to enjoy them. But Firefly was really no more complex than Buffy; less so, if you're taking into account later seasons.

[Guest Kingpk]

I downloaded "Fool for Love" and I noticed something that most of you probably already have noticed.

 

Spike has said to have killed two slayers. Well, in this episode he kills a black slayer in the train.

 

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

That has to be Wood's mother, and she's the one where he got his leather jacket from.

 

Just something I noticed.

A spoiler's not needed there, that was pretty much spelled out in "First Date".

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Wait a tic - are you saying that Wood and Spike have heat cause Spike killed Woods mom? Man, all this time I thought it was sexual tension.

[Guest Mole]

I downloaded "Fool for Love" and I noticed something that most of you probably already have noticed.

 

Spike has said to have killed two slayers. Well, in this episode he kills a black slayer in the train.

 

Spoiler (Highlight to Read):

That has to be Wood's mother, and she's the one where he got his leather jacket from.

 

Just something I noticed.

A spoiler's not needed there, that was pretty much spelled out in "First Date".

Yeah, I know that.

 

However, one of the reasons there are spoiler tags is so that people in other countries who haven't seen the episode, don't get spoiled. I didn't know if that episode had been aired yet, so I didn't wanna spoil anyone and get yelled at.

 

[cawthon777 0]

Willow could die with Kennedy carrying on the memories...

It's a possibility. Although I've heard numerous interviews with Joss in which he makes it clear that he had no intentions of ever killing off Willow when she was put in danger in earlier seasons. I believe the quote was "I'll never kill Willow."

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Willow could die with Kennedy carrying on the memories...

It's a possibility. Although I've heard numerous interviews with Joss in which he makes it clear that he had no intentions of ever killing off Willow when she was put in danger in earlier seasons. I believe the quote was "I'll never kill Willow."

This Willow/Kennedy thing was put together way too quick to be that interesting. Althought she's not near as hot, the way they used her with Tara was a lot better.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

That's the whole point. You've got a stranger in Kennedy remembering the gang.

[Guest Mole]

So, how would they go about doing that?

[cawthon777 0]

I wrote this little article for my college paper and I think I'll pass it around to some of the local newspapers as well and see if anyone's interested. Not sure about a title. Any ideas?

 

Of course I can't include EVERYTHING cool that happened in the series, but I think it's a good synopsis of what needs to be known.

 

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“In every generation there is a chosen one. She alone will stand against the vampires, the demons, and the forces of darkness. She is the slayer.”

 

With those words, Buffy the Vampire Slayer made its debut as a WB mid-season replacement in March of 1997. Picking up where the 1992 film left off, few imagined the series would see a second season. It almost didn’t. The brainchild of writer / director / producer Joss Whedon, the show was allowed something few others are – a chance to develop despite less than stellar ratings.

 

That opportunity proved beneficial for all involved. The second and each consecutive season thereafter brought with it higher ratings, a broader audience, deeper and darker plot lines, smarter wit-driven writing, and a massive merchandising campaign – which included everything from action figures and video games to bumper stickers and novels. Its stars Sarah Michelle Gellar, Alyson Hannigan, Seth Green, Emma Caulfield, and Eliza Dushku have all transcended their TV roles into a growing film career as a result of the popularity of the show.

 

One of the more significant reasons behind the long-term success of the program is the well-crafted character development. The roles have become complex over the past seven years due to something we all suffer from – life. The heroes are far from perfect, each possessing vulnerabilities and darker sides to their personality, while the villains are too likable to hate. Buffy (Gellar) has lost a mother but gained a sister, Dawn, whom she protects as she would her own daughter. She also died…twice. Willow (Hannigan) has transformed from a shy, mousy, bookworm into a powerful Wicca vixen whose murderous rampage last season almost led to the destruction of the world. Faith (Dushku), the untamed rouge Slayer whose turbulent upbringing and thirst for power set her on a path of ruin several seasons ago, turned herself into the police and has willingly spent the last three years in prison as payback for crimes committed. Angel and Spike, both vicious legendary vampires in their time, have searched for redemption for past wrongs – something they, like Faith, may never find.

 

The show has been a favorite of publications such as Time, USA Today, and Entertainment Weekly largely in part to the smart, sharply-written dialogue that has been a mainstay of the series since its beginning. Referred to by many as ‘Buffy Speak’, the blending of slang, wit, and intelligently-placed pop culture references gives each character their own distinctive style of the English language. In any one episode, there may be citations to anything from Star Wars to the Real World or Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel (of Simpsons’ fame) to film director M. Night Shyamalan.

 

“Want to see my impression of Ghandi?” Buffy once assuredly asked a demon seconds before she brutally killed it. “Ghandi?” questioned the would-be victim of the demon. “Well, you know, if he was really pissed off,” responded the Slayer.

 

So after six years, seven seasons, a successful spin-off (Angel), two TV networks (the WB and UPN), and with reruns distributed in syndication around the globe, the critically acclaimed series has run its course. Earlier this month it was announced after a lengthy period of speculation that Sarah Michelle Gellar would be leaving the show following this season. The final episode, entitled ‘Chosen’, will air May 20th on UPN. The fate of Buffy, Willow, Xander, Spike, Anya, Dawn, and Giles is unknown but, if the season continues as it has begun, don’t expect a happy ending.

Unlike previous years, in which armageddon was averted each May without fail, this final chapter pits Buffy and the ‘Scoobies’ not against a demon determined to end the world but against the very entity that created ‘evil’ itself, known simply as the First. Intent on ridding the world not only of the Slayer but also of the younger Slayers-in-Training prepared to take her place in the event of her death, the First has methodically plotted against Buffy and her friends – racking up an unprecedented death toll of reoccurring characters in the process. With a tremendous climactic battle on the horizon, expect to see the long-awaited return of several familiar faces before all is said and done.

 

Though the series is ending, Joss Whedon is currently in talks to produce a second spin-off that would feature the survivors of this season as well as occasional guest appearances by Buffy herself. Whether this plan comes to fruition or not and whatever the fate may be of the WB’s Angel, it’s safe to say that after years of international critical acclaim the influence of the Buffy universe will live on far beyond May 2003.

[Guest Mole]

Damn Andrew, that is a very good article. It basically summed it all up.

 

I would of put in certain bad guys, but that's just me.

[cawthon777 0]

Damn Andrew, that is a very good article.

Thus are the tales of Buffy ... Slayer of the Vampires.

 

Much appreciated.

[Guest Mole]

Why'd I call you Andrew? I must of been talking to my friend or something.

 

"Flooded" was on today, and at the end of the episode, Angel calls Buffy.

 

What happened with that? Can someone help me?

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Why'd I call you Andrew? I must of been talking to my friend or something.

 

"Flooded" was on today, and at the end of the episode, Angel calls Buffy.

 

What happened with that? Can someone help me?

I don't think anything really happened...there wasn't a cross over episode. Just a little something they threw in cause it made sense probably, even if you can't cross them over the characters should still care for one another.

[Guest Mole]

Oh okay, thanks.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Stupid Pistons...now I gotta catch the episode Saturday night, this is the only one I don't have on tape so far.

 

New episode next week...but the Pistons fuck with that too.

[Guest Steve J. Rogers]

Just noticed something odd from watching "Conversations With Dead People" and noticed that Xander is nowhere to be found in that episode, which leads me to wonder if Sarah Michelle Gellar (as Buffy Summers) and Allyson Hannigan (as Willow Rosenberg) are the only actors/characters to appear in every single episode of BTVS?

 

I'm thinking of making a post in the folder about characters that make it through every episode of a TV shows run (Hawkeye on MASH, Archie on All In The Family/Archie's Place, ect) pretty intresting tidbit for fans of inane minutea (if I spelled that right) as it'd be hard to check unless you had every episode uncut (either as originally aired or on a commerical (or pirated as the case could be) tape or DVD.

 

You shouldn't trust syndicated re-broadcasts for that sort of project as, well scenes are cut and someone could have appeared for a moment, said a line or was part of the background, and that'd be their appearance in the episode and that could have been cut.

 

There is a site called deepspacefranchise.net that keeps some charts for sci-fi/fantasy shows but most of them are woefully out of date (The Buffy one goes up to S3 and even that has a few holes in it)

 

Steve

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Just noticed something odd from watching "Conversations With Dead People" and noticed that Xander is nowhere to be found in that episode, which leads me to wonder if Sarah Michelle Gellar (as Buffy Summers) and Allyson Hannigan (as Willow Rosenberg) are the only actors/characters to appear in every single episode of BTVS?

You shouldn't trust syndicated re-broadcasts for that sort of project as, well scenes are cut and someone could have appeared for a moment, said a line or was part of the background, and that'd be their appearance in the episode and that could have been cut.

They have to be the only ones in every ep since Xander took up missing, didn't know any dead people I guess. Cause the next closest after Buffy, Willow, and Xander is Giles...and he for sure hasn't been in every ep.

 

And I know about reairing shows...long story why I don't have it taped in the first place.

[Guest Mole]

Yeah, I noticed that Xander wasn't there.

 

When Dawn was 'talking' to Joyce, and she appeared on the couch, it scared the SHIT out of me. I didn't notice her, then I did, then I jumped, then I was scared.

 

The tape I recorded the show on decided to fuck with me, and I couldn't watch the rest of the episode. I've already seen it, but it's sooo good I wanted it on tape.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I don't have anything relivent to add...I'm just saying that Piston's basketball is putting Buffy on hold AGAIN! for the next 2 weeks...that makes 3 weeks in a row.

[Guest Mole]

Thank god CT doesn't have a basketball team.

 

Oh wait, it still would be cool.