Guest Cavi Report post Posted May 8, 2003 My fears came to fruition tonight - the local WB affiliate went down. No Angel for me. Looks like they will air it tomorrow night, so it isn't that mega huge of a deal, but still... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2003 Last I heard, he was involved in the now canceled Miracles that aired on ABC this past season. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted May 8, 2003 That went far... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fazzle Report post Posted May 8, 2003 Most of everything that I've read agrees that Angel has been better than Buffy this year. The real question though, is how people think this compares to classic (seasons 2 and 3) Buffy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LaParkaYourCar 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2003 Maybe the Angelus episodes, but the rest of the season has been a little scatterbrained on Angel. I've loved every minute of this season's Buffy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Big McLargeHuge Report post Posted May 8, 2003 I fucking missed it!!! I had to work from 5 to 11 pm. Please, somebody fill me in on tonight's ep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted May 8, 2003 I didn't see the full season, so I can't give my input. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 8, 2003 Buffy has been strong all season while angel started with a bang and fizzled out. Much like last year IMO(but I thought Buffy season 6 kicked all kinds of ass but I know I am in the minority). I would love to discuss last nights show, but since it seems no one here has seen it yet, I will wait. I will say that they last scene is the very definition of bittersweet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2003 Screw it Ripper. Anyone who goes into this thread knows that we've seen it already and since it's the last episode of the season, there's no more spoilers, except for Buffy ones. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 8, 2003 I follow the word of Dames. The only part of the show that was intertesting to me was the Angel/Conner interaction and the Lilah/Wesley stuff. The scenes between these four(and that top that Lilah was wearing) made it a great show. All of the surrounding stuff with Gunn, Fred and Loren...blah. Although the scene with Gunn in the white room was intresting in a sorta what the hell just happened way. Conner...I will say he is alot like Dawn. Alot of people hated him for reacting exactly how he should react. I'm sorry but the kid was raised in hell and told that his father hated him...if he had gotten over his abondonment, and effection issues I would have hated him. His realistic angst made him a watchable character for me. His breakdown was inevitable. All he felt his life was constant rejection. First he is told his father abandoned him, Holtz killed himself all in a plot to get back at Angel, his affections for the boy never being real. Cordillia didn't really love him and he knew it. THen there was Jasmine. Although he never felt the "Peace and love" she gave everyone else, he was relishing in being accepted, being loved because he knew that everyone was sincere and honest when they said it then(although it wasn't their choice). His major breakdown begain the week before in the church where you could see all the emotion and want to belong pour out of that kid. So when he snapped (and attempted to kill a shit load of people with homemade bomb...and I mean really, where did he learn to make those...were there Home depots in Hell for him to practice growing up) it had to be seen a mile away. His argument/discussion with Angel and the fight that followed was heartbreaking...as was the end...sorta. You have to be happy(as was Angel) to see that he was given a regular life...but the cost to Angel was huge. He would never know what it was like for his son to love him. He would most probably never see him again. But he gave it all away so his son could be happy...he gave him the life he could never have with him. The Wesley trying to free Lilah thing was so touching also. He really loved her rather he wants to admit it or not. And she actually knows it now. Kinda sad she has to return back to hell, but I will miss the hell out of her...and that blouse. One question though...Fred said "Who is Conner" at the end suggesting that all of the him being born in the alley thing never happend...ok...cool...But Cordy is still in a comma from having Jasmine...the baby she and Conner concieved. But Conner never existed now....which means no Jasmine, no Beast, no destroying W&H and Lilah shouldn't have gotten killed at the hotel while running from the Beast that should have never come back...oh now I've gone all cross eyed...I guess this is one of those sit back and enjoy and don't ask questions moments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mecha Mummy 0 Report post Posted May 8, 2003 So, Connor is totally erased from history to everyone but Angel and the company, hunh? I wish I knew a little more about this. I'm guessing Darla's still nothing but dust either way... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted May 8, 2003 I think just the memories of Connor are gone, but everything else is still intact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 8, 2003 Sooo, what, now nobody else from Angel Inc. knows who Cordy's baby daddy was...I guess...that's kinda possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted May 8, 2003 But Cordy didn't "have" a baby... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 8, 2003 Yeah she did. It just happened to be full grown and have sexy ass lips... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TonyJaymzV1 Report post Posted May 8, 2003 hey does anyone know when angels:season 2 is released Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 8, 2003 In September I do believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted May 8, 2003 It is now August. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 8, 2003 I see what you mean Ripper, and that probably will be the case (everyone forgetting everything related to Connor) and normally I would be mad at such a glaring omission and 'wasted storyline', but the way they handled it with the 'free will' and 'cost of peace' and the end with Connor, it's just fitting. If you look at it like the whole season was closing a chapter on the Connor Saga (it was very Connor-centric) then it all makes sense. People didn't ask for their memories to be changed or erased and Angel made that decision for them. As for the entire season - there was a lot of stuff going on... that's all I will say Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Steve J. Rogers Report post Posted May 8, 2003 But Cordy didn't "have" a baby... I doubt Cordy will remeber anything about last season. It was really Jasimine controlling her. Oh my God I just realized that to her it'll be like the Dallas "season that was a dream" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted May 9, 2003 I see what you mean Ripper, and that probably will be the case (everyone forgetting everything related to Connor) and normally I would be mad at such a glaring omission and 'wasted storyline', but the way they handled it with the 'free will' and 'cost of peace' and the end with Connor, it's just fitting. If you look at it like the whole season was closing a chapter on the Connor Saga (it was very Connor-centric) then it all makes sense. People didn't ask for their memories to be changed or erased and Angel made that decision for them. As for the entire season - there was a lot of stuff going on... that's all I will say Exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Marshall Report post Posted May 9, 2003 My only wish for next season is hopefully Gun can now turn into a panther at will. That'd be cool. Right? I'm glad they wrapped up Connor nicely and sent him off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted May 9, 2003 Gunn into a panther...that'd be...weird, but phat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted May 10, 2003 Just a thought on the Connor thing: I don't think it's that confusing. Angel killed him in the sporting goods store, thus fulfilling that whole "father will kill the son" prophecy. And so he had no son anymore, and it was all voided out. So they basically did a Dawn with him, and it looks like W&H put him into that family, but only Angel seems to get to remember him. Kooky. I hope it gets renewed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Max Danger Report post Posted May 10, 2003 Just a thought on the Connor thing: I don't think it's that confusing. Angel killed him in the sporting goods store, thus fulfilling that whole "father will kill the son" prophecy. And so he had no son anymore, and it was all voided out. So they basically did a Dawn with him, and it looks like W&H put him into that family, but only Angel seems to get to remember him. Kooky. I hope it gets renewed. You're right, because Connor said "You wanted to eat me, or at least I think you did." That was in reference to when Connor was born and his blood was mixed in with the blood that Angel was drinking(the whole "father will kill the son" deal). And then Connor said, "But not enough to hold on." And then Angel told Connor, "I really do love you." Which Connor replied with, "Then what are you going to do about it?" And, thus, Angel killed him. He proved his love finally to his son, by killing him. That was what Angel needed to do in order for whatever type of spell Wolfram & Hart used to put Connor in that other family. And like with the whole "Angel becomes human" episode from season one, only Angel can remember anything about it. Because he is the only one who could bear the burden. So... um, this was virtually useless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted May 10, 2003 How was it useless? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted May 11, 2003 I kinda like sending Conner off with a normal life, I think it would work better for the story if it stays that way. It would tear Angel up inside and wouldn't effect anyone else. This was Angel's weakest season, still not bad. Not not near as good as Buffy. And the "Father will kill the son" phrophecy was really a hoax...funny how it worked out though. The one problem early on in Angel is that the charcters didn't mesh well. They fixed that in season 3 but Conner just didn't fit in. Good send off, but not the best season ender. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 11, 2003 I would say that they probably had the most amount of *excellent* eps. in this season, but that doesn't always transfer over. They just had too much stuff going on. Angelus could have been a season onto itself (or half of one), ditto with the Beast, ditto with Jasmine, ditto with Cordy (ok, not Cordy). But they had all 4 bads in one big one and not to mention Lilah, Connor, and The Hot Electric Chick havin some heelish instances. They did Cordy's heel turn for WAY too long, they built up the beast so well just to have him gone very anti-climatically, the usage of faith was good but they could have stretched it out, Angelus rocked it but should have been used longer... Basically, what I am saying is this: They did way too much to get to Jasmine just to have her there for like 6 episodes. I think that this season will be appreciated more through re-runs (if they get to re-runs). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Report post Posted May 11, 2003 I agree. This would have been a case of keeping it simpler to be better. Angelus and the Beast alone should have and could have made the season tighter, more efficient, and more directed. As it was, there was very little room for any sort of character development in the second half of the season, because it was all cliffhanger after cliffhanger moving on to the next big plot point. There were some great moments--the entirety of the episode wherein Fred's the only one who knows Jasmine's true face and Wesley's pre-decapitation scene with Lilah's corpse are the biggies--but this really felt like a plot steamroller. I watched it and enjoyed it, but in the long run I won't remember it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Max Danger Report post Posted May 11, 2003 How was it useless? My post was useless. To me, it didn't make much sense writing all that, because I really didn't have a point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
