The One and Only Rage Thread.

[Guest SP-1]

I will. I also edited my post to reflect something else I picked up from it, basically what you were saying. Didn't want to just make another post for it (even though this ended up being basically that . . . ).

 

SP

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Something that helped was not looking at my personal tastes as a holy crusade.

 

My personal taste are not a holy crusade, its my vested intrest in the insane amount of things that lower the standards for everyone that is. If britney spears was just a singer who made music, I wouldnt give two fucks about her, but shes not. (Jessica Simpson isnt whoreing herself out like Britney is, so I have no problems with her, I dont like her music, that is my taste, and I dont care if anyone else does or doesnt liek her music.) Britney is used as a prototype and set as an idol, and rememeber what the bible says about false idols, (And yes false prophets)bad idea. (And while Im not a religious person, the bible does have good ideas in it so i use it from time to time for anyone that wants to call me out for using the bible when Im an atheist.)

 

We as a society are now turning more of a blind eye acceptance to things that we really should be stopping and it horribly upsets me. Sorry i feel that way. I mean you go into restaurants and children dont behave and if you bother to tell the kid to shut up, the parents yell at you because you discipled the child cause they wouldnt. That is messed up. Seeing young girls wearing shirts that say hottie and I steal boyfriends is so beyond fuckedup that it boggles my mind. Yet parents let their kids wear these things? WHY? We've been a society of blind acceptance and its fucking us up really bad in my opinion.

 

I dont think its right to show kids 18 year old girls drssed in skimpy outfits, and say, this is a role model, act like this, yet thats exatcly what we do. (remember Molly Hollys character who said virginty was a good thing, and people booed, wtf!) We put their images everywhere. From CD's to Lunchboxes, there they are, images of sex. Now im not anti porno, or anti sex, I love both, but Im an adult, I can make that decision on my own about what i buy read say or do, children cant. And children buy listen and believe what is told to them, and its been reported that children spend as much as 50hours a week in front of a tv, and the message that the tv sends to kids are very very bad. Parents dont spend time with their kids and tv becomes the messanger of what to do, Im a living example of it. Tv raised me more then my parents did, I watched more tv then they talk to me. But as an adult now, i was able to step away from that, Ive talked more to my parents in the last 2 years then in the last 19. Ive sepearted TV from myself, most kids cant or dont because mom and dad arent there.

 

I dont like kids, but I dont think we should be marketing sex to them, I dont think we should be selling toys to them under the false idea that this will bring you ultimate happiness, and did you feel that way a child everytime you wanted a toy, this will be ultimate happiness? Yet these are tthe things sold to kids.

 

Great article Sandman.

[Guest SP-1]

I don't think it's so much for the ultimate happiness, Cynical. Toys, sex, and the like are forms of happiness--right this second. Don't worry about investing your heart into anything! Oh, no, certainly not! Be happy in this moment, and find what makes you happy the next when it gets here. Be bland and undeveloped and don't worry about finding happiness in things that truly make you happy.

 

This is the message that the world sends us. And yes, television teaches us to mold ourselves after the people in the set in the living room, not to develop our own true personalities to live from. Be George Clooney, don't be Cynical Profit! All in the name of what? Finding a persona now, this instant. Forget about spending time developing who you are! It's here, now, imitate and and be joyful, until the next thirty-minute block or programming where you can find a new persona to latch on to.

 

I think that's where the problem lies. And it makes those of us that are in touch with ourselves, that live from our passion for living and being ourselves, miserable when we come up against the bland, undeveloped, gimme-gimme-now world.

 

That's where so much of my argument came from. I think we're on a similar wavelength, we just see different roots for this tree. I will say, however, that if several people on this board are anything like how they write, they might have some pretty good ideas. Thanks for kind of having this mutate into a bit of a discussion, guys.

 

SP

[Guest EricMM]

girls are shallow and guys or stupid

 

or is it the other way around?

 

depends on who you ask.

 

It's definitely true that girls smell desire, and they dislike it. I get the feeling sometimes that girls LIKE to be annoying, since they look for the guys that aren't looking for them. They ignore people who will be nice and chose people who will be assholes. So does that make them stupid as well as shallow?

 

let me say this, guys aren't as flat out stupid in choosing signifigant others than girls are. You can say we're not as picky, but who do girls pick? Tends to be assholes. That's because they're ... weird.

 

You don't have to be an asshole, you just need to get it through your head that you can't be desperate. Don't be desperate. Relax.

[Guest LooseCannon]

Reading over this thread has made me pretty fucking glad I was a stupid, redneck jock in high school. Except I wasn't.

 

Also, if being a nice guy isn't getting you any play, try being an asshole. The twats will be dripping, not tripping, then.

[Guest Sandman9000]

I know what you mean, SP. If you looked at the part where Rob Dibble was talking about how much he misses that feeling, I know exactly what he means. It's just an outlet for everything you have built up inside of you. Athletes have talked about being in "the zone" for years, well, unleashing your rage like that is the closest I've ever been to the zone, and I've been looking for a way to find that feeling ever since. I know I hit that zone once, and I've spent two years since trying desperately to find a way back. I just need to find an outlet that will let me unleash my pent-up frustration and rage in a healthy fashion that shotput did. Exercise doesn't, lifting doesn't, fighting might but I'm looking for a healthy way.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

That's where so much of my argument came from. I think we're on a similar wavelength, we just see different roots for this tree. I will say, however, that if several people on this board are anything like how they write, they might have some pretty good ideas. Thanks for kind of having this mutate into a bit of a discussion, guys.

 

And you wonder why i praise you.

 

Reading over this thread has made me pretty fucking glad I was a stupid, redneck jock in high school. Except I wasn't.

um....ok. Ill bite, what were you then.

 

There is no reason to be an asshole to get chicks, it makes you less of a man, in my opinion, if you have to be a dickhead to get pussy. Women are beautiful creatures and should be treated as such, yet when you tell a girl that she laughs at you and goes and fucks the gork with the big dick and huge muscles. If girls dont like you for your senstive side, you're better off without them. *Lewis Black mode*You were give a right hand, USE IT!*mode off*

[Guest SP-1]

Looking for a healthy way is probably a good thing.

 

I wouldn't know what to suggest. My way comes in my writing, and my being involved in the arts and such. When I'm totally focused on a storytelling effort, it's almost always focused around a story or a part of a story that deals with something bothering me, or with something I'm very passionate about. When I'm in that zone, when my anger about how something normally happens is being focused, I go into super storyteller mode and I'm almost on a crusade to create a different world, a different scenario where something decent and pure can actually take place for someone.

 

My rant on what happens to those of us with desire isn't solely aimed at girls. There are guys that concentrate on insta-happiness just as much, if not worse. My problem comes with what happens to the artists and romantics in general. I could care less about hooking up with some random chick to find a quick fix to my romantic and/or sexual life. I'd rather take the time to build something, and experience something on a deeper level. *shrugs* That's me, though. I need a sunrise painted in rich colors, not the darkest night of simple black, not the brightest day of bright blue. But variety, and a world that has placed beautiful passion into something for once, where things are in a constant state of change. It is the unfortunate reality that I live in the perception of that sunrise when so many around me are trapped in simple day and night.

 

SP

[Guest LooseCannon]

There is no reason to be an asshole to get chicks, it makes you less of a man, in my opinion, if you have to be a dickhead to get pussy. Women are beautiful creatures and should be treated as such, yet when you tell a girl that she laughs at you and goes and fucks the gork with the big dick and huge muscles. If girls dont like you for your senstive side, you're better off without them. *Lewis Black mode*You were give a right hand, USE IT!*mode off*

I'm just trying to help you kids out. If the girls laugh at you when you say that, maybe they don't think you're being sincere. Or maybe you should just try taking some penis enhancement pills and start working out. But I don't really believe that "nice guys finish last." I see plenty of nice guys that do just fine. Maybe you're spending too much time chasing the wrong girls. Or maybe you're problem is that you're an arrogant prick. I don't know. I do know that I see a lot of women who go for these "nice" guys that will treat them well.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Me, yeah, Im an arrogant prick, but ive only gone after 2 girls my whole life cause in general, im not intrested in sex or relationships or dealing with relationships. Ive just been around enough of them to see what works and what doesnt. Note, cheating never works.

 

Yeah when HS is over, everything tends to work out alot better, but in hs, forget it, nice guys finish last. And even as adults I see alot of nice guys getting fucked over, but I admit I see guys who i never even thought would survive doing just fine now.

[Guest SP-1]

I think that much of it also deals with the people you tend to hang around with. If I got deeper into the artistic community around here, I'd probably have a girl that meets my requirements find her way into my life. The inherent problem is that finding a true, deep artistic community where I live is fairly difficult without having to venture to Charleston all the time. One of these days I'll be able to really take the time to seek one out, but as it is us artists are fairly isolated.

 

SP

[Guest cynicalprofit]

SP, with me, you are dealing with an artist, and one with a degree no less. No wonder I like you.

[Guest LooseCannon]

Me, yeah, Im an arrogant prick, but ive only gone after 2 girls my whole life cause in general, im not intrested in sex or relationships or dealing with relationships. Ive just been around enough of them to see what works and what doesnt. Note, cheating never works.

 

Yeah when HS is over, everything tends to work out alot better, but in hs, forget it, nice guys finish last. And even as adults I see alot of nice guys getting fucked over, but I admit I see guys who i never even thought would survive doing just fine now.

 

I wasn't calling you an arrogant prick, I was suggesting that you might come off as one to the ladies. But after the last post, I think maybe not.

 

Yeah, everything's a lot better after highschool. At least I think so. On the other hand, they're the best years of some people's lives.

[Guest SP-1]

Awesome. Would I be correct in thinking you're a musician or in that industry somehow? The only reason I get that vibe is because you've kind of focused on it (somewhat) in your rants.

 

I'm more of the writer/actor type. I think music is one of the most powerful forms of artistry, however, even though I don't mess with it much as a creative medium. I do use it to imagine things to, though. I like alot of orchestrated stuff in addition to the rock and such. There's nothing quite so cleansing when it comes to rage for me than to just rock out sometimes. Adding imagination and purpose to the episode is just magical sometimes.

 

SP

[Guest cynicalprofit]

No i am a prick, I know it, im a certified asshole too. Its who i am. Makes it fun though cause when i drive bomb people at parties they knew it was comming. I come off as one exp to women though because I wont play games, i wont do that, oh i dont like you but i really do, shit, either straight up talk to me and see if we can have a conversation, or dont bother. Dont play around, have a conversation. And its worked alot better at meeting girls then you would think. To bad many of them fear me when i ask things like, every kill anyone, which I usualy only use when the conversation goes totaly dead. Most girls dont get the joke, and it they cant, well they were not gonna met my stanrds so no real loss.

 

No hs was only good for one thing, teenage sex, or if you need to go on jepordy.

 

No im not a musican, I draw, I paint, I write, songs and poetry (no im not gay). My hatred of music comes from the fact I use music as a muse and to keep me focused, and i have to deal with crap alot just to find 1 thing that is good. And the whole ok is greatness that is constantly shoved at me and people are like, wow thats so amazing and im like no, that sucks and it ripped off such and such.

 

You're like what 17, SP. If so, you're the representation of the good me at that age.

[Guest SP-1]

I draw sometimes, but writing stories, songs and poetry are my main outlets. And I'm not gay either, heh.

 

19, actually, though my naive nature at times may make it sound like I'm younger. *shrugs*

 

SP

[Guest cynicalprofit]

No biggie, you just sound like the good side of me at 17.

[Guest EricMM]

Women are beautiful creatures and should be treated as such,

 

What a fucking joke. Women are guys with boobs and vaginas, and guys are girls with dicks and bigger muscles. We're all fucking human. Girls are no more honest, clean, faithful, or anything like that than guys, BELIEVE ME.

 

Taking them off a fucking pedastal is the best way to be honest about a relationship.

 

Girls can be beautiful, but I am a much better person than many of the other girls I know.

 

The best way to get with girls INITIALLY, I mean fast, is to treat them as guys that you can hug. Do that, but don't fear them or treat them different. Get a rapport going and you're half the way there. Assholes just don't fear the process like timid people who fear girls' responses.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

Women are guys with boobs and vaginas, and guys are girls with dicks and bigger muscles. We're all fucking human. Girls are no more honest, clean, faithful, or anything like that than guys, BELIEVE ME.

 

Um I dont cheat, I refuse to cheat, if i want to end my relationship I will do it with words, not fucking around on someone because I see the emotional damge it does. And me and my gf have discussed this mutually that if it gets the an end point, this is how we will do it. So you're wrong right there, some of us are smart enough to have relationships that arent equivalent to highschool ones.

 

Girls can be beautiful, but I am a much better person than many of the other girls I know.

 

You certainly sound like it.

 

The best way to get with girls INITIALLY, I mean fast, is to treat them as guys that you can hug. Do that, but don't fear them or treat them different. Get a rapport going and you're half the way there. Assholes just don't fear the process like timid people who fear girls' responses.

 

Sounds like a great way for emotionless one night stands and meaningless relationships, not caring about another person. If you dont treat a girl as special, she wont think you're special. If you treat her as just another person, wheres the relationship?

 

Oh yeah, go down on them. And when you meet her mother, buy her flowers too.

[Guest Leena]

Women are beautiful creatures and should be treated as such,

 

What a fucking joke. Women are guys with boobs and vaginas, and guys are girls with dicks and bigger muscles. We're all fucking human. Girls are no more honest, clean, faithful, or anything like that than guys, BELIEVE ME.

 

Taking them off a fucking pedastal is the best way to be honest about a relationship.

 

Girls can be beautiful, but I am a much better person than many of the other girls I know.

 

The best way to get with girls INITIALLY, I mean fast, is to treat them as guys that you can hug. Do that, but don't fear them or treat them different. Get a rapport going and you're half the way there. Assholes just don't fear the process like timid people who fear girls' responses.

Eric, you know too much about women... stop it. It's fun toying with guys who kiss our asses. Seriously though, he's right... I'll only like a guy if he acts straight with me. If you go overboard trying to "win my heart" or whatever, I'll just laugh at you.

 

We're the same as you... if you're cute, I'll give you a chance... if you're not, go away. Every single person is like that.

[Guest LaParkaMarka]

The best way to get with girls INITIALLY, I mean fast, is to treat them as guys that you can hug. Do that, but don't fear them or treat them different. Get a rapport going and you're half the way there. Assholes just don't fear the process like timid people who fear girls' responses.

 

Sounds like a great way for emotionless one night stands and meaningless relationships, not caring about another person. If you dont treat a girl as special, she wont think you're special. If you treat her as just another person, wheres the relationship?

 

Oh yeah, go down on them. And when you meet her mother, buy her flowers too.

I think he isn't saying that you should never treat her any differently than anyone else. See the all caps INITIALLY? He's (trying) to say that when you first meet a girl, don't treat them like some kind of goddess or whatever and get to know them. Figure out if the girl is right for you, let her figure out if you're right for her, and go from there. Once you're in a relationship, feel free to treat her special.

 

I'm somewhat suprised you would even want to treat someone "special" right away...if I meet a chick at a party, I'm not going to buy her flowers right then or something. Shouldn't you try and get to know the girl first? I mean, just because a girl is hot does not mean she's anything special at all. I wasn't even attracted to my ex when I met her (I was in the middle of chasing a friend of hers, actually) but over a period of a year or so I really got to know her and liked her for being, you know, her. It's great that you're willing to treat a girl well, since some guys don't, but it's cheap and meaningless if you treat ever girl that catches your eye like they're you're soulmate.

 

Of course, I may have misconstrued either yours or EricMM{/b], so apologies if I have.

[Guest EricMM]

CynicalProfit

Um I dont cheat, I refuse to cheat, if i want to end my relationship I will do it with words, not fucking around on someone because I see the emotional damge it does. And me and my gf have discussed this mutually that if it gets the an end point, this is how we will do it. So you're wrong right there, some of us are smart enough to have relationships that arent equivalent to highschool ones.

If that is based on my remark about honesty, let me say that 1) girls are just as likely to cheat as anyone and 2) what I REALLY meant was that girls are just as likely to lie, go behind your back, and fake niceties as a guy will, ESPECIALLY with other girls. I don't think Niceties is a word ...

 

CynicalProfit

Sounds like a great way for emotionless one night stands and meaningless relationships, not caring about another person. If you dont treat a girl as special, she wont think you're special. If you treat her as just another person, wheres the relationship?

The best way to get emotionless one night stands is to Relentlessly treat a girl like a piece of ass, get them drunk, and make out with them. You will get turned down some, and you will also get laid some. If you're cute, you will get laid a lot.

 

However, the best way to neeeeeeeeever eeeeeeeever get with a girl you like is to stare at her from across the room. To come up to her and stammer. It may seem cute (MAY) but it's not as cute as a confident guy... Don't fool yourself.

 

Leena

if you're cute, I'll give you a chance... if you're not, go away. Every single person is like that.

That's slightly wrong. First impressions are key, very key. If you're not dressed the part, then you will certainly need to do something better. Leena seems to be overly obsessed with looks (you think?) but not everyone is like that. That is not to say that most people will look past looks, because if you're not presenting yourself correctly, you won't get anywhere. But most people have standards that most people can fit in to. It's all about chemistry in the end. I like long legs, while my friend can't stand girls who are as tall as him, and he's pretty short. Therefore, he likes shorter girls. The lesson here is that in relationships as in so much else, don't put all your eggs in one basket. Don't be fixated on one girl, at a party or in your head. Just imagine if you were born two towns over, or two states away. You'd probably find someone you liked just as much.

 

 

Honestly, if you give yourself a chance, girls will too. The most common trap I see people falling into here is believing conciously or subconciously that they aren't good enough. That's stupid. Chances are very good that the girl you are trying to get with has AT LEAST as many self-image issues as you do. Do you think she's ugly? No. Then chances may be, she doesn't think you are ugly. Go up to her assuming that she thinks you're cute. Make small talk, like anyone else you just met. Crack a joke, laugh at something else, just be sociable. If she's smiling, good. If she's twirling her hair, great. If she sits in your lap, um yeah.

[Guest SP-1]

I refuse to dress a certain way or act a certain way to fit into someone else's earthly "standard". To hell with that, bucko.

 

While I agree that it's silly to go into full on chivalry mode right off the bat, I do think that women should be treated with a high amount of dignity, honor, and respect at all times. It's the modern society where, let's face it, everyone is a slut, that has asked us to stop being men on the matter.

 

Sorry, but I refuse to be some two bit man-slut that treats women like dirt simply because I don't know them "that well." In my mind and heart, they deserve a certain amount of respect, and bah gawd I'm going to show it. If she laughs at me for it, then she has issues and our beliefs are far enough apart, apparently, that it wouldn't move beyond friends anyway. And you know, ultimately, my heart bleeds for any girl that thinks so little of herself that she feels a need to laugh at a man who is being a gentleman, being a man, in order to fit in with the rest of the population.

 

But I suppose my point that we romantics, we gentlemen and artists, will only come up against so much resistance as we live from those passions, is further emphasized by it all.

 

SP

[Guest EricMM]

SP you're acting like they're somehow more deserving of politeness than you are.

 

I'm not saying treat them like trash, I'm saying treat them like people.

 

Christ, girls are people too...

[Guest SP-1]

It's an odd balance to strike, Eric. Yes, they're people too, and if you'll scroll up and re-read my initial posts, I definitely have a bone to pick with the stupid ones. But ultimately, there are alot of girls out there that are a princess at heart and should be treated like it. But the door goes both ways, and I'm not going to stick around if I'm not treated like the Prince that I am.

 

So definitely, it goes both ways. But when things are falling into place, go all out for each other. And initially, I think yes you should be a gentleman. If it isn't returned, then move on, she's obviously not your type. I should have explained that a bit better.

 

SP

[Guest cynicalprofit]

I don't think Niceties is a word ...

As I say to everyone, you said it, its a word now. Nothing personal but you can people say its nota word when they just said it?

 

Confidence is important, but lying is not, which is how most relationships seem to start from what ive seen. And when you build on lies, the truth tears everything apart.

 

CP (I stole that from you sp, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery))

[Guest LooseCannon]

But I suppose my point that we romantics, we gentlemen and artists, will only come up against so much resistance as we live from those passions, is further emphasized by it all.

I am so glad I was just a stupid, redneck jock in highschool and not the kind've asshole who called himself a poet. But keep fighting brother.

[Guest SP-1]

That's twice now, I believe, you've said that, Cannon. Do you have a legitimate beef with me because of my views or are you just joking around?

 

SP

[Guest EricMM]

Being afraid to talk to girls doesn't make you a poet or anything like it.

 

It makes you lonely.

 

look if a girl sees youre fawning over her, she'll know that you want her more than she wants you.

 

That doesn't work.

 

She needs to want you as much as you want her.

 

That doesn't happen when anything involved can be described as "Pathetic."

 

Here's an example: Juliette though Romeo was just as hot as he thought she was. So there was chemistry. Juliette didn't like Romeo because he was nice to her. This is first impressions keed. You shouldn't have to work around them. Find someone who likes you, not someone who doesn't like you.

[Guest SP-1]

Okay, now I have to wonder just who the hell said that being a poet had anything to do with women?!

 

I'm a poet because I write . . . poetry! Not about girls all the time, and my life does not center on females. They piss me off quite often, but it doesn't center on them. The majority of my poetry and writings is about my faith and living in general. Love is simply a part of that, and love does not always have to center on a significant other. Romanticism is not defined simply by a dating/marriage/sexual relationship, it is an existence grounded in passion and love for life in general.

 

And who said I was afraid to talk to girls? I didn't. And I'm not. If I were afraid, would I have the experience to say the things I've been saying about my past relationships and dealings with them? No, didn't think so. I'm merely at a point now where I am much more reserved about who I decide to talk to. Simply because a girl is "hot" doesn't mean I'm automatically going to drop what I'm doing and have a go at getting her interest. If a chick's hot, then yay. Good for her. If I wind up getting to know her better and she's emotionally/intelligently compatible, then I might consider an attempt at taking the relationship further.

 

Isn't it fun when people try to draw things out that weren't there in the first place? Bah.

 

SP