Moves that I want to see

[Guest Jonathan Barber]

There are so many manueveres out there that are possible, yet I don't thnk I've ever seen them used. Here are some:

 

- Both guys stand on the middle buckle. They both face the ring. One guy is behind the other. The guy behind applies a full nelson, and then leaps off and brings the other guy off with him. They land in a sitdown reverse powerbomb on the mat. I've seen one of these done several times, but never off of the turnbuckles.

 

- Shouldermount (Electric Chair Drop hold) into a Hotshot on the ring ropes.

 

- Torture Rack into a Stunner

 

- Fireman Carry into a Neckbreaker

 

- Torture Rack into an inverted Michinoku Driver II (Edge's Inverted X-Factor).

 

- Flying Shooting Star Huracanrana

 

- One guy is standing on the mat and another on the top buckle. The guy on the top leaps off and performs a victory roll.

 

- Full Nelson into Sitout Head Plant (Inverted X-Factor)

 

- Tombstone Piledriver hold into a Sitdown Reverse Powerbomb

 

- Flying Moonsault into a Front Facebuster

 

- Corkscrew Moonsault into Somersault Neckbreaker (Corkscrew Buff Blockbuster).

 

- Vic Grimes Powerbomb into a Back Iconoclasm off of the top buckle. That'd be mad awesome!

 

- Steve Rizzono's One Night Stand (Inverted Facelock into Leg Drop Takedown [inverted Famasser]) off of the top buckle!

 

- Oklahoma Roll while facing your opponent, not from behind them.

 

- Sabu's Triple-Jump Moonsault, but into a Corkscrew Somersault Senton.

 

Any moves you guys would like to see that you don't think have been done?

[Guest Nevermortal]

I'd like to see Rolling Dragon Suplexes.

[Guest Jonathan Barber]

I'd like to see Rolling Dragon Suplexes.

Damn, that would hurt...

 

Great signature.

[Guest Ravenbomb]

Tiger Driver '91 off the top rope!

 

Standing 450 splash

 

One guy is on the top turnbuckle one guy is standing on the mat. The guy on the turnbuckle somersaults onto the guys shoulders like for a Dragon Rana, flips forward into a Code Red, then flips over again into a jack knife cradle thing. All in one move

[Guest Dace59]

Shouldermount (Electric Chair Drop hold) into a Hotshot on the ring ropes.

Been done, Edge/Eddie did it recently

 

Torture Rack into a Stunner

Hard to done, but highly likely to have been done.

 

Torture Rack into an inverted Michinoku Driver II (Edge's Inverted X-Factor).

An MD2 lands on the back like an Inverted X Factor, An Inverted MD2 would be face down.

And it's been done, the Inverted Moonlight Bomb.

 

Flying Shooting Star Huracanrana

Very very hard to do for real.

 

One guy is standing on the mat and another on the top buckle. The guy on the top leaps off and performs a victory roll

Rey has done this many times.

 

Full Nelson into Sitout Head Plant (Inverted X-Factor)

Sitout Full Nelsom Slam, been done. And an X Factor is a Faceslam.

 

Tombstone Piledriver hold into a Sitdown Reverse Powerbomb

That's just a strange lift into Sitout Inverted Powerbomb.

 

Flying Moonsault into a Front Facebuster

Rey does this one too. And you mean Faceslam.

 

Corkscrew Moonsault into Somersault Neckbreaker (Corkscrew Buff Blockbuster).

That's just crazy.

 

Sabu's Triple-Jump Moonsault, but into a Corkscrew Somersault Senton

That's just adding a setup. Just as easy as the two moves on their own.

 

I'd like to see Rolling Dragon Suplexes.

Done in Japan.

 

Standing 450 splash.

Nearlly ever cruiser in the indies and that yardtards does this.

[Guest Jonathan Barber]

Shouldermount (Electric Chair Drop hold) into a Hotshot on the ring ropes.

Been done, Edge/Eddie did it recently

 

Torture Rack into a Stunner

Hard to done, but highly likely to have been done.

 

Torture Rack into an inverted Michinoku Driver II (Edge's Inverted X-Factor).

An MD2 lands on the back like an Inverted X Factor, An Inverted MD2 would be face down.

And it's been done, the Inverted Moonlight Bomb.

 

ME: Oops. My bad.

 

Flying Shooting Star Huracanrana

Very very hard to do for real.

 

ME: I bet M-Dogg 20 could do it.

 

One guy is standing on the mat and another on the top buckle. The guy on the top leaps off and performs a victory roll

Rey has done this many times.

 

ME: I've seen most of his matches, whether they be in ECW, WCW, WWE, or Mexico, and has never seen him do it.

 

Full Nelson into Sitout Head Plant (Inverted X-Factor)

Sitout Full Nelsom Slam, been done. And an X Factor is a Faceslam.

 

ME: An X-Factor is a Sitout Face Plant/Mat Slam.

 

Tombstone Piledriver hold into a Sitdown Reverse Powerbomb

That's just a strange lift into Sitout Inverted Powerbomb.

ME: You'd lift them up for a tombstone and then flip them upward and land them in a Sitdown Inverted Powerbomb.

 

Flying Moonsault into a Front Facebuster

Rey does this one too. And you mean Faceslam.

 

Corkscrew Moonsault into Somersault Neckbreaker (Corkscrew Buff Blockbuster).

That's just crazy.

 

ME: No, it's not. It'd be awesome, and it's very much possible.

 

Sabu's Triple-Jump Moonsault, but into a Corkscrew Somersault Senton

That's just adding a setup. Just as easy as the two moves on their own.

 

ME: Well, I've never seen it before.

 

I'd like to see Rolling Dragon Suplexes.

Done in Japan.

 

Standing 450 splash.

Nearlly ever cruiser in the indies and that yardtards does this.

 

ME: Ruckus, Tony Stradlin, and others all do that move.

 

Also add an inverted bodyslam lift into a powerbomb (or sitdown powerbomb).

 

ALSO:

 

A side powerbomb lift into a side powerbomb hold (dominator) into an inverted DDT.

 

Super Inverted Russian Leg Sweep.

 

A Super Gory Guerrero Special.

 

Inverted Michinoku Driver II (does anybody actually use it as a finisher?)

 

Inverted Bodyslam into a DDT.

 

Fireman Carry into Sitout Spinebuster Slam.

 

An Inverted version of John Zandig's Mother F'n Bomb (Inverted Press Slam into Inverted Michinoku Driver II).

 

Super Uranage Slam.

 

A Super Ipponzei.

OK.

[Guest Nevermortal]

How about...an Inverted Crucifix into an Owendriver '97?

[Guest Jonathan Barber]

How about...an Inverted Crucifix into an Owendriver '97?

WTF is an Owen Driver?

[Guest Kagato Otaku]

The Austin-Killer, the big finish for Summer Slam '97, and one of the reasons why Steve was highly breakable in his latter days.

[Guest Ravenbomb]

Tag Team moves:

 

Iconoclasm/Sit-out powerbomb combo

 

Vertebreaker/Owen Driver combo

 

Drop Toehold into a Stunner

 

Wheelbarow Suplex/Corino Driver (inverted X-Factor) combo

[Guest Sandman9000]

A shooting star hurricarana is near impossible to do. A think a shooting star legdrop is as far as you could go, with the possible exception of a shooting star senton. M-Dogg had enough problems trying to do a shooting star DDT, so for him to get around enough to hitting the sitting position around his opponent's shoulders is a deathwish. It might be possible to the outside, but I don't know who's gonna do it.

[Guest Jonathan Barber]

A shooting star hurricarana is near impossible to do. A think a shooting star legdrop is as far as you could go, with the possible exception of a shooting star senton. M-Dogg had enough problems trying to do a shooting star DDT, so for him to get around enough to hitting the sitting position around his opponent's shoulders is a deathwish. It might be possible to the outside, but I don't know who's gonna do it.

Yeah, that Shooting Star DDT was pretty botched. M-Dogg didn't fly far enough forward.

 

Here's some tag team moves I'd like to see:

 

Powerbomb/Flying Somersault Neckbreaker combo

Vic Grimes' Back Iconoclasm/X-Factor combo

Inverted Suplex into Sitdown Inverted Powerbomb

Sitdown Powerbomb/Inverted DDT combo

Shouldermount into Stunner

[Guest deadbeater]

Combos from the smackdown three tags:

 

Edge/Mysterio: Fireball special hurricarana.

 

Benoit/Angle: SuperDick Belly to back/swandive headbutt combo.

 

The Guerreros: Gory Special/Hilo. Enough said.

 

From the ladies:

 

Molly:

Diva Mutilation: faceplant flip to cattle mutilation submission.

 

Sky Twister or Asai Molly Go Round (whoo hoo!!).

 

Backflip neckbreaker (is that possible?).

 

Moonwalk slam (Sidewalk slam with a moonwalk while holding opponent- that would be her People's Elbow I guess).

 

She should also do the Worm, just because!!

 

Trish, Stacy or any kicker:

 

Bookslam Kick: jump in front of opponent, do a split, then swing both legs closed at opponents face, simulating slamming a book closed. Note it is not a hurricarana.

[Guest razazteca]

I want to see the OVW guys do the moves that got them the job on RAW/HEAT.......Brock, Ortan, Batista I'm looking for a reason to like you.

 

The cross body press is weak, Ortan, do the damn wheelbarrel german suplex.

 

Brock Lesnear has been hyped as being able to do the SSP, but will it ever happen?

 

As for Batista what is this Demon Bomb that I hear good things about?

 

In general I would like to see more double team tandam submission moves.

[Guest Kotzenjunge]

I want to see my Aerial Finisher on No Mercy go down.

 

That would be the Phoenix Splash.

 

Fo sheez,

Kotzenjunge

[Guest Dace59]

An X-Factor is a Sitout Face Plant/Mat Slam.

 

No it's not. Look who you're arguing with. It's a Faceslam.

 

You'd lift them up for a tombstone and then flip them upward and land them in a Sitdown Inverted Powerbomb

 

I know what you'd do. Again, look at the sub name.

 

I've seen most of his matches, whether they be in ECW, WCW, WWE, or Mexico, and has never seen him do it.

 

I'm sure it's Rey I'm thinking of. I know someone does it. Rey does do a very similar head scissors take over, he just doesnt cradle them up.

 

Well, I've never seen it before. (Triple-Jump Corkscrew Somersault Senton)

 

I was just pointing out how easy it would be

 

Also add an inverted bodyslam lift into a powerbomb (or sitdown powerbomb).

 

Does sound that possible at first look, but I'll think on it

 

A side powerbomb lift into a side powerbomb hold (dominator) into an inverted DDT

Gutwrench to inverted DDT? Sound liked you'd have to be fast for that.

 

Fireman Carry into Sitout Spinebuster Slam.

 

That's the counter to Delphin's handspring Rana. A fancy one but it's been done.

 

An Inverted version of John Zandig's Mother F'n Bomb (Inverted Press Slam into Inverted Michinoku Driver II).

 

I think ALbert's done that one.

 

WTF is an Owen Driver?

Inverted Piledriver/K Driller

 

Vertebreaker/Owen Driver combo

 

Be easier with a Tombstone instead.

 

Iconoclasm/Sit-out powerbomb combo

Drop Toehold into a Stunner

Wheelbarow Suplex/Corino Driver (inverted X-Factor) combo

 

Surprised I havent seen these 3 done before.

 

Vic Grimes' Back Iconoclasm/X-Factor combo

That isn't possible, just think how the two moves land.

 

Inverted Suplex into Sitdown Inverted Powerbomb

It's be better to do a sitout slam, MD2/Falcon Arrow style.

 

Shouldermount into Stunner

Well, we've have Powerbomb to Diamond Cutter before, this one is just as do ible.

 

Sitdown Powerbomb/Inverted DDT combo

Powerbomb/Flying Somersault Neckbreaker combo

 

These two are so simple, you think we'd have seen them by know. Some indie team's probably done them.

 

I want to see my Aerial Finisher on No Mercy go down.

That would be the Phoenix Splash.

 

Go look for some Hayabusa clips. I've got one of it I think

[Guest Breetai]

Rolling double underhook (butterfly) suplexes, into a butterfly backbreaker into a Tiger Driver for the pin. Benoit should use this, it'd be awesome.

 

 

Top-rope burning hammer.

 

Psycho Driver into sheer drop brainbuster.

[Guest Dace59]

Rolling double underhook (butterfly) suplexes

 

Low Ki does one into a Double Underhook hold.

 

Top-rope burning hammer.

 

That's just stupid and dangerous.

 

Psycho Driver into sheer drop brainbuster

 

That would mean lifting them back up from the piledriver into a Sheer Drop Brainbuster.

You're thinking of a Torture Rack to Sheer Drop Brainbuster

[Guest Breetai]

That would mean lifting them back up from the piledriver into a Sheer Drop Brainbuster.

You're thinking of a Torture Rack to Sheer Drop Brainbuster

 

 

 

Yeah, that. And I was joking about the Top-rope burning hammer.

[Guest Dace59]

Ok. Torture Rack to Sheer Drop Brainbuster would be a cool move.

 

You couldnt do a Top Rope Burning Hammer anyway.

 

A Burning Hammer needs the Avalanche Torture Rack set up (Opp sitting on top, facing out, Attacker brings them down acorss there back in a Torture Rack/ Inverted Fireman's Carry)

Or it's just an Inverted DVD/Yamoto Speical 78.

 

So there's nothing higher than the top to sit them on. If you had a ladder outside the turnbuckles, and the opp sitting on the ladder, attacker on the top rope, then you could do it maybe. And kill the person.

[Guest Jonathan Barber]

Yes, man. It is. A sitout face plant and a mat slam are both the same thing and they're each an X-Factor.

 

Also add an inverted bodyslam lift into a powerbomb (or sitdown powerbomb).

 

Does sound that possible at first look, but I'll think on it

 

WTF is an Owen Driver?

Inverted Piledriver/K Driller

 

ME: Is it actually called an Owen Driver, or did we int his thread just adopt that name for it?

 

Vic Grimes' Back Iconoclasm/X-Factor combo

That isn't possible, just think how the two moves land.

 

ME: This would be possible. Grimes lifts him up for a powerbomb, and then flips him into a back inverted sitout powerbomb. He lands on his chest. Another guy could easily hit an X-Factor.

 

Shouldermount into Stunner

Well, we've have Powerbomb to Diamond Cutter before, this one is just as do ible.

 

ME: A shouldermount isn't a powerbomb hold. It's an electric chair drop hold, with the foe facing the same way as you.

 

Add these to my double-team list:

 

Sitout Front Suplex/Sitout Inverted Powerbomb combo

Fireman Carry into an Inverted DDT/Sitdown Powerbomb combo

Torture Rack into a DDT/Sitout Inverted Powerbomb combo

Vic Grimes' Back Iconoclasm/Flying Bulldog (ala Rick Steiner) combo

Flapjack into X-Factor (3-D w/ an X-Factor instead of Cutter)

Sitout Inverted Front Suplex/Sitdown Powerbomb combo

[Guest Dace59]

There's no such move as ahead plant. And a mat slam would be any move that slams the opp. to the mat.

 

This coming from someone that doesnt know what an Inverted Piledriver or a Gutwrench is.

 

No, Owen Driver isnt a real name. Just a gimmick one, but pretty widly used.

 

A shouldermount isn't a powerbomb hold. It's an electric chair drop hold, with the foe facing the same way as you

 

Duh, you think I dont know that. I was just point out another versiom, which has some similar part to it.

 

Sitout Front Suplex/Sitout Inverted Powerbomb combo

 

Reverse Suplex, not front suplex.

 

Flapjack into X-Factor (3-D w/ an X-Factor instead of Cutter)

Been done.

 

And Grimes' Iconoclasm is just one off his own shoulders. The opp lands back first, between his legs, head closest.

 

My stuff:

 

Inverted Fishermans Buster/Single Leg Powerbomb

Inverted Powerbomb Gut Buster

Millart Press to Firemans Carry Gut Buster (Not Malenkos Firemans Carry TO Gut Buster)

Dragon Ray to Deja Vu

[Guest Jonathan Barber]

Sitout Front Suplex/Sitout Inverted Powerbomb combo

 

Reverse Suplex, not front suplex.

 

ME: Or a sitout front suplex. You could do a sitout inverted powerbomb with either a sitout front suplex or a reverse suplex.

 

And Grimes' Iconoclasm is just one off his own shoulders. The opp lands back first, between his legs, head closest.

 

ME: No...it's not. Dude, w/ Grimes' Iconoclasm the opponent lands on his chest, not on his back. He also lands behind Grimes. He doesn't land with his head closest to Grimes. His a** is closest to Grimes.

 

My stuff:

 

Inverted Fishermans Buster/Single Leg Powerbomb

 

ME: An inverted Fishermanbuster (not Fishermans Buster) would begin as an inverted suplex w/ a single-leg cradle. You'd lift the guy over you and land him in an inverted ddt/suplex. It would have to be a single-leg inverted powerbomb, not a regular powerbomb, because the foe lands on their chest, not on their back (like in an inverted powerbomb).

Inverted Powerbomb Gut Buster

ME: That'd be cool.

Dragon Ray to Deja Vu

ME: Deja Vu? WTF?

I know what an inverted piledriver is and what a gutwrench is. I asked if Owen's Inverted Piledriver actually had a name. That's all. I know what an Inverted Piledriver is and what a gutwrench lift is.

 

Yes, a mat slam is a sitout face plant. You're not going to win this one. I've seen it called that in P.W.I., Wrestle America, by Stuart Max, Scott Keith, Dave Meltzer, and others.

[Guest Dace59]

A side powerbomb lift into a side powerbomb hold (dominator) into an inverted DDT.

 

That was you. You where talking about a gutwrench, but couldnt name it.

 

And the fact I gave the names for the Inverted Piledriver shows it has other names.

 

Yes, a mat slam is a sitout face plant. You're not going to win this one. I've seen it called that in P.W.I., Wrestle America, by Stuart Max, Scott Keith, Dave Meltzer, and others.

 

Yes I am.

None of those sources of moves. Infact, there is no written source for moves, apart from the dictionary.

 

Plant is not a wreslting term, neither is mat.

 

Front Suplex is not a wrestling term.

It's a Reverse suplex, becuase you reverse the motion. Pick up for suplex, fall forwards, on lands on front.

 

And Grimes' Iconoclasm is just one off his own shoulders. The opp lands back first, between his legs, head closest

 

That's not an Iconoclasm, that's a Back to Back Inverted Powerbomb.

 

An Inverted Fishermans Buster would land like El Samuri's Inverted Brainbuster, with the opps. head under the attackers arm, opp up in the air, then falling down onto their back, landing like they'd taken an ivnerted DDT.

 

So you could easly add the single leg powerbomb.

 

And you dont know what Dragon Kid's Deja Vu is?

It's his multiple Revolution Headscissors.

 

And learn to stop answering things in the damn qoutes.

 

But I do thank you for the kind effort to try to keep me on my toes. But I'm fine really.

And let's keep, this light hearted and friendly man.

[Guest IDrinkRatsMilk]

I'd like to see a double moonsault... might be pretty hard, but it seems possible. I've seen Sasuke do a moonsault and a half once... moonsault senton, I think they called it. And can anybody tell me, is it properly spelled senton or centon?

[Guest Dace59]

Double Moonsault has been done off a ladder.

 

Sasuke does a 450 moonsault/Moonsault Senton.

He never hits it, it's a transistion spot. I've seen back yarders hit it.

 

It's Senton and Centon. Just depends what part of the world you're in.

[Guest Jonathan Barber]

Yes I am.

None of those sources of moves. Infact, there is no written source for moves, apart from the dictionary.

 

"None of those sources of moves." That makes no sense. Well, I imagine that if a magazine that includes Bill Apter on its staff and has been around since the '70's and somebody who is a respected internet puroresu journalist says that it is a mat slam/sitout face plant, I imagine that it is.

 

Plant is not a wreslting term, neither is mat.

 

If there's no official source for moves, then how are you to say that. The popular amount of people and mags (what I named above) say that it is that, so it must be.

 

Front Suplex is not a wrestling term.

It's a Reverse suplex, becuase you reverse the motion. Pick up for suplex, fall forwards, on lands on front.

 

ME: If there's no official source for moves, how would you know it's not a term. I agree that it could be a reverse suplex, but it's generally referred to as a front suplex, whether it be by Gorilla Monsoon, Jim Ross, Stuart Max, Scott Keith (we don't like him, but he's respected), so therefore it can be called that.

 

And Grimes' Iconoclasm is just one off his own shoulders. The opp lands back first, between his legs, head closest

 

That's not an Iconoclasm, that's a Back to Back Inverted Powerbomb.

 

ME: You're right with this one, but it could in fact be called a powerbomb into an back sitdown iconcolasm. This is because he lifts them into a powerbomb, then drops them into an Outsider's Edge Crucifix, and then drops them into a back inverted sitdown powerbomb. An iconoclasm is a crucifix into an inverted Powerbomb. Therefore, Grimes' move could be deemed, "a powerbomb into a back sitdown iconoclasm (back sitdown inverted crucifix powerbomb)." I'm sorry that I forgot the "sitdown" in my description.

 

An Inverted Fishermans Buster would land like El Samuri's Inverted Brainbuster, with the opps. head under the attackers arm, opp up in the air, then falling down onto their back, landing like they'd taken an ivnerted DDT.

 

So you could easly add the single leg powerbomb.

 

ME: I do see what you're saying here. However, they could also bring them up and over enough so that the opponent lands on their chest. This would be more of an inverted facelock suplex, but it could be an inverted brainbuster because he lands on his head. So, it really could go both ways. I do see what you're saying, though.

 

And you dont know what Dragon Kid's Deja Vu is?

It's his multiple Revolution Headscissors.

 

ME: I am a Dragon Kid fan and do know most of the names of his moves, but I couldn't figure out what you were talking about. I thought about CZW Deja Vu, a recent show, and realized that couldn't be it, so I was mixed up.

[Guest Dace59]

I bet they didnt know Reverse from Inverted back in the 70's

 

I did say there's the dictionary. Using the dictionary defination of words.

 

WWF/E Anncouners could never call moves.

 

I see what you eman about Grimes' move now, and I get it.

 

With the inverted Fishermans Buster, you wouldnt suplex them over, you'd drop them on their head with you on your back, then they'd fall forwards to thei back. Sort of like an Inverted DDT, Or the lifting one like D-von.

 

Ok about the Dragon Kid think I should have named it up.

 

Nice arguements, I'll actually have to work at some answer.

 

But I have to go do college work and all now, and wont be back till tomorrow.

We'll continue this then.

It's good fun man.

And it's how you learn/stay sharp.

 

Later days.

[Guest Michael Joel Benoit]

I'd like to see a shooting star press or a frog splash done off a ladder.

[EL DANDY~! 0]

You would have seen the froggy off the ladder, but the ladder just HAD to break under RVD...fuckin bitch. IT would have been the finish, too.

 

Oh, and SKBF, check out the first WWA show...Juvi does a 450 off the ladder.