Matt Hardy was supposed to take out Rey

[Guest creativename]

Yes, Albert is not as good as Taker in his prime but remember, Albert weighs about 50 pounds more than Taker.

 

That's 50 pounds of fat( actually, he probably has 100 pounds more fat than Taker). Undertaker is far more intimidating looking and credible as a monster than Albert.

 

Plus the girls like it!

 

80% (at least, probably far more) of girls are repulsed by it. Do not presume to speak for everyone of your sex, especially on a point so easily refutable.

 

And you must remember, Albert is wrestling the way the company wants him to right now.  He probably has a bigger moveset but is limited in what he can/cannot do.

 

This is actually a valid point. WWE is terrible with how they handicap everyone's moveset. He could very well have many moves that we've never seen him do. And his no-selling is also probably what he's told to do. That's doesn't entirely excuse it, however. Brock Lesnar is no doubt told to no-sell most everything, but he sells 10x more than any other hoss I've seen (he over-sells frequently too). And he's a main eventer. Albert is a jobber.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

bps21: Any chance we could get a law passed on here saying that "Should patrons start compairing Sid and Albert as workers, the arguement must be ended immediately, since, most likely, it has lost all purpose"?

 

This the wrestling equivalent to asking whether Stallin or Hitler was the better humanitarian.

 

Back to the original topic, the way Matt has been treated since before Survivor Series says more about the WWE's plans for him than any report could. I mean, between getting squashed by Pig Slow, getting manhandled by Scotty, and getting tossed through a wall by Brock, I'd say his chances of being anything more than "The WWE's Stevie Richards" were all but lost.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

That pretty much sums it all up, Ricky. How depressing...

[Guest buffybeast]

Sid was NOT better than Albert by any stretch.

 

Sid was over and could be carried to good matches. Two things I have yet to see displayed by Albert.

 

Being over does not equate to workrate. Albert has had some good matches against Kane and some of his Jakked matches against Hugh Morris aka Bill Demott were good, too. I also liked a lot of his work when he was teamed with Test and Droz.

 

80% (at least, probably far more) of girls are repulsed by it. Do not presume to speak for everyone of your sex, especially on a point so easily refutable.

 

Oh Lord, my comment about Albert's sexiness was a joke. I've never met any woman who has ever found Albert sexy. Ever.

 

What did you like about these matches? I remember seeing them, but I never thought...."oh wow that was a good match"

 

Primarily I found the match entertaining on Kane's part. Kane did a wicked hurricanrana (sp?) on Albert which I was most impressed with. As for Albert, I primarily like his power moves and how for a big man he seems to move really well.

[Guest creativename]

Oh Lord, my comment about Albert's sexiness was a joke.  I've never met any woman who has ever found Albert sexy.  Ever.

My apologies. I knew that you were half joking, but thought you were half serious as well. It's good to know that you aren't completely delusional

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

It looked like Kane broke his neck trying that rana. Hell, I almost thought he did, as a matter of fact.

[Guest Anglesault]

I also liked a lot of his work when he was teamed with Test and Droz.

It's been stated by many people that Test is so worthless that he made Albert look good in that teaming.

[LaParkaYourCar]

I figured it was a joke.......that's why a threw the "only member of the minority" part in there. I almost didn't, but figured it would make it sound like I was serious.

 

I guess what it boils down to is Albert isn't over and most marks, while they get a kick out of chanting "shave your back", do not give a crap about him. Handled right or not. I think the fans have shown they'll cheer a guy they like regardless of whether or not the WWE handles them right. Although there are some who have been buried right out of the gate. Albert has been given many chances. Whether it be tag teams or even the IC title.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Actually, T & A was pretty decent team, but they never did anything with them, though.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Albert has been given many chances. Whether it be tag teams or even the IC title.

While I am certainly not advocating any Albert push at all, none of the teams he was in were given any sort of a chance at all because they all mainly jobbed like 85% of the time.

[Guest Anglesault]

I maitain that anytime Albert is the strong link of a tag team, (Ironically, in all but one of his teams, with Droz.) we have problems that need to be solved.

[Guest bob_barron]

I agree- I enjoyed T&A- they had chemistry as a team

[Guest RickyChosyu]

The only chemistry involved with T&A was the amount of T&A that Trish was showing off durring their matches. No one could be bothered to care about the two wrestlers in the ring.

[Guest LaParkaMarka]

Actually, I remember a few of the backstage skits T and A had. Some of them were amusing.

 

"I can't shave the hair...chicks dig the hair!"

 

You couldn't help but laugh at that.

They weren't exactly a great team, but they were decent midcard heels. Better than what either of them are doing now.

[Guest buffybeast]

Actually, I remember a few of the backstage skits T and A had. Some of them were amusing.

 

"I can't shave the hair...chicks dig the hair!"

 

You couldn't help but laugh at that.

They weren't exactly a great team, but they were decent midcard heels. Better than what either of them are doing now.

See, more than one chick digs his back hair.

 

I also liked Albert in X-Factor. That group could have gone some place, too.

[Guest spiny norman]

Okay, I don't mind Albert for the record. I agree with buffybeast, his matches with Kane were quite good (I think I remember people praising them at the time, actually).

 

And he should definitely be given a chance in the WWE, I think he could be okay given the chance.

 

But this isn't the right way to do it. Starting this feud out of nowhere is pretty bloody stupid. Plus Matt Hardy is over, now is the time to start pushing him! Argh, HATE YOU WWE!!

 

And what's wrong with back hair!?

[Guest bob_barron]

The only chemistry involved with T&A was the amount of T&A that Trish was showing off durring their matches. No one could be bothered to care about the two wrestlers in the ring.

I didn't mind them as a team. They worked well together, had chemistry in the ring and in the TAPA skits and were pretty harmless. They shouldn't have broken up

[Paul Stanley]

Sid was NOT better than Albert by any stretch. If anything they are comparable. Yes, Albert is not as good as Taker in his prime but remember, Albert weighs about 50 pounds more than Taker. And you must remember, Albert is wrestling the way the company wants him to right now. He probably has a bigger moveset but is limited in what he can/cannot do.

 

Sid Vicious will/always be better than Albert. See his WCW early 90s stuff, even though Sid didn't do any moves, he was a better worker than Albert..and that's saying alot.

 

I have reason to believe Terry Taylor is behind this.

 

Stephanie: We should do a Matt/Edge feud..it could go really well.

 

Terry: No! I'm tellin ya..push Albert! Trust me..i've been in ALOT of sucessful gimmicks Stephie, it's the right thing to do..team him up with our future signee Konnan and it's all set!

 

HHH: Listen to the man, i don't like that Matt kid anyway..i think he's stealing my heat

 

Stephanie: Okay, Terry. You got it.

[Guest Insane Bump Machine]

They could have had a match between V1 and Rey and have Rey "injure" his knee in a freak accident. Then Matt could, in true Mattitude fashion, brag about how he injured Rey all by himself and how great he is (even though he had nothing to do with it), which would upset Edge and we'd have another good feud, with all the Hardyz/E&C history to back it up.

 

This stuff books itself.

[Guest EricMM]

I also liked Albert in X-Factor. That group could have gone some place, too.

I never understood X-Factor. I didn't like them, and I don't understood how anyone could. AFAIK they just paired two or three of the wrestlers that people wanted to see LEAST in the ring for whatever reason.

 

I actually liked Albert in T-N-A. It's because he wore a shirt. I could try and appreciate his work rate. If he's just wearing trunks, I can't appreciate anything.

[Guest Ram]

I like Albert, but I don't think he should be pushed farther than the midcard. It seems they're either trying to push him to main event or upper midcard level. That or depush Edge.

[Guest eirejmcmahon]

At one stage, Matt was due to face off against Rey, so he was obviously going to injury Mysterio...got to love those 1wrestling guys.

 

I'm as outraged as the next person (well, not Buffybeast, obviously ) at Albert's push but come on guys, you should know better than to buy word one from Bob and crews mouths when it comes to the WWE.

[Guest JMFabiano524]

And it's this sort of nonsense that makes me glad that I've mostly missed WWE programming since SurSer. I can't say more about Raw that hasn't been said or is obvious, and Smackdown is sucking now with Big Show and Albert getting pushes and the Smackdown Six getting Tajiri/Super Crazy'ed.

 

And sadly, with my Wildside now cut off for almost a year, and TNA being Vinny Ru-ined (not to mention f*cking over the dead worse than anything in the Katie Vick angle), I feel like my interest in North American wrestling is plummeting to Kunze levels now. Sometimes I just wish the WWE would go out of business so I could remember what was largely a pleasant 16 years before this crap bastardized what used to be one of my favorite interests.

[Guest the pinjockey]

I'm as outraged as the next person (well, not Buffybeast, obviously ) at Albert's push but come on guys, you should know better than to buy word one from Bob and crews mouths when it comes to the WWE.

I would agree with you about not buying it unless you read the latest Matt Hardy commentary. He sounded like he was all set for a feud with Rey or Edge when it just got yanked from him.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Did Scherrer "break" this story? I've gotten enough "It Wasn't Heyman's Fault" stories from those morrons to know that most of the news concerning Heyman comes from a not-so unbiased source on the issue.

 

This is just the kind of "Paul didn't WANT to do it, Vince made him!" complaint that we've seen in the past and to try and keep the Super Genious from taking the blame for the angles that bomb.

[Guest webmasterofwrestlegame]

Well here is an interesting twist to this thread. Wade Keller just sent out his News & Views e-mail to Torch subscribers that said that Vince basically gave Albert the spot over Matt Hardy for the Rey Injury Angle as he wated to build Albert up as a challengable opponent for the Undertaker when he returns.

 

That is, the point of all this was to make Albert look to have the chance of beating The Undertaker when The Undertaker comes back soon.

 

Albert v Undertaker....feel the buyrate! And the pain...

[The Dames]

As believeable as it sounds, the only person that I truly don't find credible on the net (besides Ryder) is Keller.

 

Dames

[Guest CanadianChick]

Oh god, its the Big Show all over again. The similarities are all there. They are big. Big Show went from jobbing to Jeff hardy to being in main event. Albert went from velocity to upper-mid card and now possibly the main event. I hope this is a load of shit and not true.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Well here is an interesting twist to this thread. Wade Keller just sent out his News & Views e-mail to Torch subscribers that said that Vince basically gave Albert the spot over Matt Hardy for the Rey Injury Angle as he wated to build Albert up as a challengable opponent for the Undertaker when he returns.

 

That is, the point of all this was to make Albert look to have the chance of beating The Undertaker when The Undertaker comes back soon.

 

Albert v Undertaker....feel the buyrate! And the pain...

If that's the case then it still would have made sense had it been Matt Hardy with the whole "Matt has beaten the Undertaker 2 straight times" deal.

 

At any rate, I doubt Albert will win. He'll basically be Test from last August, maybe getting a pinfall in a tag match then losing on PPV. Question is, will this be before or after the Taker/Show feud? *shudder*

[Guest AndrewTS]

Well here is an interesting twist to this thread.  Wade Keller just sent out his News & Views e-mail to Torch subscribers that said that Vince basically gave Albert the spot over Matt Hardy for the Rey Injury Angle as he wated to build Albert up as a challengable opponent for the Undertaker when he returns.

 

That is, the point of all this was to make Albert look to have the chance of beating The Undertaker when The Undertaker comes back soon.

 

Albert v Undertaker....feel the buyrate!  And the pain...

If that's the case then it still would have made sense had it been Matt Hardy with the whole "Matt has beaten the Undertaker 2 straight times" deal.

 

At any rate, I doubt Albert will win. He'll basically be Test from last August, maybe getting a pinfall in a tag match then losing on PPV. Question is, will this be before or after the Taker/Show feud? *shudder*

Albert/Taker feud?

 

*Pukes*