Mark's shoveling of BS on the front page.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Why Not Albert?

 

People on the board seem to have this problem with Albert’s sudden push into a probable program with both Edge and Rey Mysterio. And while I don’t have a problem with fans not liking a wrestler, since I don’t care for a whole lot of them (I can safely say I won’t feel bad if Bill DeMott never wrestles again), it seems somewhat unfocused when its applied to Albert. Quite frankly, I still haven’t been able to get anyone to give me a comment beyond, “He sucks.” Which is a nice expression and all, but it just wasn’t quite what I was looking for when I asked the question. Honestly, what is so horrible about the wrestler known as Albert that pushing him is worthy of six multi-page threads on the subject? So, in a effort to foster some discussion and to be the devil’s avocado that I love to be, let’s bring up some of the reasons people might be using beyond ‘He sucks’ and have a little talk about them okay?

Okay. He sucks. His matches are slow and boring. He's disgusting looking. Gets no heat other than "shave your back." Oh, the discussion first. Right.

 

Albert is getting the push to upper middle card without any previous build.

 

By relegating Albert to Velocity duty for a few months, the WWE has basically thrown a person that has had trouble with Funaki in against the number two face on SmackDown! This is an improper way to build a person up who needs to have more credibility than he has in order to draw fans into a feud. WWE is quickly becoming notorious for doing this sort of thing, with the most notable beneficiary being WWE SmackDown Champion, The Big Show. And I could certainly see why this could be a bone of contention for the fanbase. To use a movie analogy, no one would want to see Greedo kill Luke Skywalker after he’s just killed The Emperor. It breaks into the flow of continuity that wrestling should always have. There always should be some sense of a bridge between the lower and upper card so that people can get a feel for who most deserves a victory or a loss. It then creates a greater sense of importance to upsets so that when they happen they actually make some sort of an impression. But when everyone but Funaki is playing on this even playing field, wins and losses lose a sense of meaning. Because in another three weeks, the guy who just won could just as easily loose to the same guy he just beat. And if people have this issue with Albert’s push, I cannot find logic in their reasoning. It would have had made far more sense to have Albert pick up some wins against the Rikishi’s of the world before getting this win against one of the standard bearers of the SmackDown! brand.

 

I've read this 3 times, and cannot tell what the hell he's saying. He seems to say things that support this point then says "I cannot find logic in their reasoning." I cannot find the logic in this paragraph to support that apparent refution.

 

Someone else, like Matt Hardy, should have gotten the spot

 

Ah yes, the argument that WWE is holding down someone who could have used the spot Albert got more effectively. The problem is that person doesn’t really exist. People can scream, “Matt Hardy!” all they want and say that he would have put in a better performance. But the fact is that Matt just pinned Rey Mysterio in a tag match last week and no one seemed to care. That should have been a big victory that got Matt over more than he is to both the smart and casual fans. But, instead, it just washed right over him and us with nary a thought. Whereas, Albert’s win created wave after wave after wave of shock through our minds to the point that we’re still discussing it. You cannot say that about Matt Hardy as much as you might want to do so, because the historical precedent of just last week says otherwise.

 

And because the WWE ignored it it somehow didn't go well? Pfft...

 

It was a big win, and we were waiting for something to happen to capitalize on it. However, Cena as Mattitude's apparent tag partner was shoved aside. Of course, so is Cena now in favor of B2.

 

And stuff like Katie Vick and Mabel's KotR win created shockwaves, and they are still fucking stupid ideas. This guy sounds like that jackass from WWE.com. Some one who marks and smarks alike think sucks beating some one they like is going to piss people off. And more importantly, Albert INJURING (in storylines) him was the big dead. There is no "historical precedent" since Matt did NOT injure him last week. Sheez...

 

And I love how he's putting more thought into this than Vince did when he decided on this. At least he's smarter than him.

 

Albert got the spot because he’s a Hoss and Vince loves the big people

 

I hate this line of thought. Because it depends on the idea, that because a wrestler is big, he cannot be actually worthy of a push. Where is that written in a holy manual? Blasting Albert because he is big is just as bad as saying Chris Jericho cannot draw because he’s too small. Both attitudes are ridiculous and out dated. Lots of larger men can put on a good match whether people want to admit or not. Is it going to be brimming over with quick counters and high flying action? No. But is Rey Mysterio penalized because he cannot throw a believable clothesline or lift someone up for an impressive powerbomb? Power wrestling is just as viable a style of working as any other, and should be suitably enjoyed when it is used well. Albert, as much as people may want to deny it, is pretty good at the power style of wrestling as it currently stands in the WWE promotion. He uses impressive throws that a smaller man could not, along with a reasonable degree of speed and selling, to put together entertaining contests when he’s allowed to do so. Albert’s problem is that he usually doesn’t get that chance. Given three minutes of match time on Velocity against Danny Doring is not going to make for five star classics. I don’t care who is the ring, it’s not going to happen. Anytime Albert has taken on a decent worker in a give and take contest, Albert has done well. That just hasn’t happened enough times for Albert to have an impressive resume of work at this point in time.

 

As bps said.."last good Albert match?"

 

And many of us, including me, have said that big/power wrestlers can put on good matches. However, Albert isn't one of them. Albert's not, at this time, the new Vader. I don't see him possibly doing so.

 

And why was Albert pushed? His massive heel heat? His great workrate? What? Hey, sure, Albert hasn't been given a lot of time in his matches. So, push him to SD to squash people there, that'll show off his skills, right?

 

Sucking marginally less than Mark Henry and Big Show shouldn't be grounds for any kind of push. I've yet to see any logic for this so-called refution, at all.

 

Albert doesn’t have the charisma to pull it off

 

Dude gets zero promo time; who knows how well he can do an interview? Matt Hardy ‘couldn’t talk’ for years before he got an infusion of Mattitude just a few months ago and now he won’t shut up. Who knows what the heck could happen if they actually let Albert talk for once about what his goals and aspirations actually are in an attempt to get him over. Using Michael Cole as a mouthpiece through his announcing is never going to get anyone heat. And, yeah, Albert is an ugly cuss with a poor sense of dress and grooming, but quite frankly, that’s a problem with WWE’s inability to package him appropriately. Going back to Albert’s T&A gear would result in an immediate improvement for his look.

 

Yeah, Albert's obviously brimming over with charisma, that's why he's hardly had any mic time his whole damn career. And if one remember when Matt occasionally would talk, he'd look like a complete ass. He's gotten more confortable with doing so with each and every week.

 

Until Albert proves his has charisma, I am to assume he has none. Just not assume he does because he's never shown it.

 

Remember one of the cardinal rules of the WWE, if it isn't on TV, it never happened.

 

What fine writers the site has...an entire column where he does nothing to prove wrong the claims the someone else has made.

 

Oh, and before this...

 

Why do wrestling fans on the board have such a problem with Edge anyway? Sure, his moveset is a gigantic pile of stink right now and his selling is spotty, but everyone in WWE with the possible exception of Chavo Guerrero Jr. seems to have that problem. So what makes Edge such a popular source of venom? My theory is that smart marks commonly have a favorite brand of wrestler. That prototypical wrestler is usually a) a heel and b) under 245 pounds. It doesn’t really matter what sort of matches you put together, as long as you fit under those criteria, the smirks will love you. How else can you explain John Cena’s surging popularity on the board since becoming a heel? He surely hasn’t pulled a match better than the one he had against Kurt Angle in his debut, yet all of a sudden, he’s an ‘up and comer’ after months of being ‘undeserving’ of a push.

 

I call certain fans ‘smirks’ because they always seem to be laughing at their own tired jokes about Triple H while demanding that WWE come up with something fresh and new... like pushing Chris Benoit. You know whom I am talking about, the people who add "–uh" to the end of every word and consider it high comedy. I’m so subtle and clever except... you know, not.

 

"Smirks." Oh, I am in stitches. I haven't done the HHH "uh" thing except on rare occasions, but there are far far better ways to mock HHH. Every week they give us new material. Just because the reasons for mocking him are old doesn't make the jokes so, too.

 

As for that favorite type of wrestler, keep in mind I hate Cena. However, at LEAST he has a character now. Not "Cena the vanilla rookie with RUTHLESS AGGRESSION!" I don't mind Orton as long as he isn't on TV putting on shitty matches. Keep in mind that Matt's ring work has improved since he's been in singles matches which makes for part of the praise.

 

Oh, and I don't mind Edge, personally. I'm an RVD fan, so I seriously cannot fault Edge for the same things that RVD is hated on for. However, RVD has a lot of support--thus refuting his point right there, since RVD's a face.

 

And anyone care to give examples of people who are heel and under 245 lbs and have a shitty workrate who gets praised? Fact is, by default those guys are going to be more agile, and easily to work with. Angle wants more of them to be hired. Why? Because they aren't fat, sloppy wrestlers who suck complete ass?

 

Oh well, love the board, like JHawk's recaps and such, but this column was just a wonderful, stinking pile that needed to be called attention to.

 

*Keeps searching*

 

Nope, don't see the logic--oh,there's a good point. The ladder matches in SYM suck. Something we can agree on.

[Guest AndrewTS]

For some reason the quote boxes aren't working on my post...hmm...

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Meh, this was the same person who downgraded the Benoit/Angle match at Unforgiven and thought that MOTN would be HHH/RVD. And look what happened.

 

You can't even begin to tell me that Cena's face act was better than his recent stuff. Don't even try.

 

RVD definitely ranks in the top 3 of wrestlers with the most support in this board. I don't think that can even be questioned. Kurt Angle is essentially a face as well and he probably has THE MOST support anywhere.

 

I know the Albert-Kane matches will be brought into question in this thread, but Kane isn't the only upper carder Albert has faced in his three years in WWF/E. There's a reason no one recalls Albert/Taker or Albert/Rhyno, which was in the same time period - it's because they weren't good. Oh, and zero promo time? He talked on Smackdown this week, and has cut in-ring promos on Velocity. If the B-shows are meaningless, say so. But to say that he never ever talks is ludicrous.

 

As a final note, I just want to say that I love the attention whore columnists.

[Guest the pinjockey]

"People can scream, “Matt Hardy!” all they want and say that he would have put in a better performance. But the fact is that Matt just pinned Rey Mysterio in a tag match last week and no one seemed to care. That should have been a big victory that got Matt over more than he is to both the smart and casual fans. But, instead, it just washed right over him and us with nary a thought"

 

This is the goddamn stupidest thing I have ever read. Lets look at what happened:

 

Matt Hardy beats Rey Mysterio - OK good start

not on TV rest of the show thats fine

 

Next week:

Albert injures Rey

Matt on Velocity how the fuck can you say that noone cared about his win when he was not on the fucking TV screen between the time he got his win and the time Albert got the spot.

 

This week:

Albert pushed

Matt on Velocity or not on at all (I didn't check)

So lets see here, to find out the reaction to Hardy's win you take him off of the show and claim that noone cared about the win.

 

Well, this is pretty much the worst article I have ever read.

 

"Albert’s win created wave after wave after wave of shock through our minds to the point that we’re still discussing it."

 

Yes those waves and waves of shock that have people discussing how they dont have to bother watching SD or Armageddon. Why didn't they push him before if he is going to send out shock waves like this? They need to do more things that send shock waves creating pissed off fans.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Matt's on Velocity? Whose he facing?

 

And yeah, precisely my point about that aspect.

 

Oh, and hasn't WWE trained us to think that when you have a tag match with no titles on the line, such as the countless tag match main events, the result does not mean a fucking thing. Triple H will gladly put over RVD or Booker in a tag match. A singles match? On Raw let alone a PPV?

 

Eh-eh! That just ain't gonna happen!!

 

However, it's obvious that the ones who didn't care about the win were simply the ones who matter, like Vince. Screw the fans.

[Guest the pinjockey]

This week Matt is on Velocity against an unknown jobber.

[Guest AndrewTS]

This week Matt is on Velocity against an unknown jobber.

And the WWE rewards system shows through again...

 

Oh well, at least Albert and B-2 won't be stinking up the show.

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

Yeah, because they'll be on Smackdown.

 

Anyway, anyone else find it odd that he can rip on Hugh Morrus while saying Albert is an acceptable wrestler?

[Guest AndrewTS]

Yeah, because they'll be on Smackdown.

 

Anyway, anyone else find it odd that he can rip on Hugh Morrus while saying Albert is an acceptable wrestler?

Sort of, but compared to everything else in the article, it seemed very minor.

 

Of course, Albert's getting the BIGGER push, while Demott's kinda getting a small one as a thanks for the TE training.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Bah, wish my columns would get this kind of reaction...

 

Maybe I should praise Undertaker or list the merits of having HHH being on the booking team...

 

 

[Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767]

Mmmm, so his column his BS just becuase you don't agree with it? Since this type of thinking on the board is prevailant, perhaps I should break out a swatiska and practice on my goosestep, heh fuhrer?

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

LOL!

[Guest the pinjockey]

Well, I assume this is going to move to NHB sooner rather than later now. Ho ho those hilarious Nazi references. Pointing out the fact that this article was retarded makes me a nazi, good arguement. Where in my post did I mention that I don't like Albert and don't think he should have the spot? Even though I don't like Albert I never mentioned that as a point in my post as to why the article was moronic.

 

This article was written based on points that have no merit. Saying no one cared about Matt Hardy's win when he was never on TV between the pin and the injury is asinine. And stating that Albert's push was "making waves" is equally as idiotic, pissing off fans may make waves but those waves push people away.

[Guest Anglesault]

It's BS because holes the size of a Mack Truck can be poked through his "Albert is deserving of a push" article.

[Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767]

Perhaps if you'd give some actual arguments instead of the "smark rhetoric" you seem to have memorized verbatim from a manual, I'd have no problem with your disagreement. But all you all do is say, "That guy doesn't like what we like! He sucks!"

 

Of course, if that was an article about the virtues of Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, and Kurt Angle with a side dish of HHHate and "-uh" jokes, you all would be virtually sucking his hairy johnson, with malice afterthought. Even if it was written at Tommy Fierro levels of illiteracy.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Mmmm, so his column his BS just becuase you don't agree with it? Since this type of thinking on the board is prevailant, perhaps I should break out a swatiska and practice on my goosestep, heh fuhrer?

No, it's BS because he makes an argument contrary to the prevailing opinion here, without a single coherent logical point to back himself up. Sort of like you.

 

Well, I'll give him the "decent selling" part. Other than that, I see nothing.

 

It's a bunch of hearsay and if's and maybe's. Maybe if Albert could cut a decent promo, have a string of good matches, and get over, this wouldn't be a total waste. However, right now it is since the push came BEFORE any of that happened.

 

This is how WWE rewards you. Wrestling better, getting over, created a cool persona that draws heat? TO VELOCITY YOU GO!!

 

Are you fat, out of shape, disgusting looking, and not over except for Bastion Booger heat? BIG PUSH!! Or in the Big Show's case, are you fat, out of shape, disgusting looking, not over and injured the former champ? HERE, CHAMPIONSHIP AND NEW MANAGER, NICE JOB CHAMP!!

[Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767]

Yes, you're entitled to your opinions, but it's how you state them. Mark stated his in a well written column. You state yours in a whiny, bitchy tone.

 

I learned this at work today, no one likes a whiner. There's a way to say something to get your point across without anally raping the corpse of the horse.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Perhaps if you'd give some actual arguments instead of the "smark rhetoric" you seem to have memorized verbatim from a manual, I'd have no problem with your disagreement. But all you all do is say, "That guy doesn't like what we like! He sucks!"

 

Of course, if that was an article about the virtues of Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, and Kurt Angle with a side dish of HHHate and "-uh" jokes, you all would be virtually sucking his hairy johnson, with malice afterthought. Even if it was written at Tommy Fierro levels of illiteracy.

 

I gave actual arguments. Did you read? Do you know how to read?

 

No, because it didn't prove anything. And I didn't need to memorize a fucking thing. It's right there in front of your TV screen on a weekly basis.

 

And "sucking hairy johnson?" Well, aren't you complimentary? And nice job of presenting your points.

 

Here's an ultimatum, in your language:

 

If you agree, give your stated points with logical backup, or SHUT THE FUCK UP you ignorant prick.

 

Thank you.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Let's see here

 

Point No. 1:

 

He comments no one cared about Matt Hardy's win.

He was not on TV between the win and the injury so how can you possibly say no one cared about his win.

 

Point No. 2:

Albert push is causing "waves"

These waves are pushing fans away

 

Please tell me how this is only "smark rhetoric".

[Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767]

*Yawn*

[Guest the pinjockey]

Thats it you win. I can't possibly beat that.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Yes, you're entitled to your opinions, but it's how you state them. Mark stated his in a well written column. You state yours in a whiny, bitchy tone.

 

I learned this at work today, no one likes a whiner. There's a way to say something to get your point across without anally raping the corpse of the horse.

No, Mark did not. He did it in a manner intentionally designed to piss off people, and he did it in a whiny fashion, while I pointed out the flaws in his logic. Other than the BS part, I was quite civil.

 

However, you are the one being whiny--and I ask, where are your points to back up your support of your arguments. I keep asking, I see nothing.

 

I see someone who has described us as cock suckers, and taking about beastiality. Wow, well done. 411wrestling would be glad to hire you if Scotsman weren't already filling that spot.

[Guest Anglesault]

*Yawn*

Okay. Now you give us your feelings on why Albert is worthy of a main even/semi main event push. Keep in mind, you must take into consideration the many, many Albert failures over the last two years.

[Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767]

It's a bunch of the usual smark rhetoric becuase you are making broad and general assumptions to push the tired old smark propaganda line. Opinions and generilizations/assumptions are polar opposites. Mark was stating his opinion on the Albert push while you and TS were ranting and raving about pushing fans away and how Vince decides to push wrestlers, which none of us have any idea about.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Actually he was the one making the assumption that noone cared about Matt Hardy's win. I was pointing out that there is no basis for that assumption while just looking at this board as a start there is a basis for Albert's push driving people away which I know for a fact because it pushed me away from SD.

[Guest AndrewTS]

It's a bunch of the usual smark rhetoric becuase you are making broad and general assumptions to push the tired old smark propaganda line. Opinions and generilizations/assumptions are polar opposites. Mark was stating his opinion on the Albert push while you and TS were ranting and raving about pushing fans away and how Vince decides to push wrestlers, which none of us have any idea about.

He was supposed to disprove all those theories. He didn't. He didn't even give OPINIONS on why they are wrong. He gave far-flung generalizations. Like "Albert MAY have good mic skills." Which he hasn't shown so that doesn't justify his push.

 

Or "Big men can put on decent matches, because good power wrestlers can put on good matches too." Which is true, and Vader is well liked because of that. Albert isn't a good man, and not anywhere near is good as him.

 

He's only slightly better than DeMott, which he HIMSELF disses in that very column.

[Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767]

AS, I'm not going to entertain you with a full debate as you have the tendency to cover your ears, or just scroll down in this case, when people attempt to debate or argue with you. However, I will say this. Albert has NEVER, I repeat, NEVER had a main event push before. Also, his "failures" were gimmicks and pushes (and I do use the term loosely) that were of lower-midcard to midcard caliber and were almost ended as soon as they started.

 

This is the first Albert push that the WWE seems serious about. This time there is no Invasion angle to get in the way. If Albert flops this time, it will be his own fault. But as of now, I personally feel that he can get over in a big way if the psuh isn't dropped and he puts forth some effort as he has been doing.

[Guest NYCTA Bus No. PA1767]

I will give you the fact that he assumed nobody cared about Matt Hardy's win (though I didn't). But, when we're talking of pushing fans away, we should be talking about people that matter, such as the casual crowd. Not smarks who threaten to boycott wrestling then only return the next week to offer their latest spin on a HHH conspiracy theory that they brainstormed while watching RAW.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I don't really understand this push. If you think about it, it will only hurt Albert in the long run. I don't like Albert, but I will give him a chance. But I don't see this push ending up successful. When you only give someone a 2 week push, fans won't care about them, unless they are super over, which Albert is not. If you are going to push someone, for the love of god, do it properly. Going from Velocity to upper-mid card won't work.

[Guest AndrewTS]

AS, I'm not going to entertain you with a full debate as you have the tendency to cover your ears, or just scroll down in this case, when people attempt to debate or argue with you. However, I will say this. Albert has NEVER, I repeat, NEVER had a main event push before. Also, his "failures" were gimmicks and pushes (and I do use the term loosely) that were of lower-midcard to midcard caliber and were almost ended as soon as they started.

 

This is the first Albert push that the WWE seems serious about. This time there is no Invasion angle to get in the way. If Albert flops this time, it will be his own fault. But as of now, I personally feel that he can get over in a big way if the psuh isn't dropped and he puts forth some effort as he has been doing.

Yeah, he didn't get a main event push before. Hey, if a guy can't get over as a MIDCARDER maybe he'd make a good main eventer, right?

 

Remember that this is the same Albert that was handed the Intercontinental Title, bombed with it, and Lance Storm got a huge pop (LANCE STORM mind you) for taking the title off of him.

 

So instead of trying a steady build, they yank him off Velocity and thrust him in the main event. Without an opportunity to prove he's any good, without an opportunity to get over. The fans still don't care, and in the long run, it's going to hurt Albert.

 

Buffy likes Albert, and although we goof on her, we accept that she's a fan of him. Even she admits he's not main event ready, and her and us alike wouldn't mind a minor push. However, there is none of this. It was a knee-jerk decision obviously, since Matt Hardy was booked to face Rey and not Albert.

 

At least it's better than the paper-napkin booking of Nitro.