Edge...

[Guest Anglesault]

I dislike this internet obsession with "burying" people on the mic. It's like you can't talk down to your opponent anymore, people want it to be all "you're a great competitor and I'll have to work hard to beat you" respect-type stuff. The fans view it for what it is: talking trash. If a football player or boxer talks trash before a game/fight and beats his opponent, is he now "burying" them? When HHH comes out and says "You arn't in my league" or some other egotistical garbage, the fans boo because they know he's talking trash to the other guy, they don't look down on him for it. Same thing with The Rock: him calling Mick Foley a "bag of monkey crap" didn't make the fans think less of Mick, it made them more excited for the eventual confrontation.

Because Edge went out there and said "You can't beat me, you suck. I'm so much better, you suck, you can't beat me" and then proceded to prove himself RIGHT! How does that help Edge? he beat someone that Edge himself said is a worthless piece of shit. How does it help the opponent? Edge said he wasn't good enough, AND THEN PROVED IT.

[Guest TheyCallMeMark]

Ok, let me tackle a couple of points:

 

As for Edge not going for the spear just because his shoulder was hurt... umm take a look around ladies and gentlemen. He always wins with the spear, right? What is so unreasonable about hurting yourself to get the pin? It's not as if having a hurt shoulder DISABLES him from doing the spear, it would just make it hurt. And clearly, self-sacraficing moves win alot of matches, and are often considered "great" moves that really push the psychology of the match. "He would do anything to win!" Rey, RVD, Eddy, Benoit and Angle all have big top rope maneavures that hurt them nearly as much as the opponent, and I have never heard ONE of you complain about their moves. The answer to why they do the move even though it would hurt is IT IS GOING TO WIN THEM THE MATCH. Same thing with the spear.

 

The other one is the fact his selling is inconsistent. So fucking what? It's not like he has to go out there and throw down Kawada-caliber shit in a match against Albert, is it? I mean no one could have saved that match by selling. He did the SMART thing, and salvaged that match in the best way he could, which was by giving the crowd something to cheer about. His selling in big matches is fine and dandy, look at the PPV's and SD! main events. I hardly see alot of places you can fault him. You guys are just looking as hard as you can to find his mistakes, while you don those wonderful Workrate-Coloured glasses to see Kurt Angle.

 

As for burying people on the mike, don't blame Edge. It's the WRITERS call, not his. Besides it's been six damn months since he's ever buried anyone in a promo, and I can't say the same about Captain Angle over there, who consistantly slams all of his opponents on the mike. But once again, it's not his call, it's the writers, so I don't blame him. Nor do I blame Edge.

 

I'm not asking for a miracle here, people. I just would like to see a little consitancy in your opinions. I find it ironic that Anglesault, one of the more staunch Angle supporters, is always the one who is sensible about Angle's work.

[Guest Downhome]

Ok, let me tackle a couple of points:

 

As for Edge not going for the spear just because his shoulder was hurt... umm take a look around ladies and gentlemen. He always wins with the spear, right? What is so unreasonable about hurting yourself to get the pin? It's not as if having a hurt shoulder DISABLES him from doing the spear, it would just make it hurt. And clearly, self-sacraficing moves win alot of matches, and are often considered "great" moves that really push the psychology of the match. "He would do anything to win!" Rey, RVD, Eddy, Benoit and Angle all have big top rope maneavures that hurt them nearly as much as the opponent, and I have never heard ONE of you complain about their moves. The answer to why they do the move even though it would hurt is IT IS GOING TO WIN THEM THE MATCH. Same thing with the spear.

 

The other one is the fact his selling is inconsistent. So fucking what? It's not like he has to go out there and throw down Kawada-caliber shit in a match against Albert, is it? I mean no one could have saved that match by selling. He did the SMART thing, and salvaged that match in the best way he could, which was by giving the crowd something to cheer about. His selling in big matches is fine and dandy, look at the PPV's and SD! main events. I hardly see alot of places you can fault him. You guys are just looking as hard as you can to find his mistakes, while you don those wonderful Workrate-Coloured glasses to see Kurt Angle.

 

As for burying people on the mike, don't blame Edge. It's the WRITERS call, not his. Besides it's been six damn months since he's ever buried anyone in a promo, and I can't say the same about Captain Angle over there, who consistantly slams all of his opponents on the mike. But once again, it's not his call, it's the writers, so I don't blame him. Nor do I blame Edge.

 

I'm not asking for a miracle here, people. I just would like to see a little consitancy in your opinions. I find it ironic that Anglesault, one of the more sensible Angle supporters, is always the one who is sensible about Angle's work.

Do you people just block out what happened in that match? It's ok to do the Spear, it's expected for him to do it. But to do so after his shoulder was being "dismantled", and not show any pain at all, and instead just pin like he was never under any pain at all, and nosell the entire match, it's uncalled for, period.

 

I've already said what SHOULD have happened, and I'll say it again here...

 

If one's shoulder is worked over the way it was played up in that match, there would be no way in hell that someone would be able to do the Spear (shown to the fans as a very high impact and powerful move), and be able to simply make the pin afterwords showing no sign of pain or whatnot at all. Had the match ending differently, I'd be ok with him DOING the Spear. Had he done the Spear, and then fell back in pain holding his shoulder, that would have been awesome. They could say that he used all that he had in him to break out his "big move", but just didn't have enough to make the cover or to hook the leg. The match could have continued for a few moments, and he could have finished it with something that wouldn't have used the sholder to end the match, some other type of ending. After the match he could have held his shoulder in pain, making Edge not only look that much better because he "overcame" the injury and pain, but gave his oppenent a nice rub, because he "really took it to him", and his moves really hurt Edge.

 

Edge simply dismissed the entire story of the match with the ending that happened, that is why we are all so down on that match.

 

...I'm ready to quit talking about this, but as long as anyone tries to dismiss it as nothing, I'll be here to dispute it. It was ok for him to do it, but NOT in the way that it was done, it ruined the match, he no sold the entire thing.

 

The other one is the fact his selling is inconsistent. So fucking what? It's not like he has to go out there and throw down Kawada-caliber shit in a match against Albert, is it? I mean no one could have saved that match by selling. He did the SMART thing, and salvaged that match in the best way he could, which was by giving the crowd something to cheer about.

 

For once, Albert was actually obviosly TRYING in that match, he was trying to use psychology and submissions, and Edge would have no part of it. He, once again, totally dismissed all that Albert was trying to do to make it a better match, and to say that Edge did the smart thing by no selling the work of someone else, is simply insane. He would have made the crowd cheer even MORE by making it look like Albert was a real threat, and really hurting him, making it that much more of a pop when Edge pulled out the "big victory".

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I dislike this internet obsession with "burying" people on the mic. It's like you can't talk down to your opponent anymore, people want it to be all "you're a great competitor and I'll have to work hard to beat you" respect-type stuff. The fans view it for what it is: talking trash. If a football player or boxer talks trash before a game/fight and beats his opponent, is he now "burying" them? When HHH comes out and says "You arn't in my league" or some other egotistical garbage, the fans boo because they know he's talking trash to the other guy, they don't look down on him for it. Same thing with The Rock: him calling Mick Foley a "bag of monkey crap" didn't make the fans think less of Mick, it made them more excited for the eventual confrontation.

Because Edge went out there and said "You can't beat me, you suck. I'm so much better, you suck, you can't beat me" and then proceded to prove himself RIGHT! How does that help Edge? he beat someone that Edge himself said is a worthless piece of shit. How does it help the opponent? Edge said he wasn't good enough, AND THEN PROVED IT.

Angle did the same thing with the whole Rey Mysterio feud.

 

To be quite frank, I haven't heard an Edge promo/interview in months where he demeaned his opponent to where it supposedly "damaged his heat", so all this backtracking and talking about crap from six months ago is pretty much useless aside from talking about actual matches. And even then, his promos on Angle from back then did nothing to hurt Kurt's overness because the man was still getting booed out of the building abck then.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Do you people just block out what happened in that match? It's ok to do the Spear, it's expected for him to do it. But to do so after his shoulder was being "dismantled", and not show any pain at all, and instead just pin like he was never under any pain at all, and nosell the entire match, it's uncalled for, period.

So he couldn't use the foward momentum of the move to get the pinfall? As it was, he literally fell on top of Guerrero after doing the move.

 

 

For once, Albert was actually obviosly TRYING in that match, he was trying to use psychology and submissions, and Edge would have no part of it. He, once again, totally dismissed all that Albert was trying to do to make it a better match, and to say that Edge did the smart thing by no selling the work of someone else, is simply insane. He would have made the crowd cheer even MORE by making it look like Albert was a real threat, and really hurting him, making it that much more of a pop when Edge pulled out the "big victory".

Oh come ON... Albert himself has no grasp of psychology or how to use submissions properly in the first place, so how the hell could he make it a better match? I watched that match and all I saw was Albert doing something pedestrian to the leg, start on his usual, boring ass power stuff, Edge would mount a comeback, Albert hits the leg, rinse and repeat.

 

Bottom line, I'm not calling Edge a "great" worker, never have and never will, but using a match where the heel doesn't know how to build a match to discredit Edge is garbage.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Edge has only occasionally cut backstage promos for quite a while. They sucked, but they weren't like the ones that he cut on Angle or Rey.

 

So I think that point about him can be dismissed right now, since apparently he learned from it and stopped doing it.

 

His mic work still blows, however.