Idea for a New member of Team Angle

[Guest Gimmick Poster.com]

*Continues arguing with brick wall*

[Guest AndrewTS]

"Gooooooooldberg...Gooooooooldberg" chants are not "getting over."

 

And before that, he was getting a reaction when matches needed to be stopped, and he was no-selling chair-shots. That stuff was killed, and he needed Paul to help him win nearly every match, so the fans didn't give a shit about a so-called monster heel who needed a fat, balding manager to beat nearly everyone.

 

Although, I have no major interest in Rhyno. When used correctly in a program, yeah, but not really otherwise. I can't confirm or deny the heat he was getting since I don't remember.

 

However, the Heyman's thug role is probably the best one for him in my opinion, as long as it doesn't mean he'll be a main eventer.

[Guest Gimmick Poster.com]

Heyman is only working with Main Eventers. See the quick removal of Train, A- from the family. He was perfect for the thug role. It involved little to no wrestling except for maybe or squash or no contest ending, but he was ME so off he went. Now, we want Rhy-"I have the same finishing move is the bosses son"-no to come and pick up the pieces? No way! Team Angle is fine the way it is.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Like I said, Rhyno had fans chanting "Goldberg" in his matches too. He was just as over-pushed and exposed in ECW as Brock was in the WWE.

 

However, Brock is now very over, and despite the rocky start, I'd say he's over enough now to be considered an asset to the WWE. Rhyno, too, can be an asset, as long as he isn't over-exposed in the WWE.

 

The arguement over who's better is indeed pointless, because neither one is worth much from a work-rate stand point.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

I have no problems with big show as the 'enforcer'. He has other people to do the wrestling.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Then no, I wouldn't want him in in that case.

 

And maybe by "fun" he meant "not knowing the result of the match with 99% certainty without even seeing spoilers."

 

Face Brock now is just an Aryan Goldberg with a little bit of hair, a head shaped like a bucket, a babyish face, and different moves.

 

And Goldberg became a huge star, I guess, but his matches sucked and the results were usually a foregone conclusion. I'd think Vince would strive to do better than copy WCW's old ideas that once were successful.

 

*remembers nWo revival*

 

Oh yeah, I'd be wrong about that.

[Guest AndrewTS]

The arguement over who's better is indeed pointless, because neither one is worth much from a work-rate stand point.

Absolutely correct.

[Guest AndrewTS]

I have no problems with big show as the 'enforcer'. He has other people to do the wrestling.

Apparently they wanted another one though, hence the A-Train push in the first place.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I'm just glad that the A-Train has been derailed.

[Guest Gimmick Poster.com]

*Sigh* I was on that train.

 

The NWO revival sucked because the babyfaces (well Austin anyway) got the upper hand three days into the angle. I wasn't looking for year long dominance here, but geez, can you give these guys a chance to "poison" the WWE?

 

Say what you want about all the Vince screwed Austin theories and such, but Austin had his way with the NWO from the moment they came into the WWE up until he walked out. He embarrased Hall and Nash on numerous occasions, then defeated Big Show and Ric Flair in a handicap match before walking out after being asked to job to Lesnar. He should have just said, "He wasn't feeling it." It worked for Taker.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

You can still catch that train....

 

....every Saturday night on the new TNN!

[Guest Gimmick Poster.com]

Looks like his train is going to have Maximum Velocity!

 

 

*Rimshot*

 

I'll be here all week.

[Guest NoCalMike]

I don't want Rhyno on RAW where everything besides Triple H/Steiner is being booked as not important.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Anglesault, Rhyno has used the bearhug on numerous occasions. Ergo, according to you he should irredeemably suck. Brock's matches are fun because seeing a guy that size bump like a freak for people half his size while pulling off awesome offense is fun. He's got good in-ring charisma, similar to Benoit in that once in-ring you get the vibe that both are dedicated to completely dismantling their opponents and generally fucking shit up in a serious way. Brock's timing and pacing are good, he seems to know when to hit his big wow spots. Being able to dish out and take brutally hard chair shots doesn't hurt his cause either.

[Guest Anglesault]

Anglesault, Rhyno has used the bearhug on numerous occasions

 

Maybe I haven't made this clear.

 

Bearhug= Okay for short amounts of time. Really, there needs to be significant rib work before that. It shouldn't be used AS the rib work.

 

Bearhug= Not okay for several minutes and laying down.

 

It's not an exciting move. It's a rest hold. It's just plain stupid to hold that move for as long as he does.

 

He destroyed a match with it. (Cena) And luckily, he hasn't tried the 4 minute bearhug on TV since. (He still does it at house shows, for God knows what reason.)

 

 

 

He's got good in-ring charisma, similar to Benoit

 

Didn't buy "in-ring charisma" as an excuse for lack of charisma with Benoit, certainly won't with Brock. Everyone in the frigging company goes in there and looks like they are going to beat the shit out of someone.

[Guest Rob Edwards]

Rookies make mistakes, I also doubt Brock had any choice as to whether he used the bearhug or not, Vince wants to build him up as strong and bearhugs like it or not (I don't ) have always been used by stronger wrestlers (Henry, Andre, Warrior) having a pop at him because of that is like haviung a pop at Angle because the pop up superplex draws a good pop BUT it's not realistic in the context of a match

[Guest Anglesault]

The pop up superplex doesn't drag the match to a screeching halt. A four minute bearhug laying down most certainly does. You lose fan interest in this. Vince wants him to put over the beahug, fine. But at some point you have to use your own discretion.

[Guest Anglesault]

And I think he's learned his lesson after that match. He hasn't tried it that bad again on TV. So yeah, he shows some improvement by figuring out what doesn't work.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Lesnar is over now...because of Heyman's role being played so well. I like Lesnar as a wrestler, but he's still only a rookie. He's not been a year in the business, so he's not going to be as good as most guys. He was pushed a little too early.

 

I also like Rhyno. In the right gimmick, he can work good matches. In WWE he didn't work as well...ECW though, he was much better. ECW he could let loose a little more, and he had more than one finisher. Trouble is, WWE are never gonna let him hit a Piledriver, let alone one through a table.

 

The reason Rhyno's going to better than Lesnar is...Rhyno can talk better. Vince will push talented talkers over talented guys like Lesnar, who's interviews aren't that good. Hell, if Benoit could cut a good promo, he would have been champion about 2000. And Rhyno's apparantely been getting 'acting lessons' according to JR whilst he's been injured...so, he should be that bit more good on the mic.

 

 

Lesnar vs Rhyno would be brutal if they booked it as brutal. But Rhyno isn't a Team Angle type guy. Rhyno would be better of on Raw, cause they need a decent main eventer, and he could fill that spot eventually. Like Angle said on Smackdown, Team Angle is all about that middle 'W'- Wrestling. Rhyno isn't a 'wrestler'. He doesn't use submissions, he uses high impact moves. If it was billed as him being part of 'Team Heyman', then sure...but not 'Team Angle'.

 

 

Getting back on subject...which someone needs to do...Angle needs a shoot style wrestler, a submission wrestler. Someone like that. If they hadn't already debuted Guido as Nunzio, he might be able to fit in. Hell, he could work better as a shoot style wrestler learning from Angle than being squashed by DeMott. Plus, Heyman likes Guido.

 

But, they can't use him now. If they wanted to...they could bring in Low Ki. He'd get over with the fans cause of his exciting matches, and he'd fit in with Team Angle's wrestling. But, he'd be squashed by Lesnar. You can't really have a 180lb guy fight a 290lb guy and look convincing...not if you're WWE.

 

So, how about they cash in on the UFC's recent success/little more success than usual, and bring back Ken Shamrock. Hell, the fans know who he is...he knows his way around the ring...he can WRESTLE...He'd look right in a red white and blue singlet...he seems like my choice.

[Guest Anglesault]

Keep Ken "Hold My Hand, Shawn" Shamrock away from the mains and especially Kurt.

[Guest Brian]

Shamrock doing shoot style to someone who can provide a body of the match could be fun.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Yeah, and who else could they get who'd be believable, and still get the good reaction from the crowd?

[Guest converge241]

I wouldnt mind it

 

they have history in team RECK

 

Rhyno was getting over with the crowd, so a face turn seems more in the works

[Guest Anglesault]

Yeah, and who else could they get who'd be believable, and still get the good reaction from the crowd?

ANYONE. Because I will be PISSED if this turns into a half assed midcard anklelock feud down the road.

[King Cucaracha 0]

OK then AS, what's wrong with...Low Ki being part of Team Angle?

[Guest Brian]

This is just my opinion, but it's going to be tough to get over two, let alone three new guys using the same gimmick. And Ki doesn't have that amateur background fit nor the size to fit the role of being somewhat of a threat to Brock.

[Guest AndrewTS]

He (Brock) was pushed a little too early.

No s***.

[Guest Anglesault]

OK then AS, what's wrong with...Low Ki being part of Team Angle?

No problem. I just don't know who he is, so I have no opinion. Rather have a guy the fans know, though.