Whats wrong with RVD?

[Guest TheCynicalHateMongerFromHell]

In ECW, RVD was the most entertaining person to watch. At the beginning of his WWE tenure, RVD was the most exciting person to watch. Sure he isn't exactly a 'wrestler' but as far as being entertaining, he filled the quota. But ever since his feud with Guerrero, something is missing. Is he lacking the confidence he had in ECW? Is he being told to tone down his heelish ECW cock persona that got him over during the Invasion? Has he become too timid in the ring, afraid of 'potatoing' his colleagues? Has he just been told to tone down his act completely? Or is it a lack of opponants? I can't quite put my finger on it, but its disappointing that someone who HONESTLY used to make buying a PPV worth your hard earned money crumble before our eyes. Anyway, leave your suggestions here. He is struggling big time, maybe he just needs a fresh heel turn.

[Guest crandamaniac]

Maybe it's just lack of motivation. I remember reading in a ton of places how RVD didn't want to go to the WWE (Back when he was in ECW) because of the fact that they would severly limit him style and time wise for his matches. Now that's he's there, he probably has grown tired of having a 2 minute match on Raw, and only being able to bust loose on the PPV. That's just a theory tho.

[Guest Brian]

Pissed because he can't light it up pre-match?

[cawthon777 0]

You know when I feel RVD's downturn began? Back in September when he was working with Triple H. Before then it was Chris Benoit and ladder matches with Eddie Guerrero.

 

...Thought that was interesting.

[Guest oldschoolwrestling]

Being mixed up with Kane has been the kiss of death for many a wrestler.

[Guest edotherocket]

Motivation.

 

Scott Steiner is more likely to be a champion than he is. And that must REALLY suck. His performance in the ring or reaction from the crowd doesn't reflect his standing at all.

 

WWE has no upward mobility. Hence no reason to care about your work.

[Guest Shanghai Kid]

I haven't thought of RVD as entertaining since a little bit after his ppv match with Golddust. His ECW personality, which was so entertaining, was just dropped altogether. Instead of being cocky, he became stupid. Once he dropped his personality, I started noticing how bad his wrestling was, how his moves were repetitive, and how he just didn't seem motivated at all.

 

Teaming up with Kane was a huge death wish. He's in desperate need of a heel turn right now. His wrestling in ECW wasn't that great, but he had the charisma and personality to make up for it, now he's just like any other wrestler with repetitive moves and horrible mic skills.

[Guest Brian]

Ehh, RVD always been a guy who's not concerned with that stuff. I doubt it's about a push, sinece he never got the world title in ECW.

[Guest TheCynicalHateMongerFromHell]

Pissed because he can't light it up pre-match?

Considering marijuana isn't much of a big deal, maybe he should go back to that if it makes him compete better. It'll be legal in 2 years anyway.

[EL DANDY~! 0]

Everyone says motivation...well, he hasn't exactly been given a reason to be motivated lately, you know? He's been passed over so many time that I don't even think HE knows what to do with himself. If he gets a reason to wrestle at a higher level than he's currently wrestling at, then he'll be at the top of the game once again, but I don't see that happening soon.

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

Being mixed up with Kane has been the kiss of death for many a wrestler.

Boy, if that ain't just the truth dude.

[Guest Will Scarlet]

I would say motivation as well. Is there anything for RVD to be excited about? I cannot see anyone would be too motivated curtain jerking Raw in 2 minute matches against 3MW.

 

RVD is seemingly stuck in limbo. He can't move up the card for whatever reason of the day the WWE thinks up, but he's too over to truly bury on Heat, so he's just there. When getting hugely over and working hard gets you nothing, while doing nothing gets you pushed, then why try?

[Guest oldschoolwrestling]

but he's too over to truly bury on Heat

Los Guerreros keep showing up on Velocity...

[Guest Angle-plex]

It's his personality. I think even hardcore ECW/RVD marks will agree that he's not the best wrestler, but he was always fun to watch because of his cocky personality. Now he is just Kane's tag partner, who always gets his ass kicked until Kane makes the save for him.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Balls to motivation, the guy's routine is just simply stale as hell. He has no longer anything left to offer. There is no difference in his character, its just that his act is now being exposed as the one-dimensional bore that it really is.

[Guest Angle-plex]

Balls to motivation, the guy's routine is just simply stale as hell. He has no longer anything left to offer. There is no difference in his character, its just that his act is now being exposed as the one-dimensional bore that it really is.

Yeah I'm going to assume you never watched ECW.

[Guest edotherocket]

The length of his matches and tagging with Kane is probably an issue too.

 

For some wrestlers, they're happy simply doing just that: wrestling. Chris Benoit immediately springs to mind. I think Rob Van Dam wrestles for the love of showboating to the crowd and hearing them pop for his flippy stuff and he can't really do that in 3 minute curtain jerkers or playing face-in-peril tagging with Kane.

[Guest Angle-plex]

RVD would be better off in TNA.

[Guest Will Scarlet]

Los Guerreros keep showing up on Velocity...

 

Yeah, but they seem to be wanting to do something more with Velocity as of late. I have noticed the past three weeks they have had PPV rematches in the main event spot of Velocity, and last week they had a pretty good Noble-Kidman match. Being a huge Velocity mark, I can't complain even if it seems a bit odd that they want to use the show as something more than just filler.

[Guest wwF1587]

if i knew that i was on RAW... a show where its there is no HHHope... and getting at the top only means jobbing to GOD himself.. I wouldnt be motivated either... sounds like WCW... unmovitated guys...BAH! May you burn in hell Hemsley

[Guest treble charged]

His character's stale and there's nowhere for him to go. Another HHH feud is pointless and the only other top heel on Raw is Jericho, who's tied up with HBK. Maybe post-Mania they can start feuding, as it could be entertaining.

 

I think mostly, though, it's a case of too much, too soon. He got over when he first showed up in the WWF so they didn't have a choice but to push him hard and fast, and after No Mercy 2001, there wasn't really a lot left for him to do.

 

I think that he would benefit from being on SmackDown, though, if mostly just because Heyman seems to know how to book him properly. However, if Heyman's ideas included reverting his matches back to what they were like in ECW, which was 2 minutes of spots, 5 minutes of stalling, then I think he's fine where he is.

[Guest nikowwf]

RVD would be better off in TNA.

i hate when people say that...why would anyone who is highly paid in WWE be better off getting 3k a week at most from TNA? because...they'd get a fake belt? fake belts don't pay the mortgage....hell, fake belts won't even pay for his week...

 

niko

[Guest Downhome]

I'm growing tired of him for a number of reasons. For one, it's obvious he's never going to be a serious threat, ever, to the World Title. I've never thought he REALLY would be, but now I'm basicly certain. He may win it sometime, but he will not keep it for long at all and he will deffiantly not be the main guy on the show, if you know what I mean. He'll never be a serious World Champion certerpiece, I think it's obvious now.

 

I'm actually growing tired of his routine in the ring. Sure I love watching him, but it's just getting old to me. It might be because he isn't in matches that are very long at all anymore, it may be because he's been tagging lately, but I am growing tired of his routine. Maybe a feud with a Jericho or someone could take care of this, but I'm not really sure.

 

As of now, I'm more interested in guys like Booker T, Chris Jericho, and others like those guys in getting "the big push". They are just better all around better performers, they are more of a "total package" than RVD is.

 

Oh yeah, a heel turn would do WONDERS for RVD also, especially if he could someone get put on Smackdown, and have Heyman mannage him.

[Guest oldschoolwrestling]

Does anyone think a serious heel change would help?

 

Come out saying he is tired of being laid back and waiting for a title shot that isn't coming. Get rid of the sporty tights, the pony tail and become an ass-kicker. Cut some pissed off promos where he actually sounds like he cares. Could this work?

[Guest Angle-plex]

RVD would be better off in TNA.

i hate when people say that...why would anyone who is highly paid in WWE be better off getting 3k a week at most from TNA? because...they'd get a fake belt? fake belts don't pay the mortgage....hell, fake belts won't even pay for his week...

 

niko

You're right. I should have said "I would rather see RVD in TNA".

 

After Mania, I think an RVD/Edge trade would be good for BOTH guys. Edge seems to have little direction right now, and he could go to RAW to feud with Trips over the title. RVD could feud with Team Angle or something.

[Guest ManKinnd]

I say bring in Jerry Lynn and have him wrestle RVD on every Raw for 10 minutes.

[Guest Downhome]

RVD would be better off in TNA.

i hate when people say that...why would anyone who is highly paid in WWE be better off getting 3k a week at most from TNA? because...they'd get a fake belt? fake belts don't pay the mortgage....hell, fake belts won't even pay for his week...

 

niko

You're right. I should have said "I would rather see RVD in TNA".

 

After Mania, I think an RVD/Edge trade would be good for BOTH guys. Edge seems to have little direction right now, and he could go to RAW to feud with Trips over the title. RVD could feud with Team Angle or something.

Well actually, his being in TNA COULD be a good thing, if the stars were all aligned just perfectly. If he went there, he WOULD become an instant major player either as a heel or face. They would really build the guy up, and in their own way, make a SUPERSTAR out of him. Perhaps if he was to go there, and prove to WWE that he has the true ability to be a major player, they would then re-sign him, and go from there and finally use him.

[Guest Downhome]

I say bring in Jerry Lynn and have him wrestle RVD on every Raw for 10 minutes.

I second that notion, and I would never complain about it. I loved their matches with one another, even the one they had on Heat...

 

...on HEAT!

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Even if RVD is un-motivated because backstage politics. Don't you think the fans deserve RVD at his very best. I agree RVD has been but in bad situations teaming with Kane, short matches but he just seems to be going through the motions more often than not. Jericho was the same way last summer, before he signed his extension. Today he's the best person on Raw, and seems to make extra effort to entertain the audience.

[Guest Downhome]

Even if RVD is un-motivated because backstage politics. Don't you think the fans deserve RVD at his very best. I agree RVD has been but in bad situations teaming with Kane, short matches but he just seems to be going through the motions more often than not. Jericho was the same way last summer, before he signed his extension. Today he's the best person on Raw, and seems to make extra effort to entertain the audience.

I never agree with the un-motivated excuse, for ANYONE. I think it's pure bullshit actually. If anything, he should be trying harder right now than he EVER has, to be as great as he can be. He should be trying to make his programs be the best thing on the show, just by doing his thing, and thus DEMANDING to be noticed, and respected.

 

Remember when Dusty Rhodes came over to WWF way back when, and WWF apparently put him in a shitty gimmick and storylines just to make him look like a moron? Well, it sure as heel didn't work, because Dusty MADE it entertaining, and he MADE the people begin to love him.

 

That's what RVD should be doing, there is never an excuse for not being motivated. If he's the Champion, he'd obviously have a reason for being motivated, and right now, he has a reason to be motivated more than ever. He should be FORCING WWE to notice him, and trying his best to keep his fan support from slacking off. I don't think Kane is a career killer, it's simply shows who begin to slack off when in programs with him, and other sucky programs, who should be blamed. They should take what they are given, and make it work, MAKE it work. Just like in real life, in wrestling, I feel that when you are on the downside of everything, it should make you work harder to reach the top, but hey, that's just my line of thinking.