Guest Mad Dog Report post Posted March 20, 2003 They're saying some of the Iraqi forces might even fight WITH us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Reports say 30,000 Kurdish troops are joining Coalition forces in Northern Iraq. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Uhm, guys? Where are you hearing this? Hoping they fight with us is what everyone HOPES will happen, usually doesn't. Oil wells on fire in S. Iraq. ooops! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted March 20, 2003 I heard it from FoxNews. I should point out that I haven't heard if the Kurds agreed, or if they've only been asked. Sheppard Smith has the tendancy to make assumptions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Shepard "Tha Tool" Smith just reported that it really WAS Sadam on TV last night. The only question was when the tape was made. Most likely it was done prior to the bombing. Sky News British commando units have made (and are making) amphibious raids on the Al Fore (sp?) peninsula in the south eastern tip of Iraq. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spicy McHaggis Report post Posted March 20, 2003 Here's something we agree on. Shep is the biggest bumbling moron in TV news. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted March 21, 2003 Brit Hume is... THE SHADOW Did anybody see this? The lights in the Faux studio went out, and Brit was still reading from the teleprompter. The background was still lit, but the main lights went out and left his black shilouette against the stage like it was MST3K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted March 21, 2003 Okay, these reporters are beginning to slur this "shock and awe" into one word, and each time I hear it, it begins to sound more and more like... "Melissa, every report we have is that what we are seeing is definitely not... "Thanks, Bill. Have any of your sources made mention of when we might begin to see the... "A senior official at the Pentagon has stated that we will have no doubt when they begin their campaign of... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zero_Cool Report post Posted March 21, 2003 Mackinac Island is the shiznit, by the way. They have like, good fudge there. Man, I'm sure that at least one tv in my house has had CNN on for the last 24 hours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted March 21, 2003 12 US and 4 British troops believed killed after helicopter crashes inside Kuwait. Enemy fire not thought to be cause. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 21, 2003 12 US and 4 British troops believed killed after helicopter crashes inside Kuwait. FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted March 21, 2003 I'd like to point out all the good footage is on ABC right now. EDIT :Nevermind. They're talking to some geezer now. But CNN has a webcam-quality broadcast from a tank, Fox something similar from a Jeep that's behind a tank (probably the CNN tank) and thus it's making TONS of dust, and ABC *had* TV-quality broadcast of tanks and one of those cool mobile bridge-making things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted March 21, 2003 FoxNews apologized for not having the footage CNN is showing. Damn Sheppard Smith's ego. The video CNN has is very impressive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted March 21, 2003 MSNBC: Iraqi 11th army has surrendered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mad Dog Report post Posted March 21, 2003 20% of the Republican guard has already surrendered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted March 21, 2003 According to MSNBC, this is all a rumor. I'm not sure if it's Psy-Ops or what. A BBC reporter embedded. There's apparently a embedded BBC reporter who claims the Marines are meeting stiff, unsurrendering resistance while entering Iraq from the south. A stark contrast to what the FNC and CNN guys have been experiencing. I have to chime in and say the 7th on CNN is hauling ass. They are not conserving fuel. Either they have a specific target or they know the way in front of them is open and they have a refinery up ahead. I don't know if others understand the importance of fuel, but they are fucking hauling ass and will have to stop for fuel sometime soon. Why couldn't the time difference be a little better to where I could stay up, by my calculation they are probably close to 100 miles inside of Iraq (going by how long they have televised this and about how fast they are going). They have got to be a quarter of the way to Baghdad. the 3rd Infantry on FNC is going at a slower pace, probably to conserve fuel, they will go further at this rate than the 7th, although it'll take them longer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted March 21, 2003 It might be the resistance is coming from the Republican Guard. The 7th stopped a view hours ago to refuel the helicopters. Maybe the tanks where refueled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted March 21, 2003 20% of the Republican guard has already surrendered. Keep in mind that there are three different divisons of the Republican Guard, ranging from the alleged elites of the Iraqi army to Saddam's personal bodyguard squad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted March 21, 2003 CNN reporting that a Scud was fired at 7th Cav. At least, that's what I assume. Tactical ballistics is what they've been launching all day, thus Scud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted March 21, 2003 12 US and 4 British troops believed killed after helicopter crashes inside Kuwait. Enemy fire not thought to be cause. It's the other way around, actually. 12 British and 4 American. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted March 21, 2003 The 7th stopped a view hours ago to refuel the helicopters. Maybe the tanks where refueled. First, I should be more specific - when I mean save fuel, I mean save enough to maneuver and fight while their tankers catch up if that happened. They are outpacing their tankers and during the first Gulf war, an entire tank Corps had fuel problems because they went too far too fast. The M1s are gas turbines buring basically Kerosene (JP-8) (they can burn other fuels being as they are turbines and were made to burn diesel as well). Gas turbines are great for hauling ass and accelerating rapidly, but a diesel engine of the same size would have upto 3 times the range. At idle, they burn 10-16 gallons per hour, depending on who you ask. On hard surface, for every gallon they get about 2 miles. On the surfaces they are on now, they are running up 3 gallons for every mile or so, more if they get off in the real sand. They appear to be running about 35-40 miles and hour (burning about 120 gallons an hour or so and they have around 500 gallons on them) You have to remember, the M1s were designed to fight in Europe, they were never going to be far from a supply depot and accelerating and moving rapidly around Europe (including using the highways/roads) was more important than going over 100 miles at a time. Right now, they are outpacing their supply lines (specifically the fuel tankers, which can't keep up 35-40mph across even semi-hard terrain). Something is up, because they are going to reach a point where they have to stop and wait and save enough fuel to maneuver against Iraqi forces if they had to, while waiting on the tankers. That is why I think they have a specific target in mind and it is well within their fuel range, or they have some kind of fuel refinery or something captured or setup somewhere (and helicopters wouldn't be ferrying in that much fuel so it's got to be something they captured). They are not acting like they are going to have to stop, maneuver and fight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest phoenixrising Report post Posted March 21, 2003 The 16 troops killed were aboard a CH-46. Those helicopters have been in service since the 1960's, they're supposed to be replaced by the V-22 Osprey but budget cuts and loads of problems with the V-22 program have forced the Sea Knights (CH-46's) into continued service use. Reports say that no anti-aircraft fire was involved, so it was probably something mechanical. My prayers go out to the families of those troops. About the 7th Cavalry...their job is to scout ahead of the main force (3rd Mechanized Infantry Division) so they're moving faster. If they find enemy resistance they can overwhelm they just attack right there (In the first Gulf War a cavalry regiment met a Republican Guard division and nearly destroyed it singlehandedly - Battle of 73 Easting). If they find heavy resistance they stop, fix the unit and wait for the heavier forces to come up and engage. The fact that the 7th is moving so fast means resistance is very light. CNN's picture works better in daylight, at night it's just a bunch of dark green blobs moving on a lighter green field. Finally...I would like to invite Natalie Morales (MSNBC), Jeannie Ohm (MSNBC) and Daryn Kagan (CNN) to my place after the war so I can show them my "breaking news". That is all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest phoenixrising Report post Posted March 21, 2003 The 7th stopped a view hours ago to refuel the helicopters. Maybe the tanks where refueled. First, I should be more specific - when I mean save fuel, I mean save enough to maneuver and fight while their tankers catch up if that happened. They are outpacing their tankers and during the first Gulf war, an entire tank Corps had fuel problems because they went too far too fast. The M1s are gas turbines buring basically Kerosene (JP-8) (they can burn other fuels being as they are turbines and were made to burn diesel as well). Gas turbines are great for hauling ass and accelerating rapidly, but a diesel engine of the same size would have upto 3 times the range. At idle, they burn 10-16 gallons per hour, depending on who you ask. On hard surface, for every gallon they get about 2 miles. On the surfaces they are on now, they are running up 3 gallons for every mile or so, more if they get off in the real sand. They appear to be running about 35-40 miles and hour (burning about 120 gallons an hour or so and they have around 500 gallons on them) You have to remember, the M1s were designed to fight in Europe, they were never going to be far from a supply depot and accelerating and moving rapidly around Europe (including using the highways/roads) was more important than going over 100 miles at a time. Right now, they are outpacing their supply lines (specifically the fuel tankers, which can't keep up 35-40mph across even semi-hard terrain). Something is up, because they are going to reach a point where they have to stop and wait and save enough fuel to maneuver against Iraqi forces if they had to, while waiting on the tankers. That is why I think they have a specific target in mind and it is well within their fuel range, or they have some kind of fuel refinery or something captured or setup somewhere (and helicopters wouldn't be ferrying in that much fuel so it's got to be something they captured). They are not acting like they are going to have to stop, maneuver and fight. Something else I just remembered - the CNN reporter said they had stopped at a forward refueling point. They probably just stopped in the desert, waited for their fuel to arrive, then they would refuel and continue. With choppers they set up a FARP - Foward Arming and Refueling Point - where the choppers can land, refuel and rearm, and then take off again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted March 21, 2003 HOT HOT SEXY SURRENDERING ACTION on CNN. Kinda looks like the civilians are surrendering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest phoenixrising Report post Posted March 21, 2003 HOT HOT SEXY SURRENDERING ACTION on CNN. Kinda looks like the civilians are surrendering. Oh yeah baby, show me that white flag. Flaunt it, flaunt it, oh yeah you're a sexy Iraqi surrender machine!! Work it baby until the troops start their search. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted March 21, 2003 Once they surrender they cuff em and tell em to walk down a road gaurded every few hundred feet by US soldiers. They showed a long shot of a few dozen Iraqis just walked evenly spaced down this road into the distance. I hope they dont make them walk all the way back to Kuwait! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest phoenixrising Report post Posted March 21, 2003 More news on the crash... Looks like there were 12 killed - four American crewman and eight British commandos. The helicopter went down in a sandstorm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted March 21, 2003 Correct me if I'm wrong, but by current body count that we are AWARE of isn't the U.S. losing to Iraq? 12:4? EDIT: I guess it depends how many were at that "Target Of Oppertunity" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mad Dog Report post Posted March 21, 2003 I think the Iraq death toll is in the low 20s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest phoenixrising Report post Posted March 21, 2003 Just because one side has the higher body count doesn't mean they're winning. Winning a battle usually means either destroying the army in front of you or meeting your strategic objectives. Also, one army can have more soldiers and have a higher body count, but the fact that they have more soldiers means that the high body count isn't necessairily a win/lose statistic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
