Guest SP-1 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 And that's fine. I think I said earlier in the thread how varied and wide my musical tastes are. It just really gets to me when people seem high handed about music. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 It's just when people refuse to try stuff. I've heard Linkin Park, Korn, LB, and etc. Along with new nu metal bands. If you will try bands like Iced Earth, Dream Theater, Opeth, Dark Funeral. Fair is fair, for I tried, you tried back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 I have a friend who can probably hook me up with one of those. I'll talk to him. The guy has quite the array of music. If not, I'll hit up Kazaa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 Hey, it's all I can ask that you'd do. And thank you for trying them. I wouldn't personally say Dark Funeral, some of the softer Opeth, and any Iced Earth and importantly all Dream Theater is worth checking out, to your views, IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 I've heard of Dream Theater before, I think. I hear about so many bands through a friend of mine (the guy is, I think, one of those creepy people who will turn out to be a musical genius that Indy fans adore one day). I shall indeed check 'em out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 Please, for the love of god/satan/buddah, dont touch any indy. Indy sucks, and sucks hard. Dream Theater is reallt worth it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 LOL. Throw out a specific song and I'll download it now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 Any of the following tracks (I'll include lenghts, incase time is an issue) A Change Of Seasons (23:08) Blind Faith (10:18) Erotomania (6:44) Fatal Tragedy (6:48) Strange Deja Vu (5:12) The Dance of Eternity (6:12) The Glass Prison (13:47) Ytse Jam (5:46) Live stuff worth getting if you like them: Flight of the Bumblebee (guitar solo) Master Of Pupperts, 7 Min Drum Solo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 Nirvana will always own Dream Theatre, Please define "owns". In any case, I would have to say Mudhoney, Flipper, and the Melvins all "own" Nirvana. Do you know who any of them are? You should since those are the big boys that influenced and/or were ripped off (lack of a better term) by Cobain. Did you ever hear of Nirvana before "Team Spirit". If you did you would of realized the abortion of there sound that appeared on "Nevermind". You come off as a Top 40 pop puppet fan to me (correct me if I'm wrong) when comparing the darlings like Nirvana, Police, and Radiohead to the selected others. Maybe I'm taking this all too personal, but some folks here just spew mindless, ill conceived crap at times. No, I'm not a Top Forty Fan puppet (whatever the hell that means). I do know who they are, and everyone is influenced by someone else. Mudhoney, Flipper, and the Melvins helped give Cobain a style, which he perfected in my honest opinion. Tell me how he didn't. I personally would prefer the Pixies over Nirvana anyday, but I merely picked three bands that are instantly recognizable to everyone, and were great. Besides, the Pixies are better than those three anyway.... Again, all you do is make blanket statements that sound like you have your head up your ass. Why don't you actually *gasp* READ my post regarding technique and try to refute it. If my post about the three bands in question is so uninformed, why don't you inform me hmm? Seriously, call it uninformed, but yours makes you out to be extremely stupid, since you don't even bother to put up an argument. Like honestly, it's as if you didn't read anything. If you don't put forth an effort and make a post that doesn't personally insult me, but rather tackles the material therein, I'm not coming back in here, because it's simply not worth it. By the way, I think in any way, shape or form, insinuating that either Dream TheatRe, Rush, or Van Halen is above Radiohead is a ridiculous insult to a band that TRULY ascends greatness. I like the aforementioned three, but to say they're better than Radiohead shows that YOU are the one who is uninformed. Remember kids; an opinion is only worth it's own weight in justification, giving EVERYONE a chance.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Hamburglar Report post Posted March 24, 2003 Going by the purely technical perspective, how can Dream Theatre come close to be considered a great band seeing as their singer is no greater than mediocre? Surely there is a widely adopted technical standard when it comes to vocals in music? If one were to assess singing on a purely technical level, virtually all metal bands would have to be considered worthless. Although pop singers are full of sonic distortion and over-producing and shit, there's no denying that most of the time pop singers possess what is widely considered to be a good singing voice. But of course that argument is bollocks, which goes to show how using technique to measure musical output is worthless. And another thing, why do some people act like metal is the holy grail of music, the only genre capable of reaching such great heights of complexity? If I was looking to use examples of pure technique and control I'd point to jazz, classical and warp music. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 24, 2003 True, all the arrangements and compositions of classical music downright blow all those "technical" bands away in terms of musical prowess. On top of that, they contain the melody and soul I mentioned earlier. If you want to be "moved", if you want to listen to a technical masterpiece that is also beautifull arranged, listen to any sort of classical music. It's all good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 Metal can draw heavilly from Jazz and Classic. There are several high end guitarest that have covered classic work as as solos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kibagami Report post Posted March 25, 2003 Indy sucks, and sucks hard. ::slants and enchants Dace...through a table:: K. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted March 25, 2003 Don't touch Iced Earth, they fucking suck hard. Power metal is like haggis. Some people like it, some people like it a LOT, however it's abhorrent and foul. Well, it's like haggis in a leather jacket, pumping its fist defiantly, singing like a girl, and playing cheesy solos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 *No Sells Silent* And you know why. Power Metal isn't for everyone. But Thrash Power isn't that bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted March 25, 2003 Thrash Power? Wtf? that genre doesn't even exist. If it does, there's probably two bands in it that could be easily grouped into a larger circle. Namely Power Metal, or Thrash. After that, we'll put all the bands in a venn diagram until we finally find that one band who is the king of Melodic Death Power Thrash Speed Progressive Metalcore-core Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 I say Thrash Power because of Iced Earth stuff is clearly Power, with some Thrash influnces, and some is the other way around. And that's just a change of styles over time. Thrash Influnced Power then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest swan Report post Posted March 25, 2003 No, I'm not a Top Forty Fan puppet (whatever the hell that means). I do know who they are, and everyone is influenced by someone else. Mudhoney, Flipper, and the Melvins helped give Cobain a style, which he perfected in my honest opinion. Tell me how he didn't. I personally would prefer the Pixies over Nirvana anyday, but I merely picked three bands that are instantly recognizable to everyone, and were great. Besides, the Pixies are better than those three anyway.... Again, all you do is make blanket statements that sound like you have your head up your ass. Why don't you actually *gasp* READ my post regarding technique and try to refute it. If my post about the three bands in question is so uninformed, why don't you inform me hmm? Seriously, call it uninformed, but yours makes you out to be extremely stupid, since you don't even bother to put up an argument. Like honestly, it's as if you didn't read anything. If you don't put forth an effort and make a post that doesn't personally insult me, but rather tackles the material therein, I'm not coming back in here, because it's simply not worth it. By the way, I think in any way, shape or form, insinuating that either Dream TheatRe, Rush, or Van Halen is above Radiohead is a ridiculous insult to a band that TRULY ascends greatness. I like the aforementioned three, but to say they're better than Radiohead shows that YOU are the one who is uninformed. Remember kids; an opinion is only worth it's own weight in justification, giving EVERYONE a chance.... I read all your posts and found them silly. Your comparisons for the most part were apples and oranges. The top forty puppet comment for the most part was because you compared a top 40 darling to ones you don't find there. Don't take it personal, the top forty bands and singers are puppets to the record industry and do have a place to the common Joe Blow fan Most music fans need technique and structure. Everything else, imo, is crap. But of course to nail this all on the head, opinons are like assholes, everyone's got one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 And you still can't spell Theater right either. It's Dream Theater on all their CDs. There web is DreamTheater.net. DreamTheatre.net doesn't exist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 Iced Earth is awesome man, how can you say such a thing, when they can actually play live well, unlike others *cough*Slayer*cough* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 I've got the Alive In Athens 3 CD set. Man does that make me want to see them live. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 Theatre thing was a joke, you shouldn't have taken that so seriously. I know that it's not their name, but Jesus you don't need to be so anal-retentive about it, especially when I admit it. But of course knocking the spelling shows your lack of argument. They can play those classical works, like I can, but arranging and creating them is a different story. About the Top 40 thing; I Just picked them because they seem to be well-known by all. Just because they're well known doesn't mean they're any less of a band. Explain to me how Radiohead is a puppet to the recording industry, because it just sounds like you're talking through your ass again. Instead of tackling the argument, you're dismissing it, and I stand by my comment about those bands. Contrary, to what you might believe, the average Joe Blow doesn't give a shit about Radiohead, or The Police. At least today. Again, Indie snobs aren't nearly as pretentious as you make yourself out to be. I've asked time and time again for you to say something worthwhile, and you still haven't. Whatever, I feel like I'm talking to a wall. Just to point out, I still like Dream TheatRe (Are you going to cry now, Dace?), Rush, and Van Halen (one of these is not like the others), but they're wayyyyy overrated by any if all musicians. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 Only if you kill the joke this soon. And at least we can all be sure about the anal shit people pull. And who brought Indie into this anyway? Indie sucks in my view, I dont like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 So I'm about 6 minutes in to The Glass Prison as of this posting, and if the rest of Dream Theater's stuff is this good, I'm going to go CD hunting next time I have the money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Hollywood Fashion Plate Report post Posted March 25, 2003 Anyway, I think the album in question [LP] is alright. I got it yesterday (thanks to unscrupulous merchants) and while its not really groundbreaking, its more of the good LP sound. The middle songs are the weakest element of the album, while songs like 'Breaking the Habit' and 'Nobody's Listening' make up for it at the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 Glad you like it. You've tried new stuff, and liked it. The fact you tried is good enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 Dace have you ever heard Blind Guardian? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 Yes. I like the eariler stuff, from the first four albums better. More Thrash like, but still chesy and fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 Any band that bases some of their songs around Lord of the Rings automaticaly get placed in the realm of ruleage by me. The Bard Song: In the Forest is one of the swankest "acoustic" things I've ever heard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted March 25, 2003 IIRC, it's basses off The Silmarillion actually, but it's pretty much the same in terms of inspeation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
