More on Goldberg/Jericho

[Guest Lightning Flik]

Hey dudes, what's going on in this thread?

Flaming of opinions. Nothing new.

Ummm, nooooo, we were having a Christian debate, yeah, that's the ticket.

Well when I replyed there was someone using NHB Folder terms in here (two somebodies) and so that's why I said it.

 

However, no one is, so no biggy. Now it's a discussion again.

[Guest Special K]

Jesus, is there a lack of testosterone on this subject? If someone talks shit to you, especially proffessionally, you face them up. You makle it known that you won't take it, and that it's undesserved.

 

Seems that that's what Jericho did. And then Goldberg couldn't handle it. I trully Hate GB, and love Y2J , so I may be biuased, but looking objectively at things, I think Y2J just acted like a goddamn man. Defend yourself verbally and physically. Don't take shit.

 

And I think clobbering someone repeatedly is a lot more dangerous than a chokeout, in my drunken college fight experience.

[Guest Redhawk]

I think a lot of this "backstage reputation" stuff is just coming from guys hating on Goldberg. They are the same guys who hate on anyone who comes into the company and immediately jumps over them on the card, and on top of that doesn't act like some meek little bitch in their presence (see Palumbo and O'Haire, 2001).

 

The guy who said of Goldberg, "he can't work, can't talk"? That was probably Hardcore Holly or Bill DeMott or some jobber who will never have a hope in hell of being in the main event and now is growing sour grapes.

 

Also, how is Goldberg wrong for talking about Jericho behind his back when these other guys are ripping on Goldberg behind his back? Are they better because they're talking to Internet reporters instead of other wrestlers? In every aspect of life people are going to talk about you. If you go and start a fight over it than you'll end up in jail or with your ass beaten.

[Guest Brian]

Does any of that making talking behind people's backs right? You guys are always trying to equate (sp?) negatives with more negatives. In this case, Jericho did the manly thing instead of the little bitch thing which was to confront the person. Goldberg initiated contact, Jericho used a side headlock which is not at all an aggressive move. Goldberg's obviously the aggressor from this report, and that's the jist of what we can pick up.

[Guest KingOfOldSchool]

Bias aside, I say kudos for Jericho for standing up for himself and being a man about this. That is, instead of adding fuel to the fire and muttering something equally catty about Goldberg, not unlike a 6th grade girl.

 

Whether Jericho should or shouldn't have confronted Goldberg, isn't the case. I still think he had just cause to do it, and the fact remains that it's not Goldberg's place to be saying anything at all. Were I Jericho I'd honestly do the same thing.

 

Goldberg is two weeks into his television appearances. Just keep your head down until you've at least had a fucking match. Taking a pen to paper doesn't give you the right act like you're King Shit, talking smack about others who have seniority. If he were in any other business, I think he'd already be out on his ass.

 

It's unfortunate that it came to that. But according to what we know, Jericho went to nip the rumour in the bud by going to the apparent source. Goldberg couldn't take his shit being thrown back in his face, he got heated and Jericho rightly defended himself.

 

And Goldberg's apparent comment about Jericho not being able to sell, when he's done so for everyone from Cena to Hogan. When Goldberg made a whole career out of not.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Also, how is Goldberg wrong for talking about Jericho behind his back when these other guys are ripping on Goldberg behind his back? Are they better because they're talking to Internet reporters instead of other wrestlers? In every aspect of life people are going to talk about you. If you go and start a fight over it than you'll end up in jail or with your ass beaten.

I agree with this statement to a point. But what Goldberg was saying about Jericho was not the idle opinion type "He can't work statement". The stuff that he was talking leads back to the situation that made Jericho want to leave WCW and if I was him I would sure as hell want to nip that in the bud in a heartbeat.

 

And Jericho did the right thing by putting in a move that would end the fight til people got there it isnt like his response to the shove or whatever was to start swinging, he calmed the situation down himself.

[Guest THE MIGHTY THOR]

It's Jericho 4-0 now against Goldberg or this fight doesn't count?

[Guest Polish_Rifle]

I'm going to go off subject..............What the fuck is a wrestler court!?

The Hardys' book had something about wrestler court which is what they do to put one of the wrestler's on trial for doing something that disrupts the locker room. Taker is the judge and Bradshaw is the prosecutor. Basically, its like a hearing in front of all the wrestlers. Taker hears the case and issues the punishment which the guilty defendents must act out.

 

Its supposedly a way of keeping the peace backstage and if you go to court more than 3 times then your career in the WWE will be pretty short and troublesome.

[Guest nikowwf]

so...basically JERICHO had big bad mighty, won't do a match with him cause hes too small and weak GOLDBERG in a headlock and people had to pull them apart?

 

hahahahahahahaha

 

this might be the only time in my life i miss russo cause this would have come up in an interview

 

"GOLDBERG? HOW ABOUT JERICHO KICKING YOU ASS BACKSTAGE? HUH? WHAT ABOUT THAT?"

 

niko

[Guest Polish_Rifle]

I guess Jericho knows what he's talking about when he calls himself the "Highlight of the Night."

[Guest Redhawk]

Bias aside, I say kudos for Jericho for standing up for himself and being a man about this. That is, instead of adding fuel to the fire and muttering something equally catty about Goldberg, not unlike a 6th grade girl.

 

Whether Jericho should or shouldn't have confronted Goldberg, isn't the case. I still think he had just cause to do it, and the fact remains that it's not Goldberg's place to be saying anything at all. Were I Jericho I'd honestly do the same thing.

 

Goldberg is two weeks into his television appearances. Just keep your head down until you've at least had a fucking match. Taking a pen to paper doesn't give you the right act like you're King Shit, talking smack about others who have seniority. If he were in any other business, I think he'd already be out on his ass.

 

It's unfortunate that it came to that. But according to what we know, Jericho went to nip the rumour in the bud by going to the apparent source. Goldberg couldn't take his shit being thrown back in his face, he got heated and Jericho rightly defended himself.

 

And Goldberg's apparent comment about Jericho not being able to sell, when he's done so for everyone from Cena to Hogan. When Goldberg made a whole career out of not.

Okay, let's assume Jericho agrees with most of the IWC and also thknk HHH is holding him down. Do you think Jericho has NEVER bitched about HHH to anyone? And assuming he has, which would not be a wild assumption, wouldn't HHH be in the right for getting in Jericho's face about it? According to you, yes he would.

 

But if you read a story today about how HHH got in Jericho's face and started a fight, you'd be defending Jericho's position.

 

Basically, all this boils down to is that almost every wrestler who's made it to this level has been turned into a paranoid, petty, stupid guy. Oooh, someone said you don't sell. It's a fucking TV show. You're a fucking actor. Grow up. Is Goldberg costing Jericho any money? Is Goldberg making any booking decisions? So why does Jericho ever care?

[Guest SP-1]

One difference in that is that Goldberg's claims were unjustified by all reports. We all know that Jerky sells.

 

Also, I think that Jericho would probably handle it personally the way he has with Goldy here. But that's just me and it's pure opinion. I still don't condone trash talking behind the back.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

There's a high value placed on Respect backstage in the WWE. Goldberg, someone who is new in the company, was badmouthing Jericho - one of the hardest workers on the roster. That just shouldn't happen.

[Guest Brian]

Goldberg is costing Jericho money. By refusing to work with him and taking up space in the RAW main event slot, Jericho's losing out on an opportunity.

 

HHH gets bad mouthed because he does what he does. Jericho doesn't. Big difference. And if Jericho made the first physical move to fight, then he'd be to blame.

[Guest Beingz0wningj00]

Assuming Jericho would attack HHH if confronted just because Jericho did doesn't make your defense of GHoldberg right. Just thought I'd point that out. Even if this isn't about right and wrong.

[Guest FeArHaVoC]

First off, if Triple H got into an arguement with Jericho and I heard Jericho hit him first and beat Trip's ass, I would still laugh my ass off and cheer Jericho on.

 

And, if I hear Jericho did hit Goldberg first, I would still laugh and cheer Jericho on.

 

WWE doesn't follow rules or show their guys respect. WWE doesn't follow morals and WWE doesn't know the differance between right and wrong.

 

So damnit if am gonna.

 

And as far as all the people who are whinny and crying over this fight. Fighting is a natural part of the business and life of these guys. It comes with the business. Get over it, grow up, and stop being a pussy.

[Guest Redhawk]

Goldberg is costing Jericho money. By refusing to work with him and taking up space in the RAW main event slot, Jericho's losing out on an opportunity.

 

HHH gets bad mouthed because he does what he does. Jericho doesn't. Big difference. And if Jericho made the first physical move to fight, then he'd be to blame.

1) Goldberg isn't taking up a space that Jericho would have been filling. Goldberg is a babyface and Jericho is a heel. So if you want to say Jericho is lower on the rung than he should be, blame the heels who are higher: Triple H, The Rock, Eric Bischoff, Chief Morely, etc. And even if Goldberg did want to work with Jericho, they wouldn't feud for a while anyway, since they are going to have Goldberg go through those higher-echelon heels first.

 

2) So it's fine to bad-mouth someone as long as you're not the first one to complain about their transgression? It's fine to bash HHH because everyone else was doing it, too? That sounds pretty juvenile. If Goldberg thinks Jericho doesn't sell enough than that's his opinion. Why should Jericho be worried about someone's opinion who, as stated earlier, doesn't work with him anyway?

[Guest Brian]

A spot in the main event is a spot in the main event. Goldberg's getting paid a high amount of money. It's not just faces and heels, it's that Goldberg has the spot. And Goldberg's already refused to feud with Jericho even though Goldberg is set to be top face, so there goes Jericho's shot at main eventing.

 

It's fine to bad mouth somebody when the are pulling the shit that they are doing. If it's true, fine, and Goldberg has no place to criticize whereas Jericho would. Like RRR, the locker room is these people's work office and talking shit about how they do their job isn't going to bode well. Goldberg's fairly green to wrestling still, new to the locker room, and is getting paid more to do less while Jericho's been carrying the load of the show and getting nothing for it. If that was me, I'd be fairly pissed to and want to know why he's saying things, which is as far as the article goes to say he did. Jericho didn't reach out and choke him.

[rising up out of the back seat-nuh 0]

1) Goldberg isn't taking up a space that Jericho would have been filling. Goldberg is a babyface and Jericho is a heel. So if you want to say Jericho is lower on the rung than he should be, blame the heels who are higher: Triple H, The Rock, Eric Bischoff, Chief Morely, etc.

For my money, Jericho is the second biggest full time heel on raw. And there isn't really a main-event quality (in terms of overness) face to feud with him now apart from HBK and Nash.

 

Look at it this way. The 4 biggest full-time names on Raw are:

 

HHH

Nash

HBK

Goldberg

 

Like Brian says, I'd be pissed if I was Jericho. Oh well, back to the tag ranks he goes......

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

So when is Jericho going to have a confrontation with Triple H?