Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Benoit should relive that ECW spot where one of the Public Enemy was on a table and he powerbombed Sabu onto him from the top rope. Except this time it would be Hunter and Nash. Than scream out "This is for you Jericho" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I like the way you think WildPeg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I think they are taking a big risk with the Brock/Cena match. Seriously why would any mark buy Cena as a legit threat to Brock? Anyone? Undertaker treated him like a jober last week but Brock will at least have to make him looks semi-good and it could end up killing Brock's heat if the marks see a perceived, non-threat give Brock a good run. I didn't really wanna see Benoit be the first job opponent to Brock either...this was really a lose-lose situation. Hell might have just been better to go the Raw rout with this PPV and have Brock be in a tag match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 16, 2003 He should also rip the cross from Michaels neck and have Michael proclaim him as his new savior... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I keep going back to this, but it blew my mind then and it blows my mind now... The simple fact that they didn't hype up Benoits return last year and then turned him on the day of his return in his home town pretty much well kills any hope that I have for the WWE doing the right thing with him. Yep, that was truly fucked up. I know some wont want to admit this or agree, but I really think Heyman did pretty good with Benoit while he was with Smackdown at least in terms of having him look like a legit contender to the title. What the announcers said about Benoit in those matches for the title with Angle too went a long way.......well at the time at least. Ever since Rhyno has come in to help with tags with Benoit though.......its just sucked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I think they are taking a big risk with the Brock/Cena match. Seriously why would any mark buy Cena as a legit threat to Brock? Anyone? Undertaker treated him like a jober last week but Brock will at least have to make him looks semi-good and it could end up killing Brock's heat if the marks see a perceived, non-threat give Brock a good run. I didn't really wanna see Benoit be the first job opponent to Brock either...this was really a lose-lose situation. Hell might have just been better to go the Raw rout with this PPV and have Brock be in a tag match. Yet another couple of reasons Cena-Lesnar shoulnd't happen yet that I havent thought of. It's certainly true though that Cena is not really over strong yet with the fans as a heel uppercarder, again, this takes months to fine tune, if even if it is at all possible with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Heyman tried to have the focus on Benoits wrestling abilities, which is his biggest strength - it's just that it wasn't done as well as it could have been done and part of that is heymans fault and part of that is mcmahons... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mulatto Heat Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I know some wont want to admit this or agree, but I really think Heyman did pretty good with Benoit while he was with Smackdown at least in terms of having him look like a legit contender to the title. What the announcers said about Benoit in those matches for the title with Angle too went a long way.......well at the time at least. Ever since Rhyno has come in to help with tags with Benoit though.......its just sucked. I agree to an extent, but I still resent how they gave away the Rumble rematch on free TV, which accomplished nothing. It may or may not have anything to do with Heyman, but he does have a reputation for beating matches into the ground. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lord of The Curry Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Heyman tried to have the focus on Benoits wrestling abilities, which is his biggest strength - it's just that it wasn't done as well as it could have been done and part of that is heymans fault and part of that is mcmahons... Well it fuckin sure as hell isn't Benoits fault....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I know some wont want to admit this or agree, but I really think Heyman did pretty good with Benoit while he was with Smackdown at least in terms of having him look like a legit contender to the title. What the announcers said about Benoit in those matches for the title with Angle too went a long way.......well at the time at least. Ever since Rhyno has come in to help with tags with Benoit though.......its just sucked. I agree to an extent, but I still resent how they gave away the Rumble rematch on free TV, which accomplished nothing. It may or may not have anything to do with Heyman, but he does have a reputation for beating matches into the ground. Thats probably Heymans idea............he was the one as well behind hot matches like Benoit/Jericho v. HHH/Austin as well, and that could have been done easy on a ppv, but I think the reasoning was that they wanted to keep the momentum on Benoit and Jericho from the night before. But then the next step in that idea was to air TLC 3 free on Smackdown, a definate plus for the fans, but bad business-wise. This was all in that same week. And then the next week came that great Benoit-Austin match on Smackdown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JDMattitudeV1 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 What pisses me of is the fact that the Undertaker is going to be out injured for a few weeks, so why couldn't he do a semi-clean job to Cena and do an injury angle to put heat on Cena? But no, that would mean somebody else other than Taker looking good and we can't have that now can we. So Benoit has to go out and do all the work of getting Cena over as a serious threat to Brocks title. And why the fuck A-Train continues to be pushed is one of life’s greatest mysteries. On the plus side I really think the Piper - O'Haire combination could allow O'Haire to go places (glass ceiling permitted of course) and Los Guerrero’s vs Team Angle may be the match that saves the night at Backlash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 What pisses me of is the fact that the Undertaker is going to be out injured for a few weeks, so why couldn't he do a semi-clean job to Cena and do an injury angle to put heat on Cena? Because Cena is smaller than Undertaker and hasn't paid his dues or probably hasn't given Droz a good dick sucking, so Taker doesn't think he deserves to go over clean in anyway against Big Evil. I think in a way someone like Undertaker is worse for business than HHH because at least you could make an argument for HHH still being a main event guy, just not going over the entire roster and playing circle jerk with is glorified IC title with his buddies. Taker on the other hand is nothing more than an upper midcard guy who is never gonna a big run at the top again and is currently feuding with midcarders and teaming with the least talented wrestler on the roster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JDMattitudeV1 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I think they are taking a big risk with the Brock/Cena match. Seriously why would any mark buy Cena as a legit threat to Brock? Anyone? Undertaker treated him like a jober last week but Brock will at least have to make him looks semi-good and it could end up killing Brock's heat if the marks see a perceived, non-threat give Brock a good run. I didn't really wanna see Benoit be the first job opponent to Brock either...this was really a lose-lose situation. Hell might have just been better to go the Raw rout with this PPV and have Brock be in a tag match. I agree, this is a big gamble considering that Raw's main event is barely good enough to headline a regular episode of Raw. They needed a lot longer to build Cena up as a serious contender, a couple of weeks just isn't going to cut it from a marks perspective. They are relying on Rock - Goldberg alone to sell this PPV, and Goldberg’s drawing power is questionable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Goldberg's drawing power isn't questionable - the question has already been answered: it's non-existant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MarvinisaLunatic Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I would have had interference in the Benoit Cena match and had it end up a 3 way at the PPV. That way the match: A- wouldn't be so predictable and B- wouldn't suck ass. If there is one person that watches Smackdown, whether they are a casual fan are a Smark, thinks that Cena is going to win, then I wouldn't mind selling them some land on the moon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I would have had interference in the Benoit Cena match and had it end up a 3 way at the PPV. That way the match: A- wouldn't be so predictable and B- wouldn't suck ass. Well I don't think Brock/Cena will suck, just I don't see how it will have any heat but a 3-way would have been a great idea. That way you actually would have create some actual suspense (for the marks which is very important) because Brock wouldn't have to be pinned to lose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crucifixio Jones Report post Posted April 16, 2003 why couldn't [undertaker] do a semi-clean job to Cena and do an injury angle to put heat on Cena? The same reason he didn't do an injury angle to explain his time off after his HiTC match with Brock and instead had the blame placed on some weak toss from the stage by the Big Show and came back to have a meaningless workrate deficient feud with him instead. Because it would've made sense and it would've made a guy younger than him seem like a legit threat. We can't have either of those two things happening on Calloway's watch, no sir. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Or have Lesnar cause Benoit the match. Two questions can arise: 1)Is Lesnar afraid of Benoit? 2)Does Lesnar just want Cena that bad? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 why couldn't [undertaker] do a semi-clean job to Cena and do an injury angle to put heat on Cena? The same reason he didn't do an injury angle to explain his time off after his HiTC match with Brock and instead had the blame placed on some weak toss from the stage by the Big Show and came back to have a meaningless workrate deficient feud with him instead. Because it would've made sense and it would've made a guy younger than him seem like a legit threat. We can't have either of those two things happening on Calloway's watch, no sir. That's actually a good point because if Taker wasn't even willing to put over Brock the first time around, even though Brock was at least a HOSS and the current WWE Champ, how did Cena ever have a chance? Taker is just bad for business. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I just looked the spoilers over again and saw that there was no mention of Big Show after he went to ask for a match against Rey. Uh oh Big Show/Rey at Backlash maybe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JDMattitudeV1 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Goldberg's drawing power isn't questionable - the question has already been answered: it's non-existant. One things for sure, the PPV buyrates for those final WCW PPV's weren't exactly earth shattering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Or have Lesnar cause Benoit the match. Two questions can arise: 1)Is Lesnar afraid of Benoit? 2)Does Lesnar just want Cena that bad? Hell he could have even accidentally caused Benoit the match when he was trying to help Benoit win since he cant stand Cena and even would rather have Benoit face him at Backlash (Because "he deserves it more" in a Lesnar promo they could do)..........or whatever. Its just insane that they went the direction that they did here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Goldberg's drawing power was killed by Nash's hair at Starrcade '98. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Taker isn't bad for business because he still has a solid fan following... so he does have a place on the card... but he falls under the same spell that so many other wrestlers have succumbed to - he still thinks he has value as a champion. This means he wants to 'protect the rep' as long as possible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Goldberg's drawing power isn't questionable - the question has already been answered: it's non-existant. One things for sure, the PPV buyrates for those final WCW PPV's weren't exactly earth shattering. WCWs last, say year or so, was the same in a sense as WWE right now. Business is so bland that nobody is a legit draw, and the people staying are most likely the die-hards. I'm a strong believer than if it wasn't for the fact that there isn't any other mainstream company right now competiting on the same level as WWE, Vince would only be pulling about the same level as WCW did during its dying days......or at least close to (hard to say if there is or was the same true die-hards of WWE/F now as there was with WCW). On the subject of Taker I saw a comment that said that Taker never really put Lesnar over, as much as I cant stand Taker, I got to disagree. He put him over pretty strong at No Mercy and at Royal Rumble. I think having Lesnar take him out with the injury angle would have been dumb and nonsensical considering they had Lesnar penciled for turning face or at least tweener after No Mercy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I think it would be a lot more darker for Lesnar to directly cost Benoit the match - it would be a total WTF. The announcers for backlash could justify it as Brock wanting Cena so bad - but then after backlash they could use it as Brock is afraid of Benoit. Not necessarily a heel turn, but it puts a dent in the Lesnar character - makes him a little more human. Though a promo with Lesnar conceeding the fact that Benoit deserves a title would be very interesting... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Taker isn't bad for business because he still has a solid fan following... so he does have a place on the card... but he falls under the same spell that so many other wrestlers have succumbed to - he still thinks he has value as a champion. This means he wants to 'protect the rep' as long as possible. Taker would have value and be good for business if actually gave ther rub to younger wrestlers. The way he treated Cena was a joke. That's actually why I don't mind if someone like Sting comes in because I could see him being an upper midcard guy who gives the rub to the younger guys, but he's probably been out of it too long to really do that. Guys like Benoit and Guerrero shouldn't be the ones to give the rub to the young guys when they themselves have never been the top stars in the business like Undertaker once was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RedJed Report post Posted April 16, 2003 I think it would be a lot more darker for Lesnar to directly cost Benoit the match - it would be a total WTF. The announcers for backlash could justify it as Brock wanting Cena so bad - but then after backlash they could use it as Brock is afraid of Benoit. Not necessarily a heel turn, but it puts a dent in the Lesnar character - makes him a little more human. Though a promo with Lesnar conceeding the fact that Benoit deserves a title would be very interesting... Yeah, they could have Benoit go somewhat tweener in a sense in that he is constantly in Lesnar's face after he costs him the match with Cena (has a major confrontation with him in the ring after the Backlash match with Cena, saying now here's his chance for Lesnar to give him a shot, where is it, etc), and Lesnar begins backing off of him ALOT, almost to the point he looks more of a heel or something as said, but yeah, just making him more of an interesting character in that you cant tell what the deal REALLY is, if he fears losing the title to Benoit or what.......would put a different twist on things for an upcoming match between the two, and of course save face for the most part with Benoit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Oh, I totally agree. I just think that Taker is too over to get rid of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted April 16, 2003 Oh, I totally agree. I just think that Taker is too over to get rid of. I've never said release the guy either because there are very few guys on the roster, who can with one match, create a star right there and Taker is one of them but is unwilling to do so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
