One and Only NWA:TNA Week 41 Thread

[Guest kane3212321]

She didn't win the X-Division title did she? I kinda enjoyed the show, the tag match was great and so was Lynn/Red. Trinity match was so-so and the extreme match was good for what it was. I was angry no Shark Boy match though, especially for that Credible/Slash rubbish.

[Guest RedJed]

Ummm yeah she didn't win the X division title........that should have been obvious if anyone would have watched the show.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

I'll have to rewatch Lynn/Red tomorrow before me and my buddy Jason jam. I was expecting an all-out spotfest, and I got an actual match, so I'll need to watch it again to form a good opinion on it.

[Guest treble charged]

Was the crowd extra dead tonight or is it always like that?

[Guest RedJed]

Was the crowd extra dead tonight or is it always like that?

They werent really dead for the middle portion of the show, the HC match and the Kash-Trinity match, IMO.

[Guest Space_Cowboy]

My cable fucked up so i couldn't order the show, a shame since it looked pretty alright.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

I really hope Jarrett doesn't win. Raven with his many apostles (Including, ironically, Justin Credible, the man Raven has never beaten, and Sandman of all people) would be an awesome champion and Jarrett has other things he can do, whereas I don't see that in Raven's case.

[Guest Slapnuts00]

Ordered the show for the first time in a few weeks. I liked it.

-Style/Dlo vs. Sanders/Disco was ok but the ending was a letdown.

-I liked XXX vs. AMW. They had me fooled with the injury angle, I was sure Harris was gonna turn on him. Lots of near falls. These guys are too good to break up, but at least they're doing the slow build, and we get XXX vs. Lynn/Red again!

-The Ultimate Sin match was ok for what it was. There's only so many times you can have the same hardcore match. Credible trying to grab the bat while it was stuck was funny.

-I really liked Kash vs. Trinity. When she came out I groaned and didn't want to see Chyna vs. Men part II, but she just took a shit kicking from Kash. Brutal stuff, especially the smash mouth. I thought she was dead. It's been a great angle, hopefully she won't get the title though.

-Credible vs. Slash was filler but the flaming cane shot was cool.

-Red vs. Lynn was a good match although somewhat disappointing. Their last encounter had lots of crazy spots and red getting dropped on his head, while this was more slow paced and a more traditional match. Konan was funny on commentarry although a little explicit at times. Good to see the Truth is back involved in things.

-That Raven/Jarret package was really awesome. In fact all the video packages are great.

-Eric Watts is pretty funny as long as he's not in the ring. Alexis is indeed cute and she was bumping all over for Jarret. What is it with this fed and beating women? Theyre made of steel or something...

-YES that was Vince Russo in the background of the Ministry's lockerroom. When they didn't acknoledge him I realized it was a fuck up. Very funny, .9 on the Pat Patterson scale.

-Kinda mixed on the ending. It was a shock, although it doesn't make much sense. I guess that's Russo's trademark though. Raven gave Jarret a damn good beating to end the show. It almost makes it seem like Jarret HAS to win next week, but that wouldn't make sense with all the buildup. Jarret is way stale as champ anyway.

[Guest Breakout]

So? There is like a Team ECW now? Where does that leave Julio and Alexis? Ill be glad when I can actually watch an episode on TNA. Stupid Cable company for not having it.

[Guest RedJed]

Yeah, whats weird is that Sandman and Raven are now on the same team, something which is very weird if anyone followed ECW or even when they were in WCW. They have NEVER been on the same page, much less in a faction together. I'm sure Julio and Alexis will still be part of his little flock though. I dunno, quite honestly the more I've thought about that move, even though it surprised the shit out of me, its actually kind of odd.

 

This wasnt probably a good week for you to start watching anyway, since there was stuff in here that seemed really nonsensical like the opening matches finish and then again, I go back to that finish in Kash-Trinity (which was a hell of a match but the finish was dumb). The Watts stuff was also pretty much nonsense in the whole scheme of things, since it made no fucking sense why Watts would legitimately be trying to help Jarrett. And what about Storm going tweener now too? Probably everything tonight was all a swerve to build to another swerve next week, who knows. I bet we'll see Kid Kash join SEX next week for some reason......in yet another swerve.

[Guest Galactic Gigolo]

I question why TNA didn't run something with any of Team Xtreme where one of them didn't come out at the end. The Team Xtreme vs. Disciples feud can't last forever, so I'm surprised Russo didn't have Saturn, Sandman, or Credible (since Raven has pasts with all thse men) be the odd man out (i.e. "What the fuck were you guys thinking by joining him?) who doesn't conform to the Disciples or Raven. Would be a good feud, as there's so many matches that could occur prior to the blowoff match.

 

I think Don West described the show greatly when he mentioned how the whole damn show (minus the XXX vs. AMW and Lynn vs. Red) was a brawl. Okay show. All the matches held my attention, but none truly wowed me, though I too have to go back and watch Red/Lynn because I was listening to Konnan.

 

And you know what the best part is?

 

JORGE ESTRADA LOOKS TO BE GONE!

[Guest EN090]

I really enjoyed tonight's show. Everything pretty much clicked for me.

 

-Styles/D-Lo vs. Gilberti/Sanders - Really good match with the crowd into it. I didn't mind the finish at all - made it more exciting.

 

-XXX vs. AMW was a good match too. Liked the injury angle before. At first, I thought it would be predictable and Harris would turn but that didn't happen. I don't see this as Storm going heel at all. He's just had enough with Harris' crap and let him know about it.

 

-Ultimate Sin match was pretty cool. Mitchell's promo, explaining the rules was great. The guy is gold on the mic. Don't mind Credible in Team Extreme...makes sense.

 

-Kash/Trinity - Just like Slapnuts, I loved this angle and match. Probably my favorite angle on the show. Kash was really good on the mic and just BEAT THE HELL outa Trinity and she took it like a pro. Kash was getting major heat.

 

Can anyone explain why the Harris Boys and....ummmm was it Sanders........why they attacked Kash? Makes no sense at all.

 

It made perfect sense to me. Last week, it was Sanders vs. Kash for the X title. Kash got the win and afterwards, the Harris Boys ran out to help Sanders get revenge on him. Before The Harrises could get to him, Kash ran away so they grabbed Trinity to try and goad him back in. Kash ran away so they took out Trinity. Tonight, they were able to get revenge on Kash. Tenay even noted it on commentary.

 

-Slash/Credible - Did it's job to progress the Extreme/New Church feud. Flaming cane shot was nice.

 

-Red/Lynn - good match but I expected a little more. It's about damn time they brougth the Truth back. Hooking him up with Konnan makes sense and I'm interested to see where it goes.

 

-I enjoyed Eric Watts' skits throughout the show. Interested to see where this thing with Jarrett goes. I'd love to see Watts develop a personality where he's all funny on the mic (like tonight) but when he's pissed he develops a mean streak.

 

-I really loved the ending although the crowd was already dead by then. It shocked the hell out of me and really added heat to an already much-anticipated match. How good of a job have they done hyping Jarrett/Raven?

 

-Kinda mixed on the ending. It was a shock, although it doesn't make much sense. I guess that's Russo's trademark though.

 

You're right, A group of former ECW wrestlers joining up with another fellow ECW wrestler to back him just 7 days before one of the biggest matches of his life makes no sense at all.

 

Don't judge it before you see where it goes. Notice that Sandman was kind of standing in the corner by himself while the other ECW guys were celebrating.

 

I don't get what your problem is with Russo. You praise most of the show (without mentioning Russo's name in any kind of positive light) and the moment you see something that you slightly don't like it's, "Oh, Russo must have booked that." Kinda childish, don't ya think?

[Guest EN090]

The Watts stuff was also pretty much nonsense in the whole scheme of things, since it made no fucking sense why Watts would legitimately be trying to help Jarrett. And what about Storm going tweener now too? Probably everything tonight was all a swerve to build to another swerve next week, who knows. I bet we'll see Kid Kash join SEX next week for some reason......in yet another swerve.

 

It's not like Watts is really trying to be friends with Jarrett...it's mind games. Watts' has a cooky character and he's playing mind gmaes.

 

Who said Storm was tweener? Why can't it be that Storm is just sick of Harris' crap and is letting him know about it.

 

I already explained the KAsh/Harris Boys thing and why it made sense. Kash ran away from them last week and Trinity took the beating so the people wanted to see Kash get his and he did.

[Guest RedJed]

First off, dont critisize anyone's shit on Russo when you obviously are a huge mark of his work. You're a pot calling a kettle black because if you think others aren't thinking of things with the whole picture in mind or are showing bias, you are quite frankly doing the same.

 

I understand the deal with the Harris Boys and Kash to that point, but dont you get that it confuses the viewer when a strongly hated heel tag team goes and attacks a guy who probably got the biggest heel heat EVER in a TNA show? Its just quite honestly a stupid booking manuever, whoever done it. It confuses the fans who want to see Kash get his ass handed to him, but they want it done by at least a character they can sympathize with. The Harris Boys are NOT those people. Same with the opening no contest and the beatdown on Lynn, especially considering that Lynn AND Red both have had their seperate heat with Styles in the past ALOT..........why would they all of a sudden feel the need to save him???!!

 

And as I just stated the more I do think about it, it does make little sense that all of those ECW guys would help Raven. They are all from ECW, big deal. It makes no sense given Raven's character, in that he is very limited to who he confides in, and he already has his own faction in the first place!

[Guest RedJed]

Who said Storm was tweener? Why can't it be that Storm is just sick of Harris' crap and is letting him know about it.

There is no reason for Storm to be pissed at Harris since Storm himself was the one who was diverting the ref's attention while Harris got low-blowed. If anything, he should have been apologizing to him for that, instead of bitching at him and walking off. Harris did nothing in the match itself to constitute the action of Storm after the match. Like I've already said, it makes you wonder whats going to happen next, but at the same time it makes it hard for fans to get an understanding of these characters at times like this.

[Guest EN090]

I understand the deal with the Harris Boys and Kash to that point, but dont you get that it confuses the viewer when a strongly hated heel tag team goes and attacks a guy who probably got the biggest heel heat EVER in a TNA show? Its just quite honestly a stupid booking manuever, whoever done it. It confuses the fans who want to see Kash get his ass handed to him, but they want it done by at least a character they can sympathize with. The Harris Boys are NOT those people. Same with the opening no contest and the beatdown on Lynn, especially considering that Lynn AND Red both have had their seperate heat with Styles in the past ALOT..........why would they all of a sudden feel the need to save him???

 

I see you went and read Meltzer's PPV report, LoL.

 

First about the opening - were you watching the same show I was? Because what I saw was Styles and Gilberti BRAWLING TO THE BACK AND OUT OF SITE and then Lynn and Red running out, NOT TO SAVE STYLES (who, like I said, was already gone) but to get revenge on Triple X for attacking them after the match last week. That doesn't make a lick of sense, huh?

 

As for the Kash Stuff - I didn't see the fans getting pissed because "oh my god, a heel attacked a heel. The humanity of it all!!!" They were cheering their asses off and enjoying. And after what happened last week, it made sense. The Harris Boys/Sanders wanted revenge on Kash for Kash beating Sanders. They didn't get it last week so they got it this week. Where does it state that "two bad guys can't have heat with another bad guy." It happens not only in wrestling but in movies all the time. And it's not worth bitching this much about.

 

I can be objective when it comes to Russo. He has crappy ideas just like anyone - That 70's guy, Beaver Cleaver, etc. But when someone sits there and praises the show and doesn't give Russo one ounce of credit and then the first thing he doesn't like the blame gets put directly on Russo, it's bullshit.

 

There is no reason for Storm to be pissed at Harris since Storm himself was the one who was diverting the ref's attention while Harris got low-blowed. If anything, he should have been apologizing to him for that, instead of bitching at him and walking off. Harris did nothing in the match itself to constitute the action of Storm after the match. Like I've already said, it makes you wonder whats going to happen next, but at the same time it makes it hard for fans to get an understanding of these characters at times like this.

 

There's no reason for Storm to be pissed at Harris at all? I guess he had amnesia and forgot that Storm has been wrestling in singles matches and hanging out with the SEX guys in the last few weeks. He didn't do anything in the match itself but the heat has been building for several weeks and tonight, Harris wasn't there for Storm again. It's doesn't mean Storms gonna go heel now. IT's just part of the story. See where it goes before bashing it.

[Guest RedJed]

Two quick point because this is going nowhere anyway........you're not seeing my points anyway, instead its just stuff like "wait and see where it goes" blah blah blah. I've gotten every TNA show since they've started, so it's not turning me off of the product to the point where I'm not going to watch anymore, but I just want some logic and sense to the shows..........nothing like some of the things that went down tonight has happened in awhile, thats all I'm saying. And I NEVER said this was all Russo's work either........whoever did it, doesn't matter, I didn't like it all the same.

 

And I didn't read Meltzers report yet........I had just watched the show again tonight and that stuck out as pretty odd why Lynn and Red would come out to help Styles and Brown. If you would read what I said AS the show was happening, its not like I magically all of a sudden had a problem with it now, after apparently reading a report from Dave Meltzer. This is the kind of garbage that I'm talking about..........if anyone even critizises a show at all that MAY be written by Russo, you got people now that think its not fair. So critizism in general just isnt fair if it has to do with Russo right? Dont be naive, there are TONS of praises of the TNA work lately, by me and others...........I've even said myself if Russo is the reason for it, he deserves props. But dont get all worked up just because a few possible imperfections in his work are less than entertaining or sensical to the masses. It cant all be perfect.

[Guest RedJed]

As for the Kash Stuff - I didn't see the fans getting pissed because "oh my god, a heel attacked a heel. The humanity of it all!!!" They were cheering their asses off and enjoying. And after what happened last week, it made sense. The Harris Boys/Sanders wanted revenge on Kash for Kash beating Sanders. They didn't get it last week so they got it this week. Where does it state that "two bad guys can't have heat with another bad guy." It happens not only in wrestling but in movies all the time. And it's not worth bitching this much about.

 

There's no reason for Storm to be pissed at Harris at all? I guess he had amnesia and forgot that Storm has been wrestling in singles matches and hanging out with the SEX guys in the last few weeks. He didn't do anything in the match itself but the heat has been building for several weeks and tonight, Harris wasn't there for Storm again. It's doesn't mean Storms gonna go heel now. IT's just part of the story. See where it goes before bashing it.

Dont get me wrong, I dont mind it all the time if two heels are against each other, but considering the situation, in that they are trying their damnest and for the most part are doing well at it in getting Kash over as one of the most hated heels in the company, does it make sense then for another heel tag team that is more just the drizzling shits than anything come out and attack him? Like I said I fully expect some weird swerve from all of this and Kash joins SEX next week.........we'll see.

 

About the AMW thing, you completely ingored what I posted before about it.......like I said Harris didn't do anything in that match to provoke that kind of reaction from Storm, which is why I'd consider him more a tweener now more than anything. I wasnt even bashing the damn thing itself (in fact I enjoy the unpredictability of the angle).......I was just stating that obviously both of them are tweeners right now, instead of agreeing with your statement that Storm is apparently still a total babyface. Sheesh!

[Guest EN090]

Two quick point because this is going nowhere anyway........you're not seeing my points anyway, instead its just stuff like "wait and see where it goes" blah blah blah.

 

Cop-out.

 

I've explained why some of those things make sense and I don't see a response from you. Especially for the Lynn/Red/Styles and Kash/Harris boys stuff.

 

And I didn't read Meltzers report yet........I had just watched the show again tonight and that stuck out as pretty odd why Lynn and Red would come out to help Styles and Brown. If you would read what I said AS the show was happening, its not like I magically all of a sudden had a problem with it now, after apparently reading a report from Dave Meltzer. This is the kind of garbage that I'm talking about..........if anyone even critizises a show at all that MAY be written by Russo, you got people now that think its not fair. So critizism in general just isnt fair if it has to do with Russo right? Dont be naive, there are TONS of praises of the TNA work lately, by me and others...........I've even said myself if Russo is the reason for it, he deserves props. But dont get all worked up just because a few possible imperfections in his work are less than entertaining or sensical to the masses. It cant all be perfect.

 

First off, you're talking about some of this stuff not pleasing the MASSES? Are you kidding? You're telling me that the masses are gonna sit there and complain this much because "a heel attacked a heel?"

 

If you read my post, I wasn't talking to you at all. I was talking to the Slapnuts guy who does nothing but bash Russo.

 

And I believe you're the one that snapped at me first, calling me a mark when I was trying to make a point to Slapnuts. Never did I mention anyone else on this board in regards to giving credit or bashing Russo.

 

Like I said - I'll call Russo on some of his bullshit. A lot of the stuff in WCW was really unrealistic like Elizabeth being kidnapped for weeks, Sting being dropped from a 50-foot platform and then coming back a month later, etc. But, ONCE AGAIN, what pisses me off is when someone enjoys a show that is co-written by Russo, doesn't give him an ounce of credit, and the moment they see something they don't like it's Russo's fault.

[Guest RedJed]

First off, you're talking about some of this stuff not pleasing the MASSES? Are you kidding? You're telling me that the masses are gonna sit there and complain this much because "a heel attacked a heel?"   

I've said my viewpoint on why I still dont get the logic of booking that finish in the opener and the thing with Kash-Trinity quite enough, first off. If you think thats a "cop-out" so be it. Lynn and Red still helped out the face team from a further beating, thats the bottom line of that and why it confused me even MORE upon viewing it a second time.

 

Again, I dont know why I have to repeat myself but it sure as hell confused ME when you are trying your damndest to get Kash over as a heel and then you have of all people the Harris Boys come in and beat him up. Dont you get that some people may be confused over that sort of thing considering the circumstances? I'm more just bringing it up still because you cant seem to fathom another viewpoint on the subject. And by the "masses" I mean the people just around here obviously, the ones who if they dont like it or get it, get immediately attacked about it.

[Guest EN090]

About the AMW thing, you completely ingored what I posted before about it.......like I said Harris didn't do anything in that match to provoke that kind of reaction from Storm, which is why I'd consider him more a tweener now more than anything. I wasnt even bashing the damn thing itself (in fact I enjoy the unpredictability of the angle).......I was just stating that obviously both of them are tweeners right now, instead of agreeing with your statement that Storm is apparently still a total babyface. Sheesh!

 

There's no reason for Storm to be pissed at Harris at all? I guess he had amnesia and forgot that Storm has been wrestling in singles matches and hanging out with the SEX guys in the last few weeks. He didn't do anything in the match itself but the heat has been building for several weeks and tonight, Harris wasn't there for Storm again. They built it up like the heat has finally gotten to Storm and he's had enough. It's doesn't mean Storms gonna go heel now. IT's just part of the story. See where it goes before bashing it.

 

And, for the record, you didn't respond to my response about how AJ Styles/Red/Lynn having heat from before had nothing to do with Red/Lynn jumping in the opening match.

 

Dont get me wrong, I dont mind it all the time if two heels are against each other, but considering the situation, in that they are trying their damnest and for the most part are doing well at it in getting Kash over as one of the most hated heels in the company, does it make sense then for another heel tag team that is more just the drizzling shits than anything come out and attack him? Like I said I fully expect some weird swerve from all of this and Kash joins SEX next week.........we'll see.

 

You're telling me that after the Harris Brothers killed Kash with that H-Bomb he was any less over? Did you hear the crowd, dude?

 

It makes sense because they want to see someone beat Kash's ass after he thinks he's all tough by beating on a woman. Who better to do it then two huge, bald badasses who also have heat with Kash and who Kash can't be all "big bad" around. It's like, pick one someone your own size instead of a woman. Except the Harrises are a lot bigger than Kash, LoL.

 

AND NOT ONLY THAT but it leads to Trinity pinning Kash which was, judging by their reaction, MORE THAN worthwhile for the crowd.

[Guest EN090]

I've said my viewpoint on why I still dont get the logic of booking that finish in the opener and the thing with Kash-Trinity quite enough, first off. If you think thats a "cop-out" so be it. Lynn and Red still helped out the face team from a further beating, thats the bottom line of that and why it confused me even MORE upon viewing it a second time.

 

I just watched the tape again - when Red/Lynn hit the ring the only people in the ring were Gilberti, Daniels, and Skipper and they were regrouping. Lynn/Red, who were attacked by Daniels and Skipper last week came out to return the favor and weren't even anywhere close to Styles. And they certainly weren't saving anyone because the three SEX members were in the ring by themselves, regrouping.

 

Again, I dont know why I have to repeat myself but it sure as hell confused ME when you are trying your damndest to get Kash over as a heel and then you have of all people the Harris Boys come in and beat him up. Dont you get that some people may be confused over that sort of thing considering the circumstances? I'm more just bringing it up still because you cant seem to fathom another viewpoint on the subject. And by the "masses" I mean the people just around here obviously, the ones who if they dont like it or get it, get immediately attacked about it.

 

I proved the Harris Brothers thing wrong in the last post.

 

As far as attacking - I wasn't attacking anyone. I thought you were bitching about something ridiculous and just like you had freedom to express your opinion, I'VE got the freedom to express mine at how wrong I think you are. It's nothing personal at all and I'm sorry if I offended you but I'm still going to say what I think.

[Guest HeelSection1]

I wonder if the lads holding up the SD spoilers got their tickets for tonight free while leaving the SD venue last night.

What makes this seemingly ordinary TNAhate post by eirej funny is the report that the pre-paid attendance for SD! last night was only 3,500

Actually we were handing out TNA tickets after smackdown last night.

[Guest PowerPB13]

Anybody got the dark match results? I know some St. Louis-area indy wrestlers who were scheduled to work the XPlosion taping...

 

-Patrick

[Garth 0]

God Damn we need NWA TNA in England before Jarret v Raven happens, i feel like i'm missing out on something special, just reading the build up is making me want to watch this match.

[Guest Insane Bump Machine]

God Damn we need NWA TNA in England before Jarret v Raven happens, i feel like i'm missing out on something special, just reading the build up is making me want to watch this match.

If you have a decent connection you can download the shows via IRC. I do it all the time because there's no chance in hell that Germany gets TNA anytime soon.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

Re: Team Extreme

 

Their attack on Jarrett could be explained as just revenge for Jarrett's comments earlier that night. Jarrett, in his promo earlier, called the ECW Arena "a run-down bingo hall with stupid fans," which I'm sure Team Extreme, whose entire careers were based off of matches held in that "run-down bingo hall," would take offense to that statement.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

I question why TNA didn't run something with any of Team Xtreme where one of them didn't come out at the end. The Team Xtreme vs. Disciples feud can't last forever, so I'm surprised Russo didn't have Saturn, Sandman, or Credible (since Raven has pasts with all thse men) be the odd man out (i.e. "What the fuck were you guys thinking by joining him?) who doesn't conform to the Disciples or Raven.

Looks like Sandman might. He didn't attack Jarrett like the other three did, and he is the only one of the three to rekindle his feud with Raven in TNA.

[Guest RedJed]

Re: Team Extreme

 

Their attack on Jarrett could be explained as just revenge for Jarrett's comments earlier that night. Jarrett, in his promo earlier, called the ECW Arena "a run-down bingo hall with stupid fans," which I'm sure Team Extreme, whose entire careers were based off of matches held in that "run-down bingo hall," would take offense to that statement.

I thought that too, just because I found it so odd at the time that Jarrett would rip on a ex-company that now has a bunch of guys formed as a team in THIS company. I figured just blatantly ripping on ECW would hurt the credibility of those workers.........unless it had meaning. Nice foreshadowing there.

[Guest EN090]

Looks like Sandman might. He didn't attack Jarrett like the other three did, and he is the only one of the three to rekindle his feud with Raven in TNA.

 

That's what I was thinking because he was just standing in the corner while the others were beating Jarrett.

 

They could do a thing where Raven/Sandman are at odds. They could milk it for a couple weeks like, "who is the group going to side with?" They could make it look like Team Extreme is going to side with Sandman but then turn on him and beat the hell out of him while Raven just laughs. Sandman could then go babyface and feud with them.

 

If they want to keep Sandman in the group they it explain it like "the brotherhood of ECW" is bigger then both Raven and Sandman combined so they should put their differences aside "for the brotherhood." Something like that.