X-2 Thoughts

[Guest What?]

They did focus on him for a minute to show that he was too busy pouting and feeling sorry for himself instead of helping. Maybe that'll be something that comes into play in X3. Tension between Iceman and the rest of the them because he didn't do all he could to save her and he has to do something next time around to prove himself. Either that or nothing will come from it at all.

I'm hoping that this also leads to the debut of Gambit. Iceman gets injured while fighting Pyro, but Gambit makes the save. Iceman then runs off and attempts to join another team, like X-Factor or Generation X, thus leaving Gambit and Rogue to have their little thing.

 

 

Back to Gambit, since I mark huge for him: Who do you think they'll get to play him? And if any of you say Lash LeRoux...I am going to hunt you down...

 

 

I personally think that the guy from Murder by Numbers could be good, or Shane "I'm best known for being in a Mandy Moore movie" West. Whoever it is, if he doesn't do a perfect "Mon Ami" voice, I'm going to boycott the following movies.

[Guest raptor]

Ugh... you profess to be a Gambit fan and then pick Shane West and the guy from Murder By Numbers to play him?

 

It has to be Oded Fehr. He has that combination of smooth and slimey that Gambit really needs. Perhaps a little too old for Anna Paquin, but it seems that they're going full steam ahead with Iceman/Rogue (which also has a small basis in the comics).

[Guest raptor]

I read before about Jason Stryker possibly being somewhat of a remake of someone like Mastermind. When I first saw him, it seemed to me that he was more along the lines of Legion. Now, when the X-Men comic series was heading into the Legion Saga story, I had just stopped reading. I'm probably wrong, but when watching, I thought of Legion.

Legion is purely telekinetic, I believe. His warping of reality came about due to some tacked on time-traveling powers. during the Age of Apocalypse.

[Guest What?]

Well, I don't know why I said Shane West...I was just thinking of a guy that could draw in the young girl crowd. Plus, he's in LXG, so he'll have had SOME comic-movie experience. The guy from Murder by Numbers, if he grew out his hair a little bit and beefed up a smidge, could pull off a good Remy LeBeau, IMO.

 

 

and who's Oded Fehr? What movies has he been in?

 

EDIT: *sees Oded's picture on Google*

 

 

NOO!! No, not that guy! FUCK THAT GUY! No...I would MUCH rather see Shane West as Gambit than that fuck!

 

 

 

 

and Go U of O, BTW...great school

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

There isn't room in the X-Men movies for a chracter like Gambit. They already have Wolverine and an actor trying to do a faux Cajun accent won't come off well when executed.

[Guest art_vandelay]

As for Mageto's breakout... It was an awesome scene and all, but why did he break out right there? It seemed as though he could've done it anytime he wanted to. Maybe I'm just looking too far in. I guess he just felt as though he needed to breakout right then and there?

He couldn't have done it at any time, as no one ever brings in metal into his "cell". Mystique injected that guard with some sort of iron/metal substance, and when the guard went in to give Magneto's food to him, he then used his power to extract said substance out of the guard's body (cool as fuck by the way), and he then used it to escape, as you saw how he did so on screen.

But Magneto could just as easily have had Mystique inject the iron into the guard immediately after his capture. Which still leaves the question unanswered as to why he didn't do it earlier?

 

My view:

 

Magneto was waiting for Stryker to complete Cerebro 2, and aided him in doing so by telling him how it was created. Once that was done, Magneto waited for Stryker to carry out his plan to wipe out all mutants using Prof. X and Jason. Magneto knew of Stryker's plan all along, and decided to use it to his own advantage by reversing Jason's command at a later date, which he eventually did.

 

He planned to use Cerebro 2 to wipe out the human race all along. He just waited for Stryker to carry out the dirty work and in the process, fool the X-Men into thinking he was on their side, allowing him to use their help in infiltrating Stryker's base.

Edited May 12, 2003 by art_vandelay

[Guest art_vandelay]

It is questionable why she couldn't do all this IN the ship like when she stopped the rocket from IN the ship.

I don't think Jean can telekinetically lift something she's inside. Just like you or I can't physically lift a cardboard box off of the ground if we were inside of it. Do you know what I mean?

 

She wasn't inside the rocket, so she could lift that. But in order to lift the ship, she'd have to be outside of it.

 

I definitely do not agree with the belief that "she wanted to die." That scene was made to show that Jean sacrificed her own life for her friends, just like how she volunteered to pilot the shuttle through the cosmic storm that killed her in the comic. She doesn't know that she'll be resurrected. She's not Jesus.

 

Or it's questionable why Iceman couldn't just make another big wall around the ship like he did in the house.

The giant rush of water would've probably knocked over any ice wall. And even if he did make an ice enclosing around the Blackbird (I don't like "X-Jet"), they'd still be trapped underwater when the wave settled.

 

I still believe that it was just WAY too much water for a teenaged Iceman occupied with his girlfriend with little "combat" training to deal with.

 

I agree.

[Guest art_vandelay]

And they had Nightcrawler try to save her but he said she was keeping him from teleporting.

 

Heh. Maybe Nightcrawler was just lazy and lied about Jean controlling his mind. Maybe Jean left the ship thinking, "Oh it'll be fine, Kurt will just save me like he did with Rogue." But when the time came, she's like, "What the fuck? No, save me you blue son of a bitch!" And then Nightcrawler goes back to the Mansion and starts getting "friendly" with Scott and Wolverine, if you know what I mean, now that their girl is out of the way.

 

I'd be a perfect candidate for the current Raw writing team.

[The Dames 0]

...MAYBE Nightcrawler realized that Storm has the hots for him and didn't save Jean because he thought she'd cockblock him.

 

Dames

[Guest The Grand Pubah of 1620]

The man throwing out a little bit of spam...gotta love it!

 

I just watched the first X-Men movie since seeing the first. And I am a little disapointed that Sabretooth wasn't in the sequel.

[Guest art_vandelay]

The man throwing out a little bit of spam...gotta love it!

 

I just watched the first X-Men movie since seeing the first.  And I am a little disapointed that Sabretooth wasn't in the sequel.

I felt that Sabretooth was a bit too cartoonish. The wore an ugly ass costume and actually GROWLED. He didn't fit in with the mold of the other slick looking characters. He looked like Beast from the Broadway production of Beauty and The Beast. It might be because a character like Sabretooth just doesn't translate well onto film.

 

Plus, Singer made him look completely incompetent. He fails in capturing Rogue at the beginning, drops Senator Kelly into the river (prompting Magneto to lock him into Kelly's cell, to which Sabretooth responds with a ridiculous sounding "rooaaar"), and chokes his own boss under Charles' mind control. And it's not like Tyler Mane had a lot to offer in terms of acting ability anyway.

 

If they built up his relationship with Logan, I could see them bringing him back. But with this shittier version of Sabretooth, I'm glad they kept him out of the sequel. I'm glad they didn't bring back Toad either.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I don't care about Sabretooth, and I understand about Toad, but I really would like to see Toad in the next one, along with Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch & Avalanche.

 

There was no reason to have a lot of Brotherhood members in this one. I assume Magneto would want somebody continuing his work while he was in prison. Mystique was all he needed to get out.

[Guest eiker_ir]

But Magneto could just as easily have had Mystique inject the iron into the guard immediately after his capture. Which still leaves the question unanswered as to why he didn't do it earlier?

 

remember at the White House, when Senator Kelly (MYstique) hears Stryker talking about Magneto she seems surprised, i think she didn't know where he was locked, that's why she had to get in the computer etc etc

[Guest Lethargic]

But Magneto could just as easily have had Mystique inject the iron into the guard immediately after his capture. Which still leaves the question unanswered as to why he didn't do it earlier?

Mystique didn't know where he was. She didn't know he was being held until she heard it from Stryker. As soon as she found out she broke into Stryker's office, found out where he was and rescued him.

 

I never knew this movie was so hard to follow for people.

[Guest starvenger]

I read before about Jason Stryker possibly being somewhat of a remake of someone like Mastermind. When I first saw him, it seemed to me that he was more along the lines of Legion. Now, when the X-Men comic series was heading into the Legion Saga story, I had just stopped reading. I'm probably wrong, but when watching, I thought of Legion.

Legion is purely telekinetic, I believe. His warping of reality came about due to some tacked on time-traveling powers. during the Age of Apocalypse.

Legion has myriad personalities, all with different powers. The time travelling came about because a) his mind was made whole and he could thus access those powers and b) it was the most "convenient" way to create the Age of Apocalypse reality.

 

I don't think Jean can telekinetically lift something she's inside. Just like you or I can't physically lift a cardboard box off of the ground if we were inside of it. Do you know what I mean?

 

She wasn't inside the rocket, so she could lift that. But in order to lift the ship, she'd have to be outside of it.

In the comic book/cartoon version, there was no way for Jean to go outside of the shuttle, so she HAD to do it from the inside. Plus she was quite confident in her tk powers.

 

In the movie she isn't quite as sure of herself since her powers weren't quite under control. By exiting the ship and "seeing" what she is doing she is able to exert more "control" over what she is trying to do. Is it contrived? Of course it is, but when I realized where they were headed with it I stopped worrying about it.

[Guest raptor]

Sabretooth probably wasn't in this one because the only part for him was a sympathetic one with Magneto and Mystique. That would blow a potential Wolverine spinoff with Sabretooth as the main villain.

 

Oh, and with Oded Fehr, it's all about the attitude, not the looks.

[Guest netslob]

just saw it last night, great flick, just one complaint:

 

Nightcrawler and Mystique. it bugged me through the whole movie. you mean to tell me NOT ONE of them made ANY connection whatsoever between the two, despite the fact they look exactly alike. BULLSHIT! when Nightcrawler went up to her, i thought "OK, NOW we're getting somewhere", but instead he asks her about her powers. i mean christ, does not the fact that two unique-looking people who happen to look so much alike not make ANY kind of connection, and think they may POSSIBLY be related? oh well, maybe in the sequel...

 

otherwise, i have no complaints.

[Guest starvenger]

Nightcrawler and Mystique. it bugged me through the whole movie. you mean to tell me NOT ONE of them made ANY connection whatsoever between the two, despite the fact they look exactly alike. BULLSHIT! when Nightcrawler went up to her, i thought "OK, NOW we're getting somewhere", but instead he asks her about her powers. i mean christ, does not the fact that two unique-looking people who happen to look so much alike not make ANY kind of connection, and think they may POSSIBLY be related? oh well, maybe in the sequel...

 

otherwise, i have no complaints.

Well, it *DID* take some 20-or-so years before they went ahead and did the Nightcrawler-Mystique thing in the comics, so I don't see too many problems there...

[Guest cabbageboy]

Yeah, this movie is kinda hard to follow at times. I used to by a semi X-Men fan and read some of the books, watched the cartoon...and I still had trouble following it some of the time. I can only imagine how someone who didn't see the first movie would react.

[Guest Marshall]

Why all the love for Gambit? I remember he was in the cartoon, and he died. At least I think he died. But all he did was throw cards, what so good about him. I mean I can throw cards, but I'm not that good at shooting lazers from my eyes (yet)!

[Guest art_vandelay]

He has a cool outfit, and he deflowered Rogue.

[Guest Marshall]

He did? What about iceman?

[Guest What?]

and because he's a god amongst insects. Pyro is too, but nowhere near Gambit.

 

 

Also, he threw cards for the effect. In the comics and show, they show him charging up almost anything to throw at his attackers.

 

 

 

Gambit = Badass

[Guest What?]

Iceman didn't do shit to Rogue. That's my main complaint with the X-Movies: They put Rogue with Iceman, who is nowhere near as cool as Gambit. Gambit and Rogue belong together. Iceman had...shit, who did he have?

 

 

 

Psylocke? It was Archangel and Iceman who had Psylocke, right?

[Yuna_Firerose 0]

What the fuck? No, save me you blue son of a bitch!" And then Nightcrawler goes back to the Mansion and starts getting "friendly" with Scott and Wolverine, if you know what I mean

I'm sure I could find such a story in just ten minutes.

 

And it's not like Tyler Mane had a lot to offer in terms of acting ability anyway.

Maybe not, but he was damn sexy...uh, in my opinion, anyway. I just loved the near-hurt looks he'd get, and an *almost* sympathetic expression when he was looking down at Rogue.

 

Oh, I just read an article about X-2 in the latest Entertainment Weekly magazine [Matrix2 cover]. Basically, Storm won't be returning, James Marsden's contract needs to be [re?]negotiated, and Jackman is debating.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Logan's story has been told, so he isn't really pivotal for the next film.

 

I'm glad Berry isn't likely to come back. Her part was well-written this time, and she still sucked. That was a phone-it-in performance if I've ever seen one. We are better without her.

 

However, I do hope Marsden returns. There is so much more they can do with Cyclops, and he was really just a minor character in the first two films. I'd prefer they not re-cast the part either, unless there is no other choice. Dumping the character shouldn't be an option, especially with the next film supposedly focusing on Jean.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Finally watched it last night. Loved the movie, but man... Cyclops was pretty much written as Logan's bitch, though. Really, how are people supposed to give a damn about the Phoenix Saga when the characters it's centered around look like chumps?

 

I know Wolverine's pretty much the most popular one amoung the teeny boppers, but GODDAMN... He and the Rogue/Iceman relationship got WAY too much time in this flick. I'm not trying to sound like a perfectionist about the franchise, but balancing out the camera time(especially considering the apparent focus of the next movie) wouldn't have hurt THAT much.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Well, anybody could tell what plotline they're using for X3 so you can obviously see that Logan's role will be toned down.

 

What?- The Rogue in this movie isn't even the real Rogue anyways, she's more like part of Rogue's powers and look with Jubliee's backstory thrown in. I'm happy with Iceman and Rogue being together because it basically guarantees a Pryo/Iceman showdown in X3.

[Mrnoitaull 0]

Si. That's why he said "too much iron in your blood" right before extracting it.

 

That scene somewhat reminded me of when Magneto ripped out Wolvie's adamantium...only Wolvie's scene would be gorier.

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[Guest art_vandelay]

Iceman didn't do shit to Rogue. That's my main complaint with the X-Movies: They put Rogue with Iceman, who is nowhere near as cool as Gambit. Gambit and Rogue belong together. Iceman had...shit, who did he have?

Polaris