Guest Dmann2000 Report post Posted April 30, 2003 Okay, ignoring the fact that both men aren't the focus of Smackdown in the way that Flair/Steamboat was the focus of 1989 NWA during the first have of the year, would anyone agree with me that 15 years from now young fans will be trying to get DVD's of Angle/Benoit comps much like some of us who didn't catch it back in 89 try to get our hands on Flair/Steamboat comps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetterberg is God 0 Report post Posted April 30, 2003 I'd say so. Just like Steambot vs Flair, there has not been a bad match between these 2 yet. Everytime they face each other, it's always one of the highlights of the event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted April 30, 2003 i'll agree you'd be hard press to find a two most atheletic and wrestling oriented men to feud with than Benoit vs Angle. Probably more skilled in ring than Flair and Steamboat in their day. So I wouldn't disagree but would say Flair was still a character phenom at the time, so was ricky to a lesser extent, and while Angle and Benoit are over they don't have that nyth degree. Least not yet.....Angle is getting closer to it. and Benoit probably already has it, but doesn't get the time needed to kick it over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted April 30, 2003 I'd say so. But they're too on again off again with their feuding Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted April 30, 2003 The biggest detriment, IMO, of these matches are the fact that they aren't billed as truly important matches, unlike the Rumble '03 match. Everytime Flair and Steamboat met, it MEANT something, which added to the aura of the match. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted April 30, 2003 Sadly, I don't think so. The problem is both guys are generally regarded as second-tier superstars while Flair and Steamboat were pretty much the big attraction back in 89. And really, I'd say Rock/Austin would be more thought of as this generation's Flair/Steamboat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted April 30, 2003 In terms of quality, yes it is Angle/Benoit. In terms of everything else, no it is Austin/Rocky. I doubt we'll see a true Flair/Steamboat of this age, as one package, anytime soon in WWE. Not was Flair/Steamboat great in the ring, not only did their every match mean something, but the feud also spanned nearly 20 years. If Angle/Benoit is ever moved to the Main Event for good, and they have a long feud, then we could say so, but not right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted April 30, 2003 In terms of quality, yes it is Angle/Benoit. In terms of everything else, no it is Austin/Rocky. Ditto. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dmann2000 Report post Posted April 30, 2003 (edited) Yeah, but I think Rocky/Austin could be switched with Rocky/HHH too. Still, if anyone's putting together an Angle/Benoit comp, I'd love to have it. Edited April 30, 2003 by Dmann2000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted April 30, 2003 What? That's like crazy talk. Benoit-Angle was a nice series and all but they never did anything to compare to the classic Flair-Steamboat match ups. Hell, Steamboat and Flair learned more about countering each other in one match than Angle and Benoit did in months of battle. Sadly, Angle is never going to develop to the levels that Steamboat did and Benoit is pretty much on the downside of his career and right now can't match Flair could do circa '88. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dmann2000 Report post Posted April 30, 2003 Actually I'd say Angle is the Flair and Benoit is the Steamboat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted April 30, 2003 ^ In terms of role playing, I'd say that's accurate, but lately, those two didn't do anything in the league of what Flair and Steamer were up to. In ten-fifteen years, people are still going to be going for the classic NWA feud. Why? Because the work is classic, the story is classic, and it's presented in a manner that ensures its timelessness. The style isn't like that now. Besides, what were the first few matches in the series all about anyway? "Grr, I don't like you. I'm better." Flair and Steamboat had the richest prize in the sport on the line...At a time when, in America anyway, it WAS. Not to mention the fact that the two were the focal point of the company at the time, and delivered in spades. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted April 30, 2003 Whatever floats your boat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted April 30, 2003 On Wrestling Purist Scale, This will be remembered fondly but not at the levels of Flair/Steamboat but more along the lines of Savage/ Dibiase. This "Classic" series was on and off again and was never the focal aspect of the company as Flair/Steamer was. Storyline wise...Aside from the "Tag Teamers who hate each other but respect each other" angle...They never stood out... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 30, 2003 In the "oh so overrated" catagory, both are up there... It will take A LOT of gushing over the next 10 years to put Angle/Benoit at the levels of Flair/Steaboat, but I think it can be done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted April 30, 2003 I'd love that also Rudo, but I HIGHLY doubt that Kurt Angle will be around in the ring in five years, much less in ten. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ManKinnd Report post Posted April 30, 2003 I've already stated that I've enjoyed the overall product of Benoit/Angle more than Flair/Steamboat. I prefer the style, that beginning matwork of one-upsmanship, where one guy gets the advantage and they break just to stare at each other, and the suplexes, my god the suplexes! Highflying and hard hitting moves are there too. These two truly have it all. Flair/Steamboat was great, granted, but I didn't get those goosebumps that Angle and Benoit give. I think I may make a dvd of all their great matches, just for the hell of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dmann2000 Report post Posted April 30, 2003 ^ In terms of role playing, I'd say that's accurate, but lately, those two didn't do anything in the league of what Flair and Steamer were up to. In ten-fifteen years, people are still going to be going for the classic NWA feud. Why? Because the work is classic, the story is classic, and it's presented in a manner that ensures its timelessness. The style isn't like that now. Besides, what were the first few matches in the series all about anyway? "Grr, I don't like you. I'm better." Flair and Steamboat had the richest prize in the sport on the line...At a time when, in America anyway, it WAS. Not to mention the fact that the two were the focal point of the company at the time, and delivered in spades. Yet in 1989 what got me into wrestling was Savage/Hogan Says a lot about me don't it I was only 9 at the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dmann2000 Report post Posted April 30, 2003 In the "oh so overrated" catagory, both are up there... It will take A LOT of gushing over the next 10 years to put Angle/Benoit at the levels of Flair/Steaboat, but I think it can be done. Oh that's right you're the one who thinks Flair/Steamboat is overrated. When did you start watching Puro, you're 3 years younger than me fer chrissakes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 30, 2003 Oooh 3 years, sorry gramps. Want me to help you pick up the paper cause I know you're getting on in your old age and you don't want to break a hip or anything. And it is overrated. The 'peak' of their feud was in 89 right? Look at what wrestling was like 4 years later and then 4 years before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted April 30, 2003 And it is overrated. The 'peak' of their feud was in 89 right? Look at what wrestling was like 4 years later and then 4 years before. I'm not following. What are you referring to specifically as far as the 4 year window thing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted April 30, 2003 The type of wrestling style they wrestled. In 1993 the work done was more 'above' the work done in Steamboat/Flair than Steamboat/Flair was to the work 4 years before it. In other words - wrestling evolves seemingly every year into something better than it was in the previous years. IMO Kobashi/Hansen from 93 blows anything Flair/Steamboat did in 89 out of the water. Given the 4 years difference that could be expected. But, I also think that Tsuruta/Tenryu from 88 was better than any Steamboat/Flair match from 89. I look at the Steamboat/Flair matches and I see FANTASTIC workrate and HOT crowds... but that's about it. Their 2/3 falls match was basically 3 of the same matches in one match... just a different ending to each. Maybe I am a mark for moveset, but that shit gets tired after awhile. I am also a mark for being heads-and-shoulders above everyone and thing else at the time. I like the innovators. I don't see this in Flair/Steamboat. They take the old-style match and add great workrate, they didn't create anything especially new. They did,'t create anything that can't be surpassed 4 years later, or even one year earlier. Which is not to say that I didn't *like* the matches, I just wouldn't go out handing them *****. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted April 30, 2003 So like what North American series of matches would you place above Steamboat-Flair if any? I'm merely curious if you're calling the series overrated because it gets a whole lot of "World's Greatest Matches" press instead of "NWA/WWF Greatest Matches" press or if just you think the whole thing sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dmann2000 Report post Posted April 30, 2003 Oooh 3 years, sorry gramps. Want me to help you pick up the paper cause I know you're getting on in your old age and you don't want to break a hip or anything. And it is overrated. The 'peak' of their feud was in 89 right? Look at what wrestling was like 4 years later and then 4 years before. Where in my post did I insult you? I was just joking around, there is absolutely no need to be a smart ass about this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dmann2000 Report post Posted April 30, 2003 And I have no problem with your opinion of Flair/Steamboat, it's your opinion, I just remembered you were they guy who felt it was overrated that's all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EternallyLazy Report post Posted April 30, 2003 If you read every great modern wrestler's list of "my favorite matches that I wasn't involved in" Flair/Steamboat is on that list... and I think there's a reason for that. I would watch Flair/Steamboat ANYDAY over puro. I've tried getting into Puro, and I marvel at the athletic ability, but it doesn't hold my interest because I could care less about the wrestler's involved. That's just my opinion of course As for Benoit/Angle as this generations Flair/Steamboat? A part of me wants to say yes... and a part of me wants to say no. I love the Benoit/Angle series, but I don't love them nearly as much as the epic Steamboat/Angle matches. I'm a movie lover, so I compare it to Scorsese and Spielberg movies. I love both directors, but I think there's more art to a Scorsese film... Steamboat/Flair to me just has more style than Angle/Benoit because every move, every action seems to make sense psychology wise. A question though... one sequence I absolutely love, is when Flair and Steamboat would do the whip into the ropes, shoulderblock leapfrog spot, and when Flair woud drop to the ground expecting Steamer to jump over him, Steamer just falls to the ground putting Flair into a headlock... but I have NEVER seen this move emulated in modern matches and I don't understand why! It's brilliant! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted April 30, 2003 RVD used to pull this off in ECW with a Standing Moonsault instead... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted April 30, 2003 in terms of quality, i think it's a little closer to hart/austin than flair-steamboat. there's two big american MOTYs, and a string of lesser matches. although the best angle/benoit certainly doesn't equal SS 96 or wrestlemania 97. flair/steamboat > hart/austin > angle/benoit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dmann2000 Report post Posted April 30, 2003 To be third to that company is nothing to sneeze at though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted April 30, 2003 of course not. i'm just saying it's not quite as good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
