Undertaker interview

[Guest JRE]

We respect beyond belief all the workers who DO watch tapes, but something tells me, guys like Albert dont even watch their own matches.

God, shut up. You can respect and love all you want- but the whining bitch side of your personality shines through a lot more.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

Just so we're on the clear....you're not saying that I don't know what I'm talking about, right? 

 

Dames

I think he's just saying that the TSM staff doesn't come across as being wrestling know-it-alls.

What he said. Please Dames, do you honestly think I would hold Scott Keith up as the pinnacle of wrestling knowledge? The guys at TSM simply seem to have more of a grasp on the reality of a situation and less of a chip on their shoulder regarding our opinions.

No, I wasn't saying that you think Keith is god's gift to wrestling knowledge. I know better than that.

 

I was just clarifying to myself because the way it was written, it almost came across as our inexperience and/or possibly lack of knowledge shows.

 

Dames

Basically he's saying that your love for wrestling still shines through and you aren't as jaded and formalistic as Keith.

[Guest EternallyLazy]

I understand and agree with Taker on almost everything he said. I've been on the internet wrestling scene for a pretty long time, and I gotta agree... the IWC is filled to the brim with people that think they're experts just because they read the observer. It's ridiculous, and although I do dissagree with the "just shut up and watch" philosophy, and I don't like the direction of the company right now, I feel that even when they do put on a good show or they do find some direction, many continue to bitch. Take Scott Keith for example... if a show is really good, you read his review and about 99.9% of it is ripping the entire episode apart... until the veeeery end when he'll write "pretty good show" leaving the reader thinking "what the fuck?!?"

[Guest Kid Kablam]

We respect beyond belief all the workers who DO watch tapes, but something tells me, guys like Albert dont even watch their own matches.

God, shut up. You can respect and love all you want- but the whining bitch side of your personality shines through a lot more.

ok, he comes off a wee bit bitter in one line of a very long post which made several compelling arguments. You come off like a whining bitch for the length of your post, and use your time to bash another poster. Good job.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

"They need to remember that we do this for their entertainment and should stop critiquing and enjoy it for what it is. "

 

Problem is, YOUR NOT ENTERTAINING, YOU'RE FUCKING BORING AND I DONT WANT TO WATCH A 50 YEAR OLD MAN FIGHT ANOTHER 50 YEAR OLD MAN, thats NOT entertaining, its an insult to my intellegence. I want people who know what the term WORKRATE is. Not punch kick punch kick.

 

Truthfully, I think the vast majority of us on this board ARE experts. We watch more wrestling then most of the WWE people due. Fuck, the WWE has openly stated, they didnt watch WCW.

 

We see the product, we LOVE the product, we study the product, WE GIVE A FUCK about the product, while guys like Kevin Nash, only care about the perks and the pay checks.(Hell, he said he did on the A&E behind closed doors special) We respect beyond belief all the workers who DO watch tapes, but something tells me, guys like Albert dont even watch their own matches.

 

And while I may have never steped into a ring, I hopefully will one day, I bet, after watching wrestling for nearly 20 years, I can put a match together. I mean its not rocket science, and its not a teachable trade, its something you LEARN, and you learn it from WATCHING, which a lot of us on the board have done.

 

I doubt Mr. Taker even knows there is wrestling in other countries.

 

Im sick and tired of the WWE thinking we dont know shit about wrestling, HELLO, most of us have been watching it since BIRTH. I have been watching since i was 3, that means Ive seen 18 years of pro wrestling. Sure I may not have gone into a ring, but its not hard to figure out Steamboat Flair kicks way more ass and looks better and more believeable then Taker Kane vs Kronic.

 

Thats what bothers me so much about the WWE, its pretty obvious most of the talent, and staff, are NOT pro wrestling fans, they only see it as a job with a check. Fuck them.

plain and simple, dude your the fucking man!!!!!!!

[Guest TheGame2705]

but something tells me, guys like Albert dont even watch their own matches.

 

Fuck you buddy honestly. There was no reason to bring him up in this at all. And it's very fucking obvious he watches his own matches as he always tries to change stuff up from last time usually. Seen the matches he's had with the same person more than once, they're more than likely usually different so shut up with your stupid rant. Undertaker's talking about YOU.

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I damn well agree with Taker. Some people can never be pleased and think everything would work so much better with the stuff they think about.

 

"Taker doesn't sell" What does he do? He visibly sells more

 

"Taker is slow and plodding" Hard to be fast when you have a bad groin and knees....who got lazy legs now?

 

"Taker is punch kick punch kick" Taker now uses plenty of submissions and has actually good strikes

 

"Taker is old" How many horribly old men do you know that can tight rope walk?

 

It's funny to see everyone twist his words too?

probably the WWE in the future will progress into a whole less entertainment and a lot more hard fought battles

 

He NEVER said "WWE will evovle into more wrestling". He just said more hard fought battles, less entertainment. He never said "WWE will evolve into nothing but a show involving matwork with Eddy Guerrero"....

AND even if he did say it would turn into more wrestling, he never said he thought it was a good idea if it did. He might not want it to.

 

Keep on rollin' deadman,

[Guest Goodear]

And people wonder why The Undertaker and others like him don't take the internet seriously. Let us look at the post again shall we?

 

Problem is, YOUR NOT ENTERTAINING, YOU'RE FUCKING BORING AND I DONT WANT TO WATCH A 50 YEAR OLD MAN FIGHT ANOTHER 50 YEAR OLD MAN, thats NOT entertaining, its an insult to my intellegence. I want people who know what the term WORKRATE is. Not punch kick punch kick.

 

Just because you know a term like work rate does not make you all that intelligent, especially since work rate is just about the worst freaking way to judge someone's talent on anyway. Secondly, The Undertaker (while not a huge draw by any stretch) is still impressively over and has been for quite a number of years, showing that while he might not entertain you per say, he entertains many. Which is just about what he said anyway when he said that some internet folks think they know how the business "should be run".

 

Truthfully, I think the vast majority of us on this board ARE experts. We watch more wrestling then most of the WWE people due. Fuck, the WWE has openly stated, they didnt watch WCW.

 

I watched a whole lot of WCW but that doesn't make me an expert on anything. An expert is someone with a tremendous amount of knowledge regarding a subject, not some guy who turned on the television.

 

We see the product, we LOVE the product, we study the product, WE GIVE A FUCK about the product, while guys like Kevin Nash, only care about the perks and the pay checks.(Hell, he said he did on the A&E behind closed doors special) We respect beyond belief all the workers who DO watch tapes, but something tells me, guys like Albert dont even watch their own matches.

 

Nash treats wrestling like a business because it is a business. I'm sure he has days were he loves his job and days he doesn't. But at the end of his career when he's riddled with injuries, Kevin Nash needs to make sure he can pay bills and such hopefully for the rest of his life. You can aford to romantically look at wrestling as a fan, he's got to make what he can when he can. And stop trying to pretend like A-Train is somehow a slacker. The guy hasn't taken a vacation in something like four years and generally works hard. Just because you don't find him talented doesn't mean shit.

 

And while I may have never steped into a ring, I hopefully will one day, I bet, after watching wrestling for nearly 20 years, I can put a match together. I mean its not rocket science, and its not a teachable trade, its something you LEARN, and you learn it from WATCHING, which a lot of us on the board have done.

 

Dude, I say this with the utmost sincerity, it's a lot easier said than done. I know that a superplex is an exciting move that would probably pop the crowd and pay off previous back work. That does not mean that I can actually lift someone to do it or protect them on the way down or even not knock out my back in the process.

 

I doubt Mr. Taker even knows there is wrestling in other countries.

 

Don't be so fucking silly.

 

Im sick and tired of the WWE thinking we dont know shit about wrestling, HELLO, most of us have been watching it since BIRTH. I have been watching since i was 3, that means Ive seen 18 years of pro wrestling. Sure I may not have gone into a ring, but its not hard to figure out Steamboat Flair kicks way more ass and looks better and more believeable then Taker Kane vs Kronic.

 

You know how a match should look. You don't and can't know a great number of things that have to go into the actual production of said match. You can't know how the match was planned or what was tossed out at the last minute or the editorial dictations that went into it. I have watched movies all my life, but i don't know shit about what actually goes into them (and I've seen those making of vigenettes).

 

Thats what bothers me so much about the WWE, its pretty obvious most of the talent, and staff, are NOT pro wrestling fans, they only see it as a job with a check. Fuck them.

 

Well it is their job and their pay check. They are the ones that have to train and fly around the country and public appearences and a whole lot of shit you never even think about that is not fun and would wear most of us down to a nub in three months. Don't pretend you are this great defender of the sanctity of wrestling because it just isn't true.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

Hey! no more A-Train bashing!

 

Love and Mercy

[Guest notJames]

"Taker is old" How many horribly old men do you know that can tight rope walk?

Not for nothing, but there doesn't take much skill to walk a rope if someone on the ground is holding your hand.

 

Other than that, I think whoever interviewed Taker was fishing for specific responses and comments, so he went the easy route and threw the old IWC and HHH softball questions at him. I mean, what else would he have said when confronted with those queries?

 

That's great "journalism".

[Murmuring Beast 0]

I think it does take great skill. I was watching with my dad, who is over 50, and he said, "My God, how many giant people his age can do that!" I agreed with him.

 

Undertaker may not be a great wrestler, but he is still hugely popular, is improving his style and has provided us with one of the greatest gimmicks of our time.

 

I hope you never step inside a ring because I would laugh at you and call you a good for nothing sloth, hoss, workrate-less, bitch.

 

Love and Mercy.

[Guest TheGame2705]

An expert is someone with a tremendous amount of knowledge regarding a subject, not some guy who turned on the television.

 

Very nicely put. This should be a common quote from now on.

 

And not for nothing, but regardless if someone is holding your hand, you still need balance. I also find it funny complaining about Taker's age. He's only 41 and got into WWE at 28. Maybe if he wasn't being wasted on Kamala, Gonzalez, Sid, Bundy, IRS, etc. and started getting somewhere before he got into his mid to late 30's people wouldn't complain so much about him being old and on top.

[Guest mst3krules]

Actually, the Undertaker is 38 years old. He was born in 1965, which made him 25 when he came into the WWF/E.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Actually, the Undertaker is 38 years old. He was born in 1965, which made him 25 when he came into the WWF/E.

Really? I've read he was born in '62.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

I actually don't think Taker is that bad. I like that he's trying to work new stuff in, and despite his age he is still more agile and mobile than quite a few people in the WWE. I just think it's ironic that he's predicting a wrestling based product in the future and then bashes smarks for wanting a wrestling based product.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I think the reason that people complain about Undertaker's age is because he's been with the company so long, it makes him seem older.

 

I know Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit are in their 30s too (possibly mid, maybe late) but few people complain about them being "too old".

 

And Booker T's getting up there as well...

[Guest TheGame2705]

I actually don't think Taker is that bad. I like that he's trying to work new stuff in, and despite his age he is still more agile and mobile than quite a few people in the WWE. I just think it's ironic that he's predicting a wrestling based product in the future and then bashes smarks for wanting a wrestling based product.

He NEVER said "WWE will evovle into more wrestling". He just said more hard fought battles, less entertainment. He never said "WWE will evolve into nothing but a show involving matwork with Eddy Guerrero"....

[Guest Rob Edwards]

I don't think it's Takers age thats the problem, just the staleness and the speed he wrestles as

 

Hell I loved Flair at his age

[Guest The Hamburglar]

Well. most people on the net don't like Taker. So, is there any real problem with him not liking Internet fans? What's he supposed to do, lie and profess to love all these people who think he sucks? Besides, the question invited it. And I'm feeling relatively benign towards Taker at the moment, on the basis of that quite funksome tag match he had with Lesnar vs the FBI the other week. It warmed the cockles of my heart.

[Murmuring Beast 0]

The Undertaker can be very likeable, although I hated his comeback run in 2000. Whoo, that stunk.

 

Love and Mercy.

[Guest TheGame2705]

Well. most people on the net don't like Taker. So, is there any real problem with him not liking Internet fans? What's he supposed to do, lie and profess to love all these people who think he sucks? Besides, the question invited it. And I'm feeling relatively benign towards Taker at the moment, on the basis of that quite funksome tag match he had with Lesnar vs the FBI the other week. It warmed the cockles of my heart.

Very valid. He's wrong for not liking us and saying we don't know anything about what we do but we're right for hating him and saying he doesn't know anything about what he does.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Taker said that MMA is the wave of the future (WAVE OF THE FUTURE!) and that in the future the WWE will change their product to become more like it.

[Guest Sakura]

I don't need to be an expert. I know what I like. I know what I find good.

 

WWE's job is to entertain me. To put on matches that I like and that I want to pay to see. Their job is not to entertain experts, "the boys" or the "front office". Screw Undertaker, Bradshaw, HHH and the others who have that mentality. I hope they all lose their jobs.

[Guest Human Fly]

Hahahaha....Taker wants to be in the UFC.

 

He'd get killed in 3.4 seconds.

That's what I thought too. If 'Taker had a UFC fight it would sound like Rice Krispies.

[Rendclaw 0]

Folks, this all stemmed from when WCW and ECW went under and Vince became a big fish in suddenly a very small pond. He did not have to WORK himself and the people under him for your entertainment dollar, and a few years down the road, THIS is the result.

 

Even though I have been watching wrestling for 25 years, I don't consider myself an expert. Just a fan. I can see more than the average fan, because I know what to look for. But thats about it.

 

The E is on a downswing, and we can blame HHH all we want for his political power in the company and on top of that marrying the boss' daughter, which of course would lead to him having a lot more stroke.... but I will say it until the day I die (or until things change for the better, whichever comes first), it is Vince's fault more than anyone else... he is the one who became bitter and decided to put out what HE wants to see as opposed to putting out something the fans can see and get behind... that is the reason for the low ratings and turnouts at live events. If he ever cared about putting out what the fans wanted to see, at some point he stopped caring.

 

That's why the E is in danger of collapsing outright.

 

In this digital age, people can make their likes and dislikes known a lot more readily, and there are your so-called experts out there who think their world is the gospel, coming down to inform the masses on a beam of sunlight. I can't blame the talent for feeling as they do, though they take it to an extreme. In the end they can only do so much with what they are given by the writers, who are to blame for a LOT of problems in the E today. they know if they deviate too far from what is written for them, they will get buried or even fired.

 

And my final point: These people are paid a LOT of money to do what they do. Six and seven figure salaries. In the final analysis, it is a job just like any other, and as was said before, sometimes these people love their jobs, sometimes they hate them.

 

Out.

[Guest OnlyMe]

WWE's job is to entertain me. To put on matches that I like and that I want to pay to see.

 

Isn't it to entertain the majority? Of course, they aren't doing that either, so what can you do?

 

Nik

[Guest Thunder Rising!!!]

And people wonder why The Undertaker and others like him don't take the internet seriously. Let us look at the post again shall we?

 

Problem is, YOUR NOT ENTERTAINING, YOU'RE FUCKING BORING AND I DONT WANT TO WATCH A 50 YEAR OLD MAN FIGHT ANOTHER 50 YEAR OLD MAN, thats NOT entertaining, its an insult to my intellegence. I want people who know what the term WORKRATE is. Not punch kick punch kick.

 

Just because you know a term like work rate does not make you all that intelligent, especially since work rate is just about the worst freaking way to judge someone's talent on anyway. Secondly, The Undertaker (while not a huge draw by any stretch) is still impressively over and has been for quite a number of years, showing that while he might not entertain you per say, he entertains many. Which is just about what he said anyway when he said that some internet folks think they know how the business "should be run".

 

Truthfully, I think the vast majority of us on this board ARE experts. We watch more wrestling then most of the WWE people due. Fuck, the WWE has openly stated, they didnt watch WCW.

 

I watched a whole lot of WCW but that doesn't make me an expert on anything. An expert is someone with a tremendous amount of knowledge regarding a subject, not some guy who turned on the television.

 

We see the product, we LOVE the product, we study the product, WE GIVE A FUCK about the product, while guys like Kevin Nash, only care about the perks and the pay checks.(Hell, he said he did on the A&E behind closed doors special) We respect beyond belief all the workers who DO watch tapes, but something tells me, guys like Albert dont even watch their own matches.

 

Nash treats wrestling like a business because it is a business. I'm sure he has days were he loves his job and days he doesn't. But at the end of his career when he's riddled with injuries, Kevin Nash needs to make sure he can pay bills and such hopefully for the rest of his life. You can aford to romantically look at wrestling as a fan, he's got to make what he can when he can. And stop trying to pretend like A-Train is somehow a slacker. The guy hasn't taken a vacation in something like four years and generally works hard. Just because you don't find him talented doesn't mean shit.

 

And while I may have never steped into a ring, I hopefully will one day, I bet, after watching wrestling for nearly 20 years, I can put a match together. I mean its not rocket science, and its not a teachable trade, its something you LEARN, and you learn it from WATCHING, which a lot of us on the board have done.

 

Dude, I say this with the utmost sincerity, it's a lot easier said than done. I know that a superplex is an exciting move that would probably pop the crowd and pay off previous back work. That does not mean that I can actually lift someone to do it or protect them on the way down or even not knock out my back in the process.

 

I doubt Mr. Taker even knows there is wrestling in other countries.

 

Don't be so fucking silly.

 

Im sick and tired of the WWE thinking we dont know shit about wrestling, HELLO, most of us have been watching it since BIRTH. I have been watching since i was 3, that means Ive seen 18 years of pro wrestling. Sure I may not have gone into a ring, but its not hard to figure out Steamboat Flair kicks way more ass and looks better and more believeable then Taker Kane vs Kronic.

 

You know how a match should look. You don't and can't know a great number of things that have to go into the actual production of said match. You can't know how the match was planned or what was tossed out at the last minute or the editorial dictations that went into it. I have watched movies all my life, but i don't know shit about what actually goes into them (and I've seen those making of vigenettes).

 

Thats what bothers me so much about the WWE, its pretty obvious most of the talent, and staff, are NOT pro wrestling fans, they only see it as a job with a check. Fuck them.

 

Well it is their job and their pay check. They are the ones that have to train and fly around the country and public appearences and a whole lot of shit you never even think about that is not fun and would wear most of us down to a nub in three months. Don't pretend you are this great defender of the sanctity of wrestling because it just isn't true.

Good points made as you made the topic starter sound like a puro watching, wwe bashing smark.

[Guest Sakura]

Isn't it to entertain the majority?

Yeah. I meant it as "the wrestling fan". All of us "experts".

 

I'd be different if like Nash was drawing in all these casuals fans.

 

 

I am tired of the company line being that if you're not enjoying their show there's something wrong with you. You're just trying to be negative. You don't know what you're talking about. UT has been in the ring so he knows entertaining TV. I should just enjoy it.

 

Whatever. Fuck you, taker.

[Guest cynicalprofit]

And people wonder why The Undertaker and others like him don't take the internet seriously.  Let us look at the post again shall we?

 

Problem is, YOUR NOT ENTERTAINING, YOU'RE FUCKING BORING AND I DONT WANT TO WATCH A 50 YEAR OLD MAN FIGHT ANOTHER 50 YEAR OLD MAN, thats NOT entertaining, its an insult to my intellegence. I want people who know what the term WORKRATE is. Not punch kick punch kick.

 

Just because you know a term like work rate does not make you all that intelligent, especially since work rate is just about the worst freaking way to judge someone's talent on anyway.  Secondly, The Undertaker (while not a huge draw by any stretch) is still impressively over and has been for quite a number of years, showing that while he might not entertain you per say, he entertains many.  Which is just about what he said anyway when he said that some internet folks think they know how the business "should be run".

I do not judge soley on workrate, its just hearing JR try to say the slow plodding style is on purpose is so lame its not even funny. But how long can taker keep going? If Flair had retired in 90 and put Sting over, Sting would have been a god in wrestling, but Flair is STILL around(and yes I am a Flair fan) and he never let Sting reach that truly top status. Same think with Taker, if he had put over Jeff Hardy in the ladder match, Jeff would have been huge, but taker wouldn't. So Jeff kept dying. (And in retrospect, its probabaly for the best he didnt, but Jeff would have been a star.)

 

Truthfully, I think the vast majority of us on this board ARE experts. We watch more wrestling then most of the WWE people due. Fuck, the WWE has openly stated, they didnt watch WCW.

 

I watched a whole lot of WCW but that doesn't make me an expert on anything.  An expert is someone with a tremendous amount of knowledge regarding a subject, not some guy who turned on the television.

But after watch all that WCW cant you tell the difference between a good match and a bad one, it shouldnt be that hard to figure out after watching guys like Ice Train. But pro wrestling is a visual sport, so watching it helps you understand it, and dont they show it on TV which is a visual medium?

 

We see the product, we LOVE the product, we study the product, WE GIVE A FUCK about the product, while guys like Kevin Nash, only care about the perks and the pay checks.(Hell, he said he did on the A&E behind closed doors special) We respect beyond belief all the workers who DO watch tapes, but something tells me, guys like Albert dont even watch their own matches.

 

Nash treats wrestling like a business because it is a business.  I'm sure he has days were he loves his job and days he doesn't.  But at the end of his career when he's riddled with injuries, Kevin Nash needs to make sure he can pay bills and such hopefully for the rest of his life.  You can aford to romantically look at wrestling as a fan, he's got to make what he can when he can.  And stop trying to pretend like A-Train is somehow a slacker.  The guy hasn't taken a vacation in something like four years and generally works hard.  Just because you don't find him talented doesn't mean shit.

Nash doesnt care about anyone but Nash, its the same problem Hogan had and in case you forgot, that egomania helped kill WCW. Nash will be around for like another 5 years or so, and Im willing to bet he wont put anyone over before he leaves, therefore, he'll bury his spot and help no one. So fuck him. Albert has improved, slightly, Ill admit it, and he hasnt commited Mark Henery sins yet, but something tells me, the guy is not willing to improve, just like other guys on the top.*COUGHHOGANHHHNASH*

 

And while I may have never steped into a ring, I hopefully will one day, I bet, after watching wrestling for nearly 20 years, I can put a match together. I mean its not rocket science, and its not a teachable trade, its something you LEARN, and you learn it from WATCHING, which a lot of us on the board have done.

 

Dude, I say this with the utmost sincerity, it's a lot easier said than done.  I know that a superplex is an exciting move that would probably pop the crowd and pay off previous back work.  That does not mean that I can actually lift someone to do it or protect them on the way down or even not knock out my back in the process.

Yes, easier said then done, but this is one dream I have been chasing and hasnt died yet, despite my interest in North American pro wrestling. Sides, I can do pretty much every move Nash can do, along with Gilbert, hell Hogan doesnt do moves that any 8 year old cant do.

 

I doubt Mr. Taker even knows there is wrestling in other countries.

 

Don't be so fucking silly. 

Have you ever heard him talk about NJPW or FMW or BJPW or any japanese wrestling superstars? I have not.

 

Im sick and tired of the WWE thinking we dont know shit about wrestling, HELLO, most of us have been watching it since BIRTH. I have been watching since i was 3, that means Ive seen 18 years of pro wrestling. Sure I may not have gone into a ring, but its not hard to figure out Steamboat Flair kicks way more ass and looks better and more believeable then Taker Kane vs Kronic.

 

You know how a match should look.  You don't and can't know a great number of things that have to go into the actual production of said match.  You can't know how the match was planned or what was tossed out at the last minute or the editorial dictations that went into it.  I have watched movies all my life, but i don't know shit about what actually goes into them (and I've seen those making of vigenettes).

If its so hard to do it, how come there are so many wrestling schools out there? What seperates Roland Alexander from VKM other then status of big fish in small pound and small fish in big pound. Arent they both laying out pro wrestling matches? And its only hard because you've been told its hard, its not. Same with making a movie, its not hard, it just requires a lot of work. Dont believe the propaganda. ANd if its so hard, why are there so many pro wrestlers out there?

 

Thats what bothers me so much about the WWE, its pretty obvious most of the talent, and staff, are NOT pro wrestling fans, they only see it as a job with a check. Fuck them.

 

Well it is their job and their pay check.  They are the ones that have to train and fly around the country and public appearences and a whole lot of shit you never even think about that is not fun and would wear most of us down to a nub in three months.  Don't pretend you are this great defender of the sanctity of wrestling because it just isn't true.

Well why is it that Benoit and Angle go out there and can bust ass, move quickly, and get A STANDING OVATION after matches, but guys like Nash and Taker dont? Why is it when I bitch about things like this im told, awe your just a stupid internet mark? Yet I watch the product, I care about the product enough to know, hey these net people buy our stuff and watch our show, maybe we should listen to them instead of just out and out bashing them.

 

I dont like being told, shut up and like it because we say so, thats the same line of thinking WCW used, and they died because of it. I try to defend pro wrestling because not many out there try to. (Hell the book has chapater titles, its just not written yet) Someone needs to stand up to the WWE machine and say, look, the old ways are old, and you're becomming WCW version 2.0, and since most of your top guys played politics to get to the top spot, you're not looking at a healthy future. You have a unique product, wrestling, but you refuse to use it. STOP and start using it.

 

Im just so sick and tired of the WWE shitting on us and treating us like total crap. Hello, WE CARE, yet to them, we dont even matter.

 

It should also be noted, WWF and WCW BOTH hired Vince Russo.

Edited June 13, 2003 by cynicalprofit

[Guest EternallyLazy]

I'm not a Taker mark but I don't really get where some of you call him a bad worker... watch an Undertaker match now and then watch an Undertaker match 10 years ago. Now sure, his gimmick then was to completely no-sell, so that's understandable... but he is actually quite good for a guy his size. Now sure, I don't think he's much of a workrate ring general like Chris Benoit, but he's pretty damn good, and most of the criticism here is unfair and unwarranted.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

Have you ever heard him talk about NJPW or FMW or BJPW or any japanese wrestling superstars? I have not.

When do you hear/see *any* WWE guys talk about Japanese wrestling stars?

 

You'd have to be pretty thick to believe that Taker isn't aware of wrestling in other countries.

 

"Gosh dang, they have wrestling in Japan? Well, if that don't beat the flies off a horse. Next you'll tell me they have wrestling in Mexico, too."