Guest ManKinnd Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Bad Blood is this Sunday, so here's some match predictions: La Resistance vs. RVD/Kane - *1/2. No one here seems very motivated, and the matches among these 4 on Raw have not exactly blown me away. Dupree seems talented enough, but he still needs to find his niche. This looks to just be a reasont to get the titles of RVD and Kane so they can FINALLY split. Christian vs. Booker T - **1/2. I think Booker will try hard here with it being his hometown and all, but Christian has been the resthold king for months now, and his mic skills can't carry him in the ring. I'd hope for short and energetic to hide Christian's weaknesses. Steiner vs. Test - 1/4*. Will be the worst match of the night I'm sure. We know both of these men suck HARD, so I'm looking for a well developed finish to give SOME redeeming value here. Stone Cold vs. Eric Bischoff - This isn't really a match, but for comedic/total entertainment value I'd guess around **. Austin's pretty funny on Raw, but Eric has the charisma of a brick wall. Chris Jericho vs. Goldberg - **. Jericho wants to carry EVERYONE on Raw, so this shouldn't be much different. My only fear is that Goldberg will destroy Jericho after 30 seconds of offense. Ric Flair vs. HBK - ****. Oh yea baby! I know they're both old and semi-retired, but these two have a lot of respect for each other, so my guess is they'll both put on their bumping shoes and give us a show stealer. We saw how much Flair got out of Triple-frigging-H, so having a guy who's still willing to go all out on PPV should make for a great combination. HHH vs. Nash - **1/2. If Raw is any indication, Foley will bump all around for these guys to cover up for the shitting brawling that will most certainly take place, but give us a manly blade job from Hunter, some cool spots, and I think this could be watchable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mecha Mummy 0 Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Dudleyz vs. Nowinski/Mack - * 3/4. Shouldn't be horrible. That said, it wont' be good. La Resistance vs. RVD/Kane - *1/2. I agree here. Dupree is all right but Grenier is weak. This won't be good. Christian vs. Booker T - **3/4. Christian will most likely drop the restholds, because if he doesn't, he is fucked in my opinion. The match won't be great but it'll be decent enough. Steiner vs. Test - *. Test frequently delivers on big matches and Steiner isn't as bad as he was against Hunter now. They're still bad, though. Stone Cold vs. Eric Bischoff - For entertainment value? ** 1/2 at best. It's just stupid humor. Chris Jericho vs. Goldberg - **. Jericho will do everything in his power to make it good. Ric Flair vs. HBK - ***. Should be good, but NOT **** worthy. HHH vs. Nash - *, and that will be for Mick's bumping only. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Top 4 I think the same about. Jericho/Goldberg - ***-***1/2 I think Jericho will bring his working boots and want to drag Goldberg's best match out of him just as a bit of a Fuck You for not working with him before. Michaels/Flair - **-**1/2 I just don't see it clicking Nash/HHH - *1/2 - ** HHH will want to make his friend look decent, the cell adds a little, Foley adds the most Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted June 12, 2003 The French Guys vs. RVD/Kane- Won't go over *1/2 Christian vs. Booker T- Could hit *** if both guys work hard and sell well. Steiner vs. Test- DUD Austin vs. Bischoff- Isn't a match, but based on what it's booked to be, it can reach ***1/2 because Bischoff can be entertaining as hell and Austin is, well, Austin. Jericho vs. Goldberg- Depends on how it's booked, but it looks like it will be on sided in favor of Goldberg. If Jericho feels it and sells/bumps well for Bill, than I can see it reaching *** Flair vs. HBK- ***3/4 and that's basically it. I'm tempted to give a higher rating prediction based on their overall skill and experience, but I think it probably will be MOTN if both men work extremely hard. Triple H vs. Nash- Not even Foley can cover up the *1/2 mess that this will be. To make it anything watchable, they'll have to overbook it to hell, and when the WWE creative does that, we all know how matches go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ManKinnd Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Ric Flair vs. HBK - ***. Should be good, but NOT **** worthy. I can dream can't I? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 12, 2003 La Resistance vs. RVD/Kane : **1/4 - the WWE tag formula can generally hide weaknesses, RVD and Kane both have their spots that the crowd likes, and this will be short enough not to bore the fans. Christian vs. Booker T : **1/2. (maybe ***) I don't really have all that much confidence in either mans wrestling ability. They could have a fun match if they got inventive with it, but I don't see that happening. Steiner vs. Test - ??? : if they keep this to being 4 minutes long - 2 minutes being Stacy undressing - and the other 2 being their regular spots, it might not be a car wreck.... anything more and we're into -* territory. Stone Cold vs. Eric Bischoff - Good lord this is stupid. Chris Jericho vs. Goldberg : *** I think Jericho can do it. Ric Flair vs. HBK : **1/2 - No one to bump, both have laughable offense, the chemistry won't be there, the only thing saving this will be the crowd... and they might be dead before this match even occurs. I'd give it lower, but there is a small chance it might be good. HHH vs. Nash - *1/2 - Good lord this will be all smoke and mirrors and it will _appear to be_ "better than you think" but in reality, it isn't. That's just overbooking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Polish_Rifle Report post Posted June 12, 2003 From best to worst: Jericho – Goldberg Christian – Booker T Flair – HBK HHH – Nash RVD/Kane – Frenchies Test – Steiner Dudleys – Mack/Harvard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest the pinjockey Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Now the real question. If Jericho manages to pull a good-very good match out of Goldberg, do they give him his due or do they just say Goldberg is becoming a good worker and that he adapted to the WWE style very quickly? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Will Scarlet Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Dudleyz vs. Nowinski/Mack - ** - I have a feeling this match will end up being decent, but not much more. Besides, if it has Teddy on commentary, then it should at least be somewhat entertaing, at least in my book. Assuming they add Ivory v. Jazz - Somewhere between *1/2 - **1/2, depending on how much time they give it. La Resistance vs. RVD/Kane - I agree with everyone else who says *1/2 Christian vs. Booker T - *** I think they will actually end up delivering on this match somewhat. Steiner vs. Test - DUD. I have no faith in this match at all. Chris Jericho vs. Goldberg - **1/2. Jericho will find some way to carry this to a decent matchup. Ric Flair vs. HBK - ***. This match should get a lot of time, but I just don't see it clicking too much. HHH vs. Nash - 1/2* - This match will probably be a disaster on many levels. I wonder if they put Mick as referee in hopes that the crowds won't leave early. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BifEverchad Report post Posted June 12, 2003 The First EVER RAW ONLY PPV and.... Rodney Mack makes it to the big program! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Garth 0 Report post Posted June 12, 2003 The First EVER RAW ONLY PPV and.... Rodney Mack makes it to the big program! I mark for the Mack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Rodney Mack & Nowinski on the PPV, but Helms is nowhere to be seen. ::sigh:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Christian vs. Booker T - **1/2 Chris Jericho vs. Goldberg - ** HHH vs. Nash - **1/2 There is no way that HHH/Nash will be as good as Christian/Booker, let alone better than Jericho/Goldberg. Regardless if Foley bumps or not, it's still HHH Vs. Kevin Nash. Truthfully, I think that HBK/Flair will disappoint and Jericho/Goldberg will surprise some people. We'll see Sunday I guess. I pretty much agree with RRR on the match ratings... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Now the real question. If Jericho manages to pull a good-very good match out of Goldberg, do they give him his due or do they just say Goldberg is becoming a good worker and that he adapted to the WWE style very quickly? If they're honest, both. Goldberg's been getting more used to WWE now, and has been better booked recently. But Jericho will make him look great. As far as the main event goes, it's Hell in a Cell. It covers up for the lack of wrestling skill from Nash and reduced skill of HHH(come on, at least he can do an indian deathlock. More than Nash.) HHH is gonna blade big time to put his buddy over, Foley will bump big time to put them both over. My prediction...if anyone goes on top of the cell, it means Foley is going for a ride. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted June 12, 2003 I hope that they stay in the damn cage like Brock & Taker did. The point of the cage is so that no one can run away. If every cage match involves just leaving the damn thing, what's the point of the match? I don't want to watch Foley bump either. Maybe take a Pedigree... He shouldn't still be taking chair shots or dives though. I also pray that HHH keeps the title. Man, I really don't want to sit through another Kevin Nash title reign. I also pray that the "pie-eating contest" doesn't mean Eric will be "involved" with Mae & Moolah... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Dudleyz vs. Nowinski/Mack - * 3/4. Honestly, I still mark out for the Dudleyz but their characters are a little dry to say the least. Nowinski/Mack are a horrible team with two green wrestlers that make no sense to team with each other. La Resistance vs. RVD/Kane - ** RVD needs to be pushed above the tag team roster and Kane should be build up to be the monster that he once was. La Resistance is totally a dissappointment. If they get the straps at Bad Blood it would be the classic case of too much, too soon. And plus both men have been less than impressive in every match they fought so far. Christian vs. Booker T - ***. Two guys that I find to be very entertaining and both can work good matches. My only worry about this one is that they won't be given much time. If given the proper amount of time (at least 12 minutes) they could easily pull three stars. Steiner vs. Test - *. Yes, Steiner has been improving as of late. But keep in mind that he was so bad before that isn't saying much. I think that this would probably one of the biggest if not THE biggest stinker of the night. Stone Cold vs. Eric Bischoff - I won't give this stars because as far as I see it this isn't a match, and is just a stupid comedy skit. If it was up to me, shit like this would not be on a PPV that fans pay $40 bucks a pop to watch. Chris Jericho vs. Goldberg - **1/2. I would have given this less if it would have been anybody else but Jericho but he is so damn good it is hard for him to have bad matches. Also I would also be a little bit more interested in this if Goldberg wasn't pretty much guaranteed a victory in this one. Ric Flair vs. HBK - ****. This will either be hit or miss. Either both men will work like we have gotten used to them doing for years, or they will totally bomb and the match will suck. Personally for me though this has always been a dream match and I will stay optimistic about it. HHH vs. Nash - *, FOLEY IS GOD, but not even he could save this one from crashing and burning. If MICK takes a sick bump then I'll give him *****, but Nash and HHH still get *. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted June 12, 2003 (edited) RVD & Kane vs. La Resistance (1/4* or *1/2) This is dependent on the booking. *1/2 for an actual match, 1/4* if it ends up being RVD in a handicap match which I get the feeling might happen. La Resistance should be nowhere near these titles, but RAW's tag division is pathetic. Christian vs. Booker T (***) The best match on the card among actual wrestlers. I expect Christian to tone down the restholds, and Booker should have his A game with him. The most energetic match on the card at the very least. Scott Steiner vs. Test (1/2*) This match can reach a maximum of about *, but drops rapidly in quality if these guys aren't given too much time. 10 minutes probably reaches DUD, more than that is in the negatives. I expect something in the 6-7 minute range which should be about 1/2*. Steve Austin vs. Eric Bischoff (No Rating, Not a Match) This would be entertaining on a RAW, but will just piss me off when I have to pay for it (Theoretically, since I won't be ordering this show anyways). Chris Jericho vs. Bill Goldberg (**) This is Jericho's usual rating when dealing with slugs, and Goldberg is certainly in that category. Shawn Michaels vs. Ric Flair (***1/4) I may be really overrating this, but I get the feeling these two will put on a show. They are both too old/crippled to do much better than that (HBK topped out at about **** at Mania with Jericho carrying him, and Flair hasn't hit that in years) but I am expecting this to be pretty good. HHH vs. Kevin Nash (-****) This has a chance to go for the whole bang, but I will err on the side of caution. Foley can't make any difference to a match that could end up being the worst World Championship main event in WWF history. Edited June 12, 2003 by Kahran Ramsus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Flair - Michaels should be good and Jericho - Goldberg will be entertaining. The main-event will be poor and the tag matches will be bland too, but I don't think it's going to be the horrible event that many of you are trying to make it out it will be. Love and Mercy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Steiner vs. Test - *. Test frequently delivers on big matches Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted June 12, 2003 LOL! Test has had two or three matches that I would say that I enjoyed. Of course, that was back when his running big boot wasn't his finisher and he still hit a Pump-Handle Slam, Savage Elbow & Diving Powerbomb in every match. He just doesn't have all the tools. I think the Badd Blood match could possibly get up to ** though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 12, 2003 I think the Badd Blood match could possibly get up to ** though... You can't add the length of Stacy's legs to the match total. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Flair - Michaels should be good and Jericho - Goldberg will be entertaining. If Goldberg wins in any shape or form that doesn't lead to Jericho beating him up and sending him out on a stretcher, it won't be entertaining. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted June 12, 2003 I think the Badd Blood match could possibly get up to ** though... You can't add the length of Stacy's legs to the match total. I'm adding Stacy's ass to the match rating... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest undisputedjericho Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Kevin Nash vs. HHH: ****7/8 Flair vs. Michaels: **1/2 Grenier/Dupris vs. RVD/Kane: ***1/2 Stiener vs. Test: * Mack/Nowinski vs. Dudz: * Goldie vs. Jericho: ** Christian vs. The Book: *** Austin vs. Bischoff: ***1/2 for hilarity factor For whatever reason, Kevin Nash actually brought me back to wrestling. I hadn't watched since HHH got the belt for free until Judgment Day, and it just roped me in again. He was always a favorite of mine, so it just happened. Also, the Frenchies team is my new favorite as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Kevin Nash vs. HHH: 4 Blown Quads--er, -** Flair vs. Michaels: **1/2 at best. I saw the Mania match Michaels had with Jericho. Good but overrated. Michaels is very limited these days, and his top rope dives are pitiful. Flair is chop, chop, bump. Won't suck, but too little too late considering they could have easily had a classic 6 years ago. La Res vs. RVD/Kane: The Frenchies are as green as the dope in RVD's dime bag. RVD can't carry. Kane is Kane and still sucks. Kane finally turns about 2 months too late and the titles go Team Angle Minus Talent. Steiner vs. Test: Reeks of Dudness. This will be a contest to see who can stink up the ring worse. Steiner can't sell, Test sells like RVD. Steiner blows up easily on offense, Test's offense sucks. Stacy will have to shake her ass all throughout the match to make anyone care. Mack/Nowinski vs. Dudz: Why is this on here? *1/2 Goldie vs. Jericho: **, thanks to Jerky. Christian vs. The Book: **1/2 tops. Christian still isn't a good worker, folks. The skits leading up to this, if they do them, will be more entertaining I suspect than the match. Considering what could have been done, it's a good card, but not "good" as in 35 bucks worth. I'll pass, per usual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 12, 2003 "This will either be hit or miss." - Dynamite1980 on Flair vs. Michaels This sums it up well. I hope the match bombs, but not because of my usually "die WWE die" mentality, I just really don't like Flair and HBK marks The way I see it, La Rez will win and drop the straps quickly to Nash and HBK (Maybe a 3-4 week reign - then it's 2DWA's stinkin up the place... probably against Jericho/Christian). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheHulkster Report post Posted June 12, 2003 The Dudleys Vs Nowinski/Mack- It's not too often that the Duds have a match that makes me sit back and say "Wow, that really sucked." I've seen them get decent matches from lesser teams. It should be alright. La Resistance vs. RVD/Kane - This match, on the other hand, will be awful. La Resistance really aren't ready for a big program. Kane and RVD have their limitations as well. Christian vs. Booker T - Booker T works hard, but I still think that Christian's strength's are in tag team wrestling. It should be decent, but i'm not expecting an epic contest. Steiner vs. Test - Test's limitations in ring psychology and the fact that Stenier is basically a broken down wrestler collecting a paycheck untill he can't walk anymore don't really make this match all that appealing. If it's overbooked, it could be fun. Chris Jericho vs. Goldberg - Jericho rarely has bad matches these days. Goldberg isn't the most adept wrestler in the world, but he brings a good deal of intensity. There is a good chance that this could be Warrior-Savage-esque and suprisingly watchable. Look what freaking DDP got out of Goldberg. Jericho >>>>>>>DDP. Ric Flair vs. HBK - Say what you will about Shawn Michaels, but like it or not, the guy still has it. I remember before SummerSlam last year, many people said that HBK Vs Hunter would flat out suck, but damn if it wasn't around ****. Flair, right now in his mid-50's, can still work circles around 80% of the Raw roster. I can't see this match sucking. Both guys still bring that intangible that made them the legends that they are in pro wrestling into each match that they are in and seem too proud to disappoint the fans. HHH vs. Nash - I hear that the Insurrection street fight between these two was decent. Say what you will about Triple H, but you can't deny that the man works hard. With the cage throw in the mix, there is a good chance that this could be decent-great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 12, 2003 DDP vs. Goldberg was under a different setting than Jericho/Goldberg. It was built up like a prize fight and the announcing was much better than what JR/King could offer. Plus, DDP is notorious for mapping out all of his matches before hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 12, 2003 Which is not to say that I don't think Jericho could do it, I'm just saying don't shrug off the carry job DDP did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted June 12, 2003 DDP RULES ALL NON - WRESTLING FREAKS~ The man has my respect. Love and Mercy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites