Reason why Triple H/Goldberg match was delayed

[B. Brian Brunzell 0]

Wow. Goldberg isn't over yet HHH and Nash are? That wacky WWF logic.

[Guest Downhome]

Blah blah blah, ratings, blah blah blah, buyrates, blah blah blah, who gives a fuck?

 

You can not simply look on paper (or on a message board or in an article) and see the ratings or buyrates, and be able to tell who is a worthwhile draw or not. I could list countless PPVs right now where some pretty fucking bad PPVs did pretty good, while some pretty good PPVs did pretty fucking bad, and sometimes it has nothing to do with who is on the card.

 

You could have the biggest dream match of all time, have it be on the card, have the match be the greatest thing to have ever been witnessed inside of a Pro. Wrestling ring, but if you don't promote said match, if you don't make it SEEM like it's the biggest and most important dream match of all time angle wise, then it will not draw as well as it should.

 

On the other hand, you can take two fucks who are talentless hacks, hardly any skill at all and put it on a card, and if you promote it, make it seem very climatic and important, it can really sell PPVs and bring in some money.

 

The Pro. Wrestling industry is all about promotion, if you do it the right way you can sell just about ANYTHING or ANYONE to the fans, if it's done the ring way and if the angle is interesting.

 

Looking at just "numbers" is useless, unless all you care about is numbers. You have to look at what CAUSED those numbers, why something was so high or so low, and everything else.

 

It's easy to just look at past and present PPVs and TV show, see the numbers, and write off whoever is or is not on that card as being the sole purpose of what drew those numbers. It's all pointless though, and a huge mute point, unless you get down to the nitty gritty and really look at the big picture.

 

Just for the record, TV ratings make tons of money for WWE to, it's just as (if not more) important for WWE. Not only because it brings in money (yes, obviously PPV buyrates bring in more cash), but also because the TV ratings, well, what happens on those shows is what lead people to order a PPV...or not.

 

Think of the big picture, that's all.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

And as we can tell by them advertising bad blood with HHH vs. Goldberg - the WWE sucks at promotion.

[Guest Downhome]

And as we can tell by them advertising bad blood with HHH vs. Goldberg - the WWE sucks at promotion.

Don't even get me started on that, I might even go off here.

 

Things like that, they are TOTALLY unacceptable.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

It's funny, cause they've been batting 0 - 3 in the last few ppvs.

 

Backlash - Kurt Angle advertised (Angle out with injury)

 

Judgement Day - Booker T advertised (Booker T in battle royale)

 

Bad Blood - well, you know.

 

But I'll tell you this, I'd rather have them than those crappy comedy commercials.

[JasonX 0]

Oh yeah "officials" were afraid GOLDBERG would drag down HHH. Sure. Goldberg being over isn't the problem, HHH wanting another month before he jobs to someone he's not in an intimate relationship with is.

 

 

Fuck HHH.

Or the more logical reason: by delaying the match two months, it buys HHH time in which Golberg can self-destruct and become persona non grata in the company which gives him leverage to use to escape jobbing to Golberg...

[Guest INXS]

Can someone please explain how ratings make TV shows money? I always wondered that.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Ad revenue, and builds up ppvs/house shows.

[Guest Downhome]

Ad revenue, and builds up ppvs/house shows.

You are smarter than I thought you were.

 

Most people think the ratings are TOTALLY pointless in terms of making money, at least that's what it seems like to me.

[Guest Downhome]

It's funny, cause they've been batting 0 - 3 in the last few ppvs.

 

Backlash - Kurt Angle advertised (Angle out with injury)

 

Judgement Day - Booker T advertised (Booker T in battle royale)

 

Bad Blood - well, you know.

 

But I'll tell you this, I'd rather have them than those crappy comedy commercials.

Wow, I didn't even realize that. Like I said, there is NO excuse for this type of bullshit, all it does is piss fans off and they do NOT need to do that. I don't understand why they don't understand that.

 

What "comedy" commercials?

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I think the bigger problem here is that Goldberg doesn't work house shows - so the HHH/Goldie Summer-run will be on TV only. Nash at least works house shows - stinks up the show- but works house shows nonetheless. Fuck PPV's, fuck Ratings - House Shows need the most attention.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

The generic Comedy Commercials (Trish Stratus: the Icecream Lady, The Halloween ones, the baseball one)

[Guest Downhome]

I think the bigger problem here is that Goldberg doesn't work house shows - so the HHH/Goldie Summer-run will be on TV only. Nash at least works house shows - stinks up the show- but works house shows nonetheless. Fuck PPV's, fuck Ratings - House Shows need the most attention.

Hey, I'm the biggest Goldberg fan here, but I'll be the first to tell you that he should NOT ever ever get the World Title as long as he refuses to work House Shows. Those shows are very important in many different ways, and without the World Champ on the card, it just looks bad.

 

Hell, I don't think Goldberg should get the World Title anytime soon, not even on SummerSlam. He's obviously not ready for it, but I feel he will be later this year or by Royal Rumble.

[Guest Downhome]

The generic Comedy Commercials (Trish Stratus: the Icecream Lady, The Halloween ones, the baseball one)

God, I couldn't agree more. I do however like the crazy Royal Rumble commercials, lol. Those are the only "comedic" WWE things like that for PPVs that I have ever liked.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Nah, I'd say by the first Raw PPV after Summerslam - any longer and Goldie will be exposed.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I just don't see the point of them other than "grabbing attention" - because it doesn't 'sell' the show at all. And it's rather stupid because the only people who may buy the ppv already knows when it will be - so there is no need to grab attention. What they need to do is sell a match with them (like Goldberg vs. HHH) and stick with it.

[Guest RugbyDiva]

It's all a conspiracy people... I'm telling you.

*gawks at HHH poster on wall*

 

yeah...

[Guest Downhome]

Nah, I'd say by the first Raw PPV after Summerslam - any longer and Goldie will be exposed.

I dunno, I don't even look at Goldberg as strong enough to be in a program with HHH or the such right now. Ask me again in a month though, maybe my opinion will have changed.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I'd say have one more feud after Jericho, then on to HHH.

[Guest Downhome]

I'd say have one more feud after Jericho, then on to HHH.

That's my first thought also, but the difference is the timing. I want the Jericho/Goldberg feud to be extended, because their feud COULD be something special, yet up to this point, they've done a really bad job. I'd like to see a weird finish tomorrow night, and then REALLY kick off their feud. They can then have a match at the next PPV to finish that up, Goldberg moves on to something else, and after whatever that would be, then the World Title.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

The Jericho/Goldberg doesn't have the proper base to extend it. Goldbergs "quest" is to spear Jericho, and he will at Judgement day - then the quest is over. They could have him spear Jericho, but lose, thus starting up a new quest - but that would hurt Goldberg _a lot_ and just wouldn't be believable because Jericho is worthless as a wrestler. I see this being extended for about 2 or 3 weeks until they cross into HHH/Nash and then break off into their own separate programs.

[Guest teke184]

Know why Goldberg-Trips was pushed back? Trips probably pushed it back so that he could either get out of the match or not have to job the title.

 

According to the newest WO Newsletter, Goldberg is regarded within the company as a huge disappointment. The plans of him facing Trips are still on but the guarantee of a title win is no longer there.

 

Oh, BTW, the segment that Goldberg had changed the other night would have seen Jericho "break" Goldberg's hand and then Goldberg would have followed the doctor's advice and left, thus pussing himself out. It's thought to be a punishment for Goldberg's bitching about InsurreXion amongst other things. (The booking of InsurreXion changed wildly over the course of a few days. One plan was for Goldberg to be in a match, which they cancelled and told him he wasn't going to the UK. About three booking plans later, they decided that they wanted him on the show after all but he was pissed that they were asking him on short notice after telling him he wasn't going. Steiner ended up taking his place.)

[Guest Downhome]

The Jericho/Goldberg doesn't have the proper base to extend it. Goldbergs "quest" is to spear Jericho, and he will at Judgement day - then the quest is over. They could have him spear Jericho, but lose, thus starting up a new quest - but that would hurt Goldberg _a lot_ and just wouldn't be believable because Jericho is worthless as a wrestler. I see this being extended for about 2 or 3 weeks until they cross into HHH/Nash and then break off into their own separate programs.

Unless durring the match a new "goal" is set for each guy. I'd have both guys really go at it, without Goldberg dominating completely. I'd have Jericho play the typical heelish role that he does so well, and have the hatred that both guy feels for one another just shine through. I'd have it get so out of control that it ends in a double DQ or something like that, maybe leading to a crazy No DQ match at SummerSlam or something. Have the NEW goal be that of both guy finally wanting to defeat the other, to prove theirself so to speak.

 

It just doesn't feel right to me to end it right now, I can't explain it, but I just feel it could be huge.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

But we all know Goldberg can beat Jericho - EVERYBODY can beat Jericho.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

So the WWE is blaming Goldberg for his lack of success?

 

That's hilarious. Cause, it's not like the WWE to fuck up a sure-thing, oh no.

[Guest teke184]

So the WWE is blaming Goldberg for his lack of success?

 

That's hilarious. Cause, it's not like the WWE to fuck up a sure-thing, oh no.

Meltzer's quote on the subject was "WWE creative is now officially worse than WCW."

[Guest NoSelfWorth]

So the WWE is blaming Goldberg for his lack of success?

 

That's hilarious.  Cause, it's not like the WWE to fuck up a sure-thing, oh no.

Meltzer's quote on the subject was "WWE creative is now officially worse than WCW."

Which is true. WCW didn't screw Goldberg up after three weeks. They also did the invasion angle correctly, at least in the beginning.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

"WHOOO HOOO! It's OFFICIAL!"

 

... I've been waiting for that declaration for 2 years.

Edited June 15, 2003 by RavishingRickRudo

[Adam 0]

*Throws Streamers, starts a party*

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

*"Any way you want it" by Journey plays*