Texas sodomy ruling likely to ruffle feathers

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

That's very telling, to me.

 

You wouldn't go as far as saying homosexual behavior is evolutionary deficient?

[Guest JMA]

One theory (not saying I agree) states that it stops overpopulation in a species.

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

That's a strong argument.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Does it really make any sense... to create countless creatures which can and do freely indulge in [homosexuality] and then proclaim that for ONE species and ONE species alone that behaviour is verboten? Or do the gulls get to burn in hell for all eternity as well? Squawk squawk squawk!

You don't see the dodo around anymore do you. Know why?

 

God hates dodos...

[Firestarter 0]

That's very telling, to me.

Then you're misinterpreting what I said.

 

You wouldn't go as far as saying homosexual behavior is evolutionary deficient?

There's absolutely no evidence of any genetic cause for homosexual behaviour. I think it's entirely behavioural, but that isn't substantiated by any concrete evidence either. If you're trying to make a case for homosexuality being "scientifically unnatural," as SpiderPoet would have it, you're barking up the wrong tree. Homosexuality in animals is practically omnipresent, and neither the fact of evolution nor the theory of natural selection has anything to say about wrong or right. Science in general has nothing to say about wrong or right. There are only traits which make reproduction more likely or less likely. Homosexual behaviour does neither. Exclusively homosexual behaviour makes reproduction less likely, but that does not exist across any species; if it did, the species would cease to exist. And if exclusively homosexual behaviour were a genetic trait, or even a tendency, I would expect that tendency to diminish over time. However, simple observation proves that that has not occurred. Sorry to disappoint you, but sinners like me have always been around, and we'll probably be around for as long as life exists.

[Guest Brian]

The evolutionary advantage is that you don't over-produce, and thus reach equilibrium. It's birth control, and in cultures where homosexuality is generally present and accepted, you'll see that there'll be other factors in line indicating that population control is at hand. Bestiation, masturbation, blow jobs, whatever way you can get your carrot waxed without having another mouth to feed.

[Firestarter 0]

What a reeking pile of ignorant muddle-headed bullshit. Your inane hypothesis assumes that evolution is somehow directed; individual genes in individual organisms have NO concept of population stasis, replacement rates, or ecological equilibrium. Culture has nothing to do with evolution either. Homosexuality is not an "evolutionary advantage." It has nothing to do with evolution. The vast majority of animals which exhibit homosexual behaviour mate normally with the opposite sex; exclusive homosexuality is relatively rare, though not unknown by any means. Still, explaining away homosexual behaviour as an evolutionary means of population control is just as idiotic as assigning an awareness of metagroup interaction and population statistics to a genetic code. Kindly keep God out of science, and don't make assertions about evolution if you don't have the faintest clue what the hell you're talking about.

[Guest Brian]

Not evolutionary, my bad. But I still think it's got a good degree of population control.

[Firestarter 0]

...

 

I find it depressing that you won't argue with me.

[Guest Brian]

I was wrong, and I didn't mean it in that way. It's a cultural trait.

 

But it's a good point with animals. And since animals can't make a choice, then they fuck to fuck.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Maybe things fuck because it feels good.

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

If you're trying to make a case for homosexuality being "scientifically unnatural," as SpiderPoet would have it, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Don't worry. I won't be talking about "spiritual warfare" any time soon.

 

Sorry to disappoint you, but sinners like me have always been around, and we'll probably be around for as long as life exists.

I may not agree with you, but I'm pretty sure you won't be burning for eternity because you loved someone.

 

I seriously wanted to get a real discussion going.

[Firestarter 0]

Okay, I'm still up for it. What's the issue at hand?

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

Well, the only other thing I would offer (completely off of science) is that, as humans, we have the ability to reason and control our urges. We can recognize the dual purpose of sex, and fulfill that. In terms of "doing wrong", I think only fulfilling half that purpose is closer to drinking too much than murder, as it is currently perceived.

[Firestarter 0]

Well, hold on. What's the "dual purpose of sex?" If you're only counting reproduction and the expression of love, you're missing pleasure. There are at least three quasibiological imperatives. There are also countless psychological motivations, such as rebellion, identity establishment, self-affirmation, peer pressure, acculturation, and so on.

[Guest Brian]

What is love?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

University of Chicago links homosexuality with brain metabolism (thank you, Google News search) though you could doubt their findings since they used such a small selection of people to analyze with.

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

Well, hold on. What's the "dual purpose of sex?" If you're only counting reproduction and the expression of love, you're missing pleasure. There are at least three quasibiological imperatives. There are also countless psychological motivations, such as rebellion, identity establishment, self-affirmation, peer pressure, acculturation, and so on.

To me, most psychological motivations are merely excuses. But you are right about the other imperatives. Also, I think my attitudes about sex, and in particular contraception, cannot be reconciled with not tolerating homosexual behavior.

 

It would definitely be don't ask, don't tell (too bad TheGame was banned) but you may have yourself a new supporter. Shhhh...

 

After all, if God didn't want my seed wasted, He wouldn't allow nocturnal emissions and the Church wouldn't be teaching that highly effective rhythm method.

[Slayer 0]

What is love?

Baby don't hurt me

Don't hurt me

No more

 

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